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The Man said:
Uh, not much more? A 15 GB iPOD costs £ 248.99, so the difference between this and the mini is £69.99. In the Netherlands the difference is 80 Euro between the mini and the regular white iPod. Now I don't think that these prices can ever be considered "for not much more". And even if it's not much, because, hey, you are loaded with money, I think colour and form factor do, in fact, matter.

I agree - form factor most certainly does matter, for me at least. I have way too much music for any current iPod capacity, and even a mythological 60GB version would be pushing it for me. It's a never-ending battle that I've accepted defeat on - I'll never be able to have absolutely all of my music with me in my pocket. That's why I've cracked and ordered a green iPod mini as a cross-grade to my 1st gen. 10GB iPod (which has been fantastic since I got my sweaty palms on it 2 years ago; battery still going strong). The minis really are tiny (I know as I've already got a blue one that I kindly donated to my girlfriend), and that has swung it for me...

...plus the fact that I've landed a £30 discount, heh.
 
I've been calling around looking for a silver mini and the replies I'm getting is that they ARE getting shipments but they don't know when the shipments are coming. Some stores I've called have certain colors in stock, just not the color I'm looking for. Bloody hell.[/QUOTE]

I couldnt wait for anyone to help me choose between blue or silver. I have just ordered silver from the UK store with a two week build date :D Also ordered the dock.

Scot
 
ScotRobson said:
I couldnt wait for anyone to help me choose between blue or silver. I have just ordered silver from the UK store with a two week build date :D Also ordered the dock.

Scot

I faced a similar deliberation. I ruled out silver cos I felt it was too boring (no offence!) and would be more common. Blue I can't have as my girlfriend's is that colour, pink ditto my little sister, and gold I just don't fancy cos I ain't a bling bling type of guy. Rosso red and white would have been ideal (to match my motorbike and Dainese jacket) - but you can't have that!

A colleague at work had been asking me for info on availability of the minis for a while now - he cracked and actually bought an iRiver instead last week. I now find out he's having to transcode all his AAC files in iTunes as it doesn't support them... jeez!
 
CrackedButter said:
Maybe because Apple is America America America orientated, they don't realise that America isn't the only world on this planet.
No the must not... since they only sell about half of their products in markets outside of America (the United States of)... they must not realize anything else exists. :rolleyes:
 
This is great news that the iPod mini is available World wide. The sales should also stimulate iTunes Music Store sales. The music side is becoming a big market for Apple.
 
Really Simple

CrackedButter said:
Maybe because Apple is America America America orientated, they don't realise that America isn't the only world on this planet.

No, there is no America-centered bias at Apple or any any company. Apple is more concerned with the American market for the same reason most companies are: massive sales potential. Apple can use one campaign, in one language, to market to 400 million people. Many of whom can afford their products.

These are the same reasons that the Japanese market is usually number two on the agenda. Large, affluent population, one language and set of rules to deal with.

India has a billion people but very few are in the middle class. Ditto China.

Europe has lots of affluent citizens but the marketing is much more complicated with multiple languages, laws, etc.

Maybe, after adopting the Euro across the continent, Europeans might consider adopting English as the official language. France would love that!:)
 
dongmin said:
I've been calling around looking for a silver mini and the replies I'm getting is that they ARE getting shipments but they don't know when the shipments are coming. Some stores I've called have certain colors in stock, just not the color I'm looking for. Bloody hell.

Have you tried Best Buy? All the Best Buys around me have multiple minis in stock (all silver) and have had them for the past 3 weeks or so.
 
CrackedButter said:
Maybe because Apple is America America America orientated, they don't realise that America isn't the only world on this planet.

mhouse sums it up pretty nicely. I'm going to sum it up not so nicely ;)
I'm pretty sick and tired of other countries spouting the "America companies and specifically Apple hates us and is out to screw us" chatter. Like a bunch of little girls. WHY, oh WHY would it make sense for a corporation, out to make money, to DELAY a product to another country? For kicks and giggles?
Someone else said something about the whole Hiatchi keeping up with production being a lie. Why must that be a lie? What are some good reasons for Apple hating the rest of the world?

If you don't like dealing with international corporations/taxes/laws than I suggest you buy local crafts from the man down the street.
Gah!!!!!
[/rant]

Anyhoo... I personally think that it's great Apple thinks they can start supporting the demand of the European market. I just hope that they can keep supply up.

And who said that because of Apples strict negotiations that Hiatchi must have Apple low on the priority list... Please enlighten me about who else Hiatchi is selling so many 1" dives to. I could be mistaken, but I would think Apple is one, if not THE largest buyer of their drives right now...

Tyler
 
The Man said:
Uh, not much more? A 15 GB iPOD costs £ 248.99, so the difference between this and the mini is £69.99. In the Netherlands the difference is 80 Euro between the mini and the regular white iPod. Now I don't think that these prices can ever be considered "for not much more". And even if it's not much, because, hey, you are loaded with money, I think colour and form factor do, in fact, matter.

I can only say that the price in Pounds is high, but the price in Euro is just about right, considering the "alternatives" which are usually priced way higher than the mini.



how shallow, there are much more factors than colour tbh, how about battery life? sound quality? for your money the white earphones stink. having seen a mini, the size difference doesn't really add up to me, its about <0.5" smaller either side and about the same thickness. duh??!

for under that price you can get a 20gb Zen, i know the navigation is pants, but these things sound awesome and the battery lasts like 20hours on one recharge....

and no.... £70 isn't a lot to me, if im spending that much money, i would spend the little extra and get more value for my money. Please do not bring individuals finance situations into this, it wasn't a flame, so calm down
 
Yay!

Ordered mine today, in an attempt to get in before the rush. I've got a silver one coming, along with a dock thingy.
 
15GB iPod price not changed

Hello all. Long time reader, first time poster (and what a long post, too).

First, a bit of history just so you can understand my point of view (if you care to read. If not, skip to the next post).

I grew up with computers. I've lived through the TI-99, Coco/C64/Apple II GS, Atari ST / Amiga / Apple / IBM PC XT, 286/386/486/Pentium/etc phases (didn't have all those however, but knew some people who had some of these).

Personally I've been through Coco2+tape, XT8, 286/12, 286/20, 486 SX/33, 486 DX2/66, and some others (too many to remember, but mostly Celerons).

I'm now on an Athlon XP 2600+ with 512MB DDR with Radeon 9600XT (and WinXP just so I can use iTunes and my 10GB iPod). And to be honest, this Athlon doesn't really feel that much more powerful than my previous Celeron 700 system. I mean, shouldn't it feel about at *least* 3 times more faster?

But it doesn't. It just feels "somewhat faster". And no it's not XP slowing me down, I'm running in "Windows classic" mode with all the (crappy) eye-candy turned off.

So basically, yes, the speed race is over. The only real things that require computing speed are science projects (weather simulation, protein folding, SETI@home, etc), businesses (servers, number-crunching, etc) and games.

Now, before you start flaming me for the next few paragraphs, just read the entire post - thanks.

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I really hated Apple.

Stupid operating system that couldn't even take care of system memory ("what do you mean, you didn't allocated enough memory for Photoshop? Isn't the computer supposed to do that for you?")

Stupid computer with proprietary connectors ("what the hell is ADB? Can't they use industry-standard connectors? Why do you need to buy a special Apple-only printer?").

Stupid everything. Having a Mac meant you were confined to your own little Apple world. Even the Amiga was more open than that.

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But now, enter OS X.

Enter a company that is not only pushing industry standards, but dropping their own proprietary ones when the other can work just as well (ADC vs DVI). AAC format for audio (with is MPEG-4 audio developped by Dolby, as I understand it).

Enter a company that has completely ditched its own operating system and built a new one based on industry standard Unix (BSD).

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Apple has changed.

I've been following Steve's speeches for the last 2-3 years, and the last one just blew me away. System-wide searches (Spotlight) and complete hardware utilization (Core Image and Core Video) is getting me excited about computing once again.

The speed race is mostly over. The race is now the software. And Apple has so much of a head-start it's not even funny. Apple's philosophy is paying off. The computer is there to help us with our daily stuff. We're not here for the computer (This is what Linux zealots don't get either, and this is why Linux will always be a small % of desktop users, unless they change their ways. I wish them the best of luck on that, because Linux desktops eat away at Microsoft desktops, and this can only be a good thing).

I used to only use a file explorer and winamp. And carefully placed MP3's in their respective folders. And I was happy with that. It worked.

Then, Apple released iTunes for Windows. Alright, let's try this "great Apple software". Oh man, why does it play around with my music files and folders? How will I be able to find my music now? Oh, I see. The software helps me find my music. That's nice. But what about playlists? Oh, there they are. What the hell is a "smart playlist"? Oh, I see. Wow. Why wasn't that other music player that good?

After two weeks, I deleted WinAmp. After using it for years. I was starting to understand that "Mac philosophy" thing.

Well, it's a shame my Flash MP3 player isn't compatible with iTunes. Well I guess I'll drag'n drop my files manually then. Nice, iTunes does allow that. But wait, iTunes was so great (taking care of ripping, tagging, placing files on my HD) that I actually did rip all of my 50+ CDs for the first time. Ouch, those 2.5GB+ files don't fit onto my 256MB CF MP3 player... And won't fit on a single CD-R for my MP3 CD player either.

I sold my Flash and CD MP3 players on eBay. And bought a 10GB iPod a week after Apple dropped it in favor of the 15GB model. After all, I barely got 3GB of music, I only buy about 4-5 CDs a year and won't need more than 10GB for years to come. And I was able to get a 50$ discount on a brand new 10GB iPod because the store just couldn't sell me a 10GB for the price of the new 15GB.

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uv23 said:
2) Did anyone else notice that the 15 gig iPod has gone down in price? At least I think it has. There's a "new" label beside it and I thought it was more than $399CDN. I suspect the 20/40/60 gig line is imminent.

Nope, I bought my 10GB for 349$CDN when the 15GB was released, and the 15GB has always been 399$CDN (same price as the 10GB it replaced). So to answer your question, no, the 15GB didn't drop in price.

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And now, for the (yes, you guessed it) "headless Mac" rumors/hopes.

You know how Apple is always striving to break that "1000$ barrier"? Well, that barrier exists in other countries too. Canada, for exemple.

In the US Apple Store, the eMacs cost 799$ and 999$. That's fine and all, but it means that in the Canadian Apple Store they cost 1049$ and 1299$. So in the US, the superdrive model is indeed under 1$K, but in Canada even the combodrive model is above that 1$K barrier. To make matters worst, brand models *easily* break the 1$K barrier. I'm talking Dell, Compaq, HP.

For about 1000$CDN, I get a 1.25GHz G4 eMac, combo drive, 256MB DDR, Radeon 9200/32MB with a 17" CRT.

Or for 600$CDN (which is 40% less, we're not talking small change here) I get a Celeron 2.7GHz, 256MB DDR, 40GB HD, 48x CD-RW drive, and 17" CRT monitor. Of course, that Celeron system doesn't come with OS X (which, I know, is the main point of having a Mac), but let's set that aside for a moment.

If you can get a brand-name system for 600$CDN (all included), Apple should at *least* try to under-cut their own lowest-priced Apple system. Yes, I'm talking headless eMac.

No, I'm not talking about a new motherboard, I'm literally talking "headless eMac", as in a new case that can hold the current eMac motherboard/power supply/drives/hd/etc. A cheap 17" CRT costs about 150$CDN. I'm guessing Apple isn't using cheap CRTs in their eMac, so let's say *my* added cost for the CRT in the eMac price is 200$CDN.

It also means the eMac case costs more (to hold the CRT, maybe more heat-related heatsinks, etc), takes more place in inventory (so stores don't have that many in the backstore) and costs more to ship (the CRT being the heaviest part of the eMac).

Now, imagine that headless eMac. No CRT, smaller/lighter case, takes about 1/3 inventory space, costs 200$CDN less (about 125-150$US). And since it's for switchers who already have a CRT, they probably already also have a USB mouse and keyboard. Heck, they already have a HD and RAM too.

So here's my idea: a headless eMac, for do-it-yourself switchers only. No display, no RAM, no HD, no combo/superdrive, no mouse, no keyboard. Of course, Apple can (and should) limit what hardware is supported (especially for the CD drive), but a HD is a HD, RAM is RAM (as long as it's the required speed/type/etc), a USB mouse/keyboard is a USB mouse/keyboard.

Open up your HLS Mac (Head-Less Switcher Mac), open up your old PC. Switch your components (hence the "Switcher name is for both your computer and yourself)l, boot up and install OS X (I've read it only takes about 15 minutes to install OS X anyway).

Imagine the final price tag for a eMac without CRT (-200$CDN), without HD (-100$CDN), without keyboard and mouse (-70$CDN each, prices from to the Canadian Apple Store) and without RAM (let's say 50$CDN for 256MB DDR).

That would put the combodrive/superdrive HLS Macs to about 550$CDN/800$CDN, or about 400$US/600$US. Quite a price drop.

Yes, some people will tell me "you're an idiot, those other parts do costs something too", to which I reply "yes but the switchers already HAVE those parts - no point in buying something you already have. If you don't have those parts, buy the eMac. That's the whole point of a headless Mac (and no, don't tell me to buy an old G4 PowerMac, those systems are more expensive than the lowest-priced eMac!)"

Heck, some stores could even offer potential switchers to transfer their hardware from their PC to their HLS Mac.

The sad thing is, I know Apple would never do such a thing ("OMG the switcher's monitor/mouse/keyboard won't fit with our design!"). But for switchers, I still think it would be the best idea.

Unfortunatly, my best bet on that is to check eBay for a discounted G4 eMac with a non-working CRT and make that "case mod" myself. But even a non-working CRT weights a lot, so shipping costs would kill the discount anyway.

---

So here I am, waiting for the Paris Expo in september, to see the "next iMac" (hoping, like many, for a headless G5 Mac with an AGP slot or at least a PCI-whatever for those next-gen videocards).

If the next iMac isn't at least G5 (or dual G4?!), or is priced too high, then I'll have to decide between the combodrive eMac and the 12" iBook.

Thanks for reading.

P.S.: Anyone here on the World of Warcraft Beta with a G4/1.25Ghz eMac or a G4/1GHz 12" iBook? (Radeon 9200/32MB in both).
 
garybUK said:
at prices like that for only 4gb... im sorry but colour doesn't cover it up!! + the fact they have been fabricating some tale about lack of drives so they can sell to their primary market (the us)
Uh, OK.

You really have to see one of these in person to realize there really isn't any competition - there's simply nothing like it available. I have both a 2nd and 3rd gen iPod, and even these look huge and uncouth next to the mini. I don't plan to get a mini anytime soon, as the regular iPod serves my needs quite well. But, the Ipod mini on your belt/arm definitely turns heads. Hopefully the supply problems are fixed now.

--D
 
carletonmusic said:
It's a shame this doesn't apply to the iPod mini:

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Let's see, you have a product selling so well you can't fulfill orders for almost a month. Marketing 101 says don't offer a discount on it, make it attractive to move to other itmes so you can recognize the revenue today vs tomorrow.
 
At last, I was hoping we were not going to have to wait till the last day of July. I ordered one the minute the store went up at £164.50 for edu it was a fair bit cheaper than I thought it was going to be. I went for blue as I only really like blue and pink and I don't think I could quite pull off pink :rolleyes:

My next worry is if it's shipped on the 24th as it states and takes the maximum delivery time of 7days I will get it on the 31st. My lease runs out on the 31st :eek: just make sure it's on time Apple!

Edit: Time to change my sig I guess, although I think I will keep it until it's in my hands.
 
happyadam said:
....Firebox/HMV taking pre-orders at £199, I welcome the news from Apple. So much so, that I've bought one. I'm sure that there won't be much of a problem with demand at £179.


eggsfeckingzactly! HMV will be posting out about 125,980 "hey, here's a £20 giftvoucher.. we underestimated Apple's pricing for the iPod mini" letters to all the happy iPod mini pre-orderers. :D

my misses is going to get one ASAP :)

nice one apple :cool:
 
garybUK said:
how shallow, there are much more factors than colour tbh, how about battery life? sound quality? for your money the white earphones stink. having seen a mini, the size difference doesn't really add up to me, its about <0.5" smaller either side and about the same thickness. duh??!

for under that price you can get a 20gb Zen, i know the navigation is pants, but these things sound awesome and the battery lasts like 20hours on one recharge....

and no.... £70 isn't a lot to me, if im spending that much money, i would spend the little extra and get more value for my money. Please do not bring individuals finance situations into this, it wasn't a flame, so calm down

The catch is that I am not that familiar with the prices in the UK. My brother says that prices for some products are higher compared to Euro-land. The iPod mini price of €269 is not that high, compared to other products. Creative Zen is about € 330 - € 380 here. But I searched a bit on the web, and I see that the price of the same Zen is close to the price of the iPod mini in pounds. Okay, you got a point there. But for other countries in Europe, the prices of other comparable products are higher. I have already mentioned a few products in an earlier post.

And since when is buying stuff not about individual finance situations? Not everybody has the money to go over and spend a bit more, or some can but choose not to go over a certain price. Where does one draw the line when buying a product? You can always go up and up and eventually buy the best thing around - for a bit more. When it was time for me to buy a new notebook, I could have said: If I am spending that much money on a computer, I could just spend a couple of hundred euros more and get me a PowerBook instead of an iBook, but I didn't. I drew the line, even though I could get the finance together for a PowerBook.

I am certainly not saying that you don't have to consider price/quality/performance. I think iPod battery life stinks - should be closer to 10-12 hours, but I'm sure that Apple is working on that. Sound quality seems to be great, though. Those white earphones, that's up to personal preference; some like them, others don't - it depends on how they sit in your ears and what kind of sound you like. But in questioning the purchase of an iPod mini, price does matter, even if it is just £ 70 or € 80. Not for all, like you point out, but for some people out there. Hey, I'm certainly not saying that you shouldn't buy a Zen. I have nothing against that. :)
 
geeman said:
...but the real question is when are we getting the 60Gb iPod?? I need to upgrade my 20Gb 2G and have $$$ burning a hole in my pocket!!!

:) :) :)

Man, I have a 2G 20GB too and it's wearing out (headphone jack cracked) but buying a 60GB would mean I'd need to add an 80GB drive at a minimum to my powerbook to hold everything I need + my music. There is a point where I have to scream 'enough' on some of this.

EIther that or iTunes support 'near line' storage so I don't have to have everything loaded all the time
 
oh boy.

i adore my 20gb ipod... but i knew i'd be tempted when this day came, and tempted i am.


the price is not too bad actually considering most speculation put it at £199.

not wanting to be pessimistic really but i wonder if the delivery dates will change... for the worse... i don't want to get an email offering me a 15gb for the same price...
at least i can wait now i have a 20gb though :)
 
This is great news for everyone in other countries. I hope that Apple is planning on churing the Minis out at a faster rate now, or the waits are going to be even longer. I think there was a Reuters article a couple months ago about how the hard drive maker was going to double production of the hard drives, so maybe this is going to help.
 
Earendil said:
Here in the US we have taxes too you know, no sense comparing US non-tax prixes to UK prixes+tax.
$250 + Washington Sate sales tax of 7% = $267.5

If you don't like your tax system than perhaps try and shoot for a government overhaul ;)

Tyler
Earendil

Not only that, but prices in Euros for the SAME item differ from country to country even though the same currency is used. Although not related to this anyone care to enlighten us why?
 
CrackedButter said:
Maybe because Apple is America America America orientated, they don't realise that America isn't the only world on this planet.

Like every other American company... AMERICANS ARENT THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD!!!
 
yossele said:
What a rip-off
The UK price is in dollars:
$283 + Tax = $335
No way I will buy one.

Crikes, yeah. I hadn't noticed the US dollar collapsing again ... £1 is $1.85 now. Sheesh.

$283 isn't *that* bad considering, but that is another $34 on top of the price vs. the US version. Considering they aren't made in the US (AFAIK) either the price will rise in the US soon to account for their weakening dollar, or Apple are simply raping non-US customers as per usual (and this is the reason I don't have an Apple system at the moment).
 
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