iPod Software 2.0.1!!!

[Alexander]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
I have loads of ear-bud headphones, and without a doubt these are the best I have listened to:

Sony MDR-EX71SL

If you want better sound than those can provide you will need cans and you will be spending a lot more money, IMO.

AppleMatt

I take it you've never had the opportunity to listen to the Etymotic ER-4Ps? (Admittedly, they are about $270, but you get what you pay for ) I hear the new ER-6's are good too, and they're about half the price.

I find that level of outside noise suppression to be a little disconcerting; you simply can't hear if someone's talking to you, etc. The only public situation where I use them is on planes. Otherwise, I quite like the Apple earbuds, but I do have a big head.

Regarding the "updated backlight functionality" bit, a while ago, my backlight simply stopped working. I couldn't get it to come on in any way, and was convinced it was physically broken somehow. Since I was literally about a minute away from the Apple Store at the time, I popped over, but just as I got there, the guy was turning the lock in the door. Anyway, by the time they opened the next day, the backlight macgically started working again, and has ever since. So, maybe they fixed this relatively obscure bug?

Alex

 

[apgalbraith]

Originally posted by icetraxxg5
Kinda off topic, but, does anyone know a good pair of earbuds or lightweight headphones that will work well with the (3Gen) iPod? I lost my Apple earbuds today (not like they were that great)

I just bought a pair of Sennheiser PX100s to replace the iPod earbuds, and I love them - the sound quality is amazing from headphones as light and small as these. They also come with a cool carrying case. You can read more about them here:

http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=3&subTopicID=26&productID=0020080010

headphone.com is a great resource for headphone information. (standard disclaimer: just a satisfied customer, etc.). I bought some Grado SR60s there a few months ago - if you're looking for something a bit less portable with absolutely incredible sound, without spending huge amounts of money, check these out.

In terms of other lightweight headphones, I know some people who swear by the Koss PortaPros (also available from headphone.com), but I find them a bit muddy sounding.

Good to hear about the update - I'm downloading it as soon as I get home from work!

 

[WM.]

Originally posted by mkubal
This is so unbelievably absurd that this gen 3,2,1 iPod software situation is turning into some kind of class warefare. This may not be the case, but if you gen 3 guys read your posts you sound like a bunch of stuck up rich people who are talking down to the peons who have no right to request those things that you have.

I don't have an iPod. I know you weren't responding to me, but I just wanted to make that clear.

Please understand try to understand this and stop relating this to buying cars because it is in no way analagous to the iPod software situatuation

If you bought a powermac 6 moths ago (about how long ago i got my 10 gig) you would expect apple to continue updating software for it for atleast a couple years after your purchase if not longer. Realize that 10.2 even works on original iMacs despite their age.

If Apple only allowed 10.3 to work on new computers, but didn't allow it to work on older computers just because they didn't feel like writing the software despite the fact that the hardware would support it, you would all be pretty pissed I think.

Well, I think this analogy isn't quite as strong as you'd like. IMHO, it all comes down to expectations. When you buy a computer, you expect that you'll get OS updates for free for maybe a year, and upgrades for some fee for maybe the next five years (+/- a couple years).

On the other hand, when you buy a self-contained consumer electronics device, it's different. Whether it's an MP3 player or a wireless base station, I think the expectation is that you'll get firmware updates to fix bugs and perhaps ensure compliance with new standards, but not give you new functionality for free. Certainly, AFAIK, Creative isn't providing firmware updates for Nomads to give them new functionality.

And that's all we're really asking for. If it IS POSSIBLE with the old hardware they should eventually make the software for older iPods. Not right away. Let them use it as a selling point for right now. But I want it EVENTUALLY.

You all need to stop it with this snotty attitude. I don't know where it came from, but it makes you look childish. For christ sake listen to yourselves

(P.S. I will gouge my eyes out if one more person tries to relate this to buying a car. )

Damn, then I think I pushed you over the edge!

(P.S.S Ask yourself this question: Why do I want so badly for gen 1,2 iPod owners not to have the new software? Seriously)

You mean P.P.S., BTW. Anyway, it's not that I don't want them to have it, it's that they keep bitching and hijacking threads about bugfixes that I want to find out about. And it's that I don't think it's possible for them to have the new software. I may be proven wrong, but I doubt it.

WM

 

[WM.]

Originally posted by daveg

I also found this review/dissection of the new iPod. Of interest, from the sixth page of the review:

[stuff about how it should be possible to run 2.0 on old iPods]

But just look at the motherboards! Look how different they are! I think it's pretty obvious that the hardware underwent a radical redesign.

I've seen it mentioned that Apple outsourced the design of (parts of) the original iPod to another company, just as they did with the original ABS's, while the new ones are entirely in-house. Perhaps there are licensing/royalty/IP/whatever issues as well?

WM

 

[jxyama]

my $0.02... the ipod updater never showed up the system upgrader. so i'd suggest just going to the main apple site and download it. (then you get the annoying message that we should be using system upgrader next time! i think the same thing happened for safari..?)

anyway, about 2.0 on 1/2 G ipod... i think 3G owners are quite right in complaining about every ipod related threads being hijacked... i think the point was made and i hope something will be done for 1/2 G ipod users. it does seem not that hard for some of those functionality to be ported to 1/2 G ipods... but it's about time 1/2 G owners stick to the topic...

 

[Wombatronic]

Etymotics

Originally posted by Alexander
I take it you've never had the opportunity to listen to the Etymotic ER-4Ps? (Admittedly, they are about $270, but you get what you pay for ) I hear the new ER-6's are good too, and they're about half the price.
Alex

Most people probably don't want these. They are certainly not earbuds (they are "in canal" headphones; basically hearing aids with a line in

I have a pair of the ER-6s and while they do sound good:

1. They "rustle" if you move the wire around at all.
2. Your ears get sore after a while
3. It is a bother to pop them in and out.
4. You *will* get hit by a car if you walk around with them in.

Anyhow, good if you are looking for something for a flight/train, less good for jogging/strolling.

 

[jxyama]

forgot...

i think korean and both traditional and simplified chinese support were added in this update. before, i believe, only japanese was supported.

 

[mkubal]

WM.-

I understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't have even posted if I hadn't seen these same arguements against giving 2.0 to older iPod users. It's just that some of the things said aren't even in the realm of being semi-analogous to the situation.

I don't agree with hostile petitions and constant whining. I haven't read all of these iPod threads but I'm sure it gets horribly annoying. All I can say is that, in my opinion, if it is possible to make the new software I would like to have it at some point. If it's not possible, I'll live. If they just decide not to update it that's fine as well. It won't matter that much to me. I'll still use my iPod all the time. My life will move on.

I think what would solve all of these problems would be if Apple would simply exaplain what they intend to do. That is, wether or not they plan on making the software or if it is even possible for that matter. If they just said what their plans are, that would be the end of the thread hijacking for the most part.

You can't blame a person for wanting better software, but I guess you can blame them for being annoying.

Matt

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Re: older iPods

Originally posted by Ja Di ksw
Many people here are talking about how older iPod users should just deal with it, and have made references such as not getting a new free computer or car when those are upgraded. Those things aren't software. The older iPod users aren't saying they should get a free 30 gb iPod because they're 5 gb iPod is outdated. They just want the software. Considering both have the same number of buttons and a scrollwheel, I don't know why its so hard to do it, or why apple is just refusing to. Older iPod users still won't have the larger HD, touch sensitive scroll wheel, sleeker, lighter, smaller iPod, backlights on the keys, better backlight on the screen (?), etc, etc.

So, why won't apple do it, and why are the new iPod users all getting so mad?

Because, if Apple updates the old iPods then that'll take away software advantages of the new ones. My bet is that Apple wants all stock on the old iPods to clear out - and will wait for eBay selling and what not to die done on the old ones before they give them the new software features. Why? Because they want to entice people to buy the new ones. Once the old ones become harder to find on the open market (and I see them at Target and Best Buy still), they'll update. Apple likely feels a software update now would hinder sales of the new iPods. I think you'll get updated when the new iPods are further down the road. Maybe by Christmas.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Re: Re: older iPods

Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
Because, if Apple updates the old iPods then that'll take away software advantages of the new ones. My bet is that Apple wants all stock on the old iPods to clear out - and will wait for eBay selling and what not to die done on the old ones before they give them the new software features. Why? Because they want to entice people to buy the new ones. Once the old ones become harder to find on the open market (and I see them at Target and Best Buy still), they'll update. Apple likely feels a software update now would hinder sales of the new iPods. I think you'll get updated when the new iPods are further down the road. Maybe by Christmas.

You're probably right. And firmware 2.0 won't run on the first generation ipods obviously since they don't have clock chips... but they are obviously flash upgradeable so most of the features should be able to be implimented.

 

[evilfunkgenius]

After reading all the responses I got for expressing my frustration, I apologise for starting an off-topic, flame-war.

That said, I do have a few comments:

1. The iPod is hardware and I am not asking for an upgrade to my hardware. In fact, I much prefer my 20gb iPod's buttons and design.

2. The original iPod firmware was made to be upgradeable. Therefore, I do not feel it is above and beyond to ask for upgrades (for at least as long as the warrantee lasts).

3. All three Apple base stations have very different hardware and yet Apple seems to make all of them work just fine with equivalent software upgrades. What is so special about the classic iPods which makes them so difficult to update?

4. A lot of the grumbling going on around message boards right now could be solved if Apple would just say "Yes, we are making an update for previous iPod owners, and it will be done..." or "No, there will be no further firmware upgrades for the older iPods, because..." My statement was meant to be pointed more at that than anything else.

 

[LinuxGigolo]

Originally posted by KershMan
No, but you would be upset if 10.3 did not work on it. All we are asking for is the SOFTWARE. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

HA HA HA HA. (That was my exact response to that when I read it). Good point. I'd love to see how people feel if, say, they bought a 17" PowerBook the day before Panther came out... and it wasn't supported by Panther. Jaguar would run fine... and Apple would even release a 10.2.7 update just to make them feel specialer (and give them... say... 1 new feature... or better yet... cripple the Apple Menu some more), but it could never run Panther. That's probably how some people feel if they bought their iPod a few months ago and now it suddenly can't support the latest OS...and Updater 1.3 added a stupid backlight thing to the main menu to uglify it.

On another note... I'd be willing to pay for an updater that would update my 10 gigger with more of the new features (and get rid of the freakin' backlight in the main menu option). Not $299, $399, or $499... but $25? $50? I'm sure quite a few people would do the same. If it's not a hardware issue, Apple should really capitalize on that... sell the updater if you're not gonna give it away.

 

[h'biki]

Well, i updated my iPod. the updater crash but not until after my iPod was updated.

my calendar no longer uses bolds and other stylish things. its pure plain text.

however, it loads instantly now which is great cause i have a HUGE calendar and it was my pet peeve of the new iPod.

so yeah, me happy (and no click)

 

[eboychik]

I have a pair of the ER-6s and while they do sound good:

1. They "rustle" if you move the wire around at all.

I have a pair of the 4s and the 6s, and there is a way to get rid of the cord microphonics (the annoying thumping sound). Look up Dr. Xin Feng's excellent website. He's in the Sacramento area, and he modifies the ER headphones, moving some parts and changing the cord to remove the rustling problem. He actually makes the ERs sound better /

Also, he will make the cord any length you wish, and gives you a choice of L shaped or straight plugs. And finally, he has an off-white cord that is not as whitey-white as the one that comes with the iPod, but it's close enough to allow you to fly your iPod colors, so to speak.

 

[murderofcrows]

ipod not resuming from sleep

hello,
i have the new 15gb ipod which i have had for 3 weeks now. ever since i have had it i have noticed that if i don't use the ipod for awhile (and when not using it i always keep the lock on) it often won't resume from sleep. this will happen whether i hold the play button for 5 seconds to put it to sleep or let itself 'time out' to sleep. when i say 'often', i think it won't resume from sleep more often than it will. the only way i can get it to turn on is by doing a force reset (which other than taking time is also annoying because i lose all of my settings) or by plugging it into my ibook.
anyway - i've been meaning to do a search on applecare et al or ring the store that sold it to me to see if i am doing something wrong or if it is a faulty ipod but since i saw this thread i thought i would post here to see if anyone else is expereincing this problem and if so how it can be solved.
i am at work at the moment so haven't had a chance to apply this update.
regards.

 

[rjstanford]

Originally posted by evilfunkgenius
2. The original iPod firmware was made to be upgradeable. Therefore, I do not feel it is above and beyond to ask for upgrades (for at least as long as the warrantee lasts).

And, so far at least, haven't firmware upgrades come out to address outstanding bugs and strategic support issues (such as AAC) pretty well?

Moving on from there, has anyone noticed that this is getting a pretty big splash on the main page of apple.com? In fact, its getting the box that used to detail the 12/15 inch powerbook price cuts. The 12/15 inch G4 powerbooks, that is. The ones that aren't front-page news any more. Just like there's no mention of any current hardware on the front page any more.

Maybe a coincidence, but I at least found it interesting...

-Richard

 

[bertagert]

Ok, did we clear up the 2.01 features not working on older ipods? If not, someone who has an older ipod please call Apple and find out exactly why they can't add the play que, a few games and notes stuff. Until then, lets keep this thread on topic.

Not having clicks between songs is a big plus! The on-the-go playlist no works like expected.

The only thing I don't get is the back-light update. Mine looks the same. Is there something I should be looking for?

 

[nilepoc]

calendar

I have to say, that the most notable improvement, is that the calendar is infinately more usable. It is what I would call snappy compared to the one of old.

I did however have a problem with the upgrade, my sync went from sync all, to sync selected, with none selected. A minor anoyance, but it confused me for a bit, I actually hought I had erased my ical.

Anyway, happy with the update. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[alia]

I updated without any problems.

I was hoping when they said "Backlight updates," they meant that the backlight no longer turns off while you are using it when you turn it on by holding down the menu key. I guess that's not the case though, since mine still does that. I find it kind of annoying, but oh well.

Other than that minor quibble, I love my ipod.

Also, haven't heard a click or had a channel change since, so yay!


Alia

 

[LimeiBook86]

Originally posted by evilfunkgenius
This makes me very, very, very angry.

Why won't they release updated software for us older iPod users? Why won't they even TELL us that they are (or are not) releasing said software!? How hard can it be to code up some changes for the older hardware???

Thank you for letting me vent.

I totaly agree! My iPod was less than 5 months old when It was replaces by teh newer models...I'm mad but my iPod is doing fine. I wish I hadnew features though...not making software for less than a year old products does not make any sense to me...

 

[h'biki]

ipod 1.4 or 970s + iPal.

take your pick:

iPod 1st/2nd gen running something approaching 2.0

or the 970s and the portable user data (probably running off the iPod).

cause i'm pretty sure WWDC is going to explain what apple's been working on

 

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by evilfunkgenius
3. All three Apple base stations have very different hardware and yet Apple seems to make all of them work just fine with equivalent software upgrades. What is so special about the classic iPods which makes them so difficult to update?

That's not really accurate. The software you run from your Mac talks to all 3, but the firmware updates for each base station are very different. Once the 2nd gen (Snow) base stations came out the 1st gen (Graphite) BSs stopped getting firmware updates. Same thing with the AEBS.

Different versions of BSs, different firmware. Same as the iPod.

I have a 5GB iPod and could care less about playing Parachute.

 

[zac4mac]

Be careful

I got 2.0.1 to run on my old 5Gb by accident. Had to erase and start over, back on 1.3 now. The new 15Gb likes 2.0.1tho.
Can't believe Apple actually leaked the new specs. or were they hacked?

 

[AppleMatt]

Re: 2.0.1 fixed my 30GB iPod

Originally posted by Alexander
I take it you've never had the opportunity to listen to the Etymotic ER-4Ps? (Admittedly, they are about $270, but you get what you pay for ) I hear the new ER-6's are good too, and they're about half the price.

I haven't indeed, and at that price I think it's going to be a while before I do! . I would like some (really) high-end buds, but I can't justify it after buying PowerBooks almost every update and insisting on adding bits and bobs to the main Hi-Fi.

Originally posted by CheekyGit
I had a problem with my 30GB iPod with the lock icon wouldn't go away. I accidently left the iPod locked while I was listening to it one night. I feel asleep and realized the lock button was engaged. I didn't have it plugged in to AC power or into my laptop. I tried sliding the lock switch to unlock and it didn't work. I wrestled it with it for 3 weeks trying to fix it.

God that would drive me crazy. I probably would smash the screen. But then that's just me.

Originally posted by evilfunkgenius

3. All three Apple base stations have very different hardware and yet Apple seems to make all of them work just fine with equivalent software upgrades. What is so special about the classic iPods which makes them so difficult to update?

No. As far as I know, the basestations upgrade the WaveLAN card's firmware, not Apple's actual hardware. Also there are different firmware files within the Airport Admin Utility, open it up and take a look.

AppleMatt

edit: sorry Rower_CPU just saw your post

 

[juniormaj]

Re: ipod not resuming from sleep

Originally posted by murderofcrows
hello,
i have the new 15gb ipod which i have had for 3 weeks now. ever since i have had it i have noticed that if i don't use the ipod for awhile (and when not using it i always keep the lock on) it often won't resume from sleep. this will happen whether i hold the play button for 5 seconds to put it to sleep or let itself 'time out' to sleep. when i say 'often', i think it won't resume from sleep more often than it will. the only way i can get it to turn on is by doing a force reset (which other than taking time is also annoying because i lose all of my settings) or by plugging it into my ibook.
anyway - i've been meaning to do a search on applecare et al or ring the store that sold it to me to see if i am doing something wrong or if it is a faulty ipod but since i saw this thread i thought i would post here to see if anyone else is expereincing this problem and if so how it can be solved.
i am at work at the moment so haven't had a chance to apply this update.
regards.

I've been having the exact same problems with my new 10GB model. I've never had this problem with my old 5GB or my old 20GB.
I looked through applecare and couldn't find any documents about it.
I also haven't had the chance to upgrade to 2.0.1 yet, but I hope it fixes it.