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iPod touch iPod Touch Gen. 2

Guys, Apple could make a Touch with everything the iPhone has except the phone and it would not compromise iPhone sales one bit.

Why? It's simple. Touch owners don't want to have a $2000+ contract over two years. No matter how much better the iPhone is than the Touch, Touch owners aren't interested in the iPhone because of that one thing: the contract. Vice-versa, no matter how much better the Touch is than the iPhone, iPhone owners want the phone part and the $2000 contract.

The Touch and the iPhone are two completely separate markets that affect each other basically nil.
 
iMacmatician said:
Doesn't the phone part of the iPhone distinguish enough? And wouldn't GPS lessen the difference between the iPhone and iPod touch?

Anyway, I predict a price drop and possible discontinuation of the 8 GB model.
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and why would apple want to lessen the difference between the iPod touch and iPhone? I'm pretty sure they want to make the differences even greater if anything. Better product distinguishing.
 
asskick3r said:
If the new 2nd gen ipod touch comes out... what will happen to all the people who both the 1 gen version?
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Youre all screwed!!

asskick3r said:
I'm expecting that if you bought one before a certain date you would either get the chance to trade in your old one to upgrade to a new one... but not for full price.
(e.g... The new ipod is 399.99... you trade in your old one... then the new ipod is discounted to like 99.99.)
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Actually, no. That happens to the January update application. If my memo served me right, the Jan app were released on Jan 15th and if you buy your touch on the 14th, you'll get $20 rebate. No trade, man.
 
wait till laborday?

Within 30 days of any purchase *typically* you can exchange a "new condition" ipod at many retailers, though check their return policies. Especially if an upgrade is announced most places will work with you. Ask up front what the policy is, keep all of your original packaging and be sure to get a receipt.

By mid September we should know something for certain. Even if no major updates are announce you will not have waited for nothing and will have your iPod already.

Also many retailers offer an 'unofficial' price guarantee. If you return when the item is reduced in price within 30 days most managers will authorize it as basically a glorified return and refund you back the difference rather than loose future business.
 
sorry, but i have to have my my with this rubbish about there won't be a camera, if Steve and his guys at apple are clever they won't think about "Distinguishes from the iPhone" rubbish, first of all if there is going to be a new ipod touch they won't think about too much from "Distinguishes from the iPhone" they'll think of "enhance the user experience" and how it will be better for the user. If they think it make the product better for the users and allow the users to get a better user experience then they'll add it, now end of that please!
 
Beric said:
Guys, Apple could make a Touch with everything the iPhone has except the phone and it would not compromise iPhone sales one bit.
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Thats just sillly...there are people using Verizon, Sprint, T Mobile etc who like the iPhone, but don't want to end their contract right now(cost extra cash)....if the iPod touch offered everything the iPhone did, it possible they would just pick up the iPod touch inplace of the iPhone.
 
AceFernalld said:
[*]$50-$100 price drop.
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That is very unlikely. The only reason why the iPhone 3G (8GB) is $199 is because it is subsidized. The iPod touch 8GB will NOT drop $100, because that would put it in the same place in the iPhone, and Apple would be making less money because there is no one to pay an additional $300 (estimated) like there is on the iPhone. (Remember that you are sharing the full cost of the device with AT&T)

A $50 price drop is still a bit of wishful thinking, but you never know with Apple. No one knew that they were going to sell the applications that were meant keep it distant from the iPhone.
 
AceFernalld said:
[*]Added external volume controls. Come on, Apple! we have physical controls on every iPod, including the iPhone, and we need them on the iPod touch! It's impossible to control unless taking it out, sliding the unlock, double tapping the home button, messing with the controls, pressing the power button again, putting back into pocket.
We could have side volume controls and hopefully a Play/Pause button to be able to control in the pocket/ without looking.
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I'd say that's an extreme exaggeration. Especially seeing how you don't have to unlock it before double-tapping the home button, and you don't have to turn it off before putting it in your pocket.

In fact, I can now even double tap the home button and hit "Next Track" or "Play/Pause" without even taking it out of my pocket.

The steps to controlling the iPod Touch are:

1. Double-tap home button
2. Make selection (next, back, pause/play, volume).

Two steps.
 
I've been searching for the best touchscreen media player. If you peruse my blog you'll see a few I've reviewed. The problem with every one is that they leave something out. No one else has wifi with a useful browser. That is the Touch's unique feature. Yet almost everyone else has FM radio, and many have bluetooth. Many have a mic and voice recording. Some have speakers.

The Touch can obviously coast on it's unique feature (wifi) and ignore what everyone else is doing. Most people know what an iPod is, but can't even name a competitor. Apple has the majority of the US market. Yet if Apple went just a little farther with the Touch, the competitors would all surrender, and it would be the #1 selling pocket media player in the world.

So put a plastic back on it and stick in bluetooth and FM. Add a mic and a speaker. Don't do it small either. Include every bluetooth protocal. Add schedulable FM recording to MP3 format. Add voice recording with pause and resume, and add voice command! Then, just to show off, stick an ATSC (or DMB) tuner (digital TV) chip in it with schedulable TV recording. It can use the headphone cable as an antenna, or offer a dedicated antenna that plugs into/uses the headphone jack. We can listen from the speaker, or via bluetooth. As a last token, add wifi sync. ;)
 
4DThinker said:
I've been searching for the best touchscreen media player. If you peruse my blog you'll see a few I've reviewed. The problem with every one is that they leave something out. No one else has wifi with a useful browser. That is the Touch's unique feature. Yet almost everyone else has FM radio, and many have bluetooth. Many have a mic and voice recording. Some have speakers.

The Touch can obviously coast on it's unique feature (wifi) and ignore what everyone else is doing. Most people know what an iPod is, but can't even name a competitor. Apple has the majority of the US market. Yet if Apple went just a little farther with the Touch, the competitors would all surrender, and it would be the #1 selling pocket media player in the world.

So put a plastic back on it and stick in bluetooth and FM. Add a mic and a speaker. Don't do it small either. Include every bluetooth protocal. Add schedulable FM recording to MP3 format. Add voice recording with pause and resume, and add voice command! Then, just to show off, stick an ATSC (or DMB) tuner (digital TV) chip in it with schedulable TV recording. It can use the headphone cable as an antenna, or offer a dedicated antenna that plugs into/uses the headphone jack. We can listen from the speaker, or via bluetooth. As a last token, add wifi sync. ;)
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My only issue with this, 4D, is what could Apple do to top this??? ;)

My only concern would be with any of this tampering with the aesthetic of the Touch. Not that looks should be a deal-breaker (function should and must come first), but style is a defining aspect of Apple. Maybe if a lot of this stuff could be attached (the tuner, for example.)
 
4DThinker said:
I've been searching for the best touchscreen media player. If you peruse my blog you'll see a few I've reviewed. The problem with every one is that they leave something out. No one else has wifi with a useful browser. That is the Touch's unique feature. Yet almost everyone else has FM radio, and many have bluetooth. Many have a mic and voice recording. Some have speakers.

The Touch can obviously coast on it's unique feature (wifi) and ignore what everyone else is doing. Most people know what an iPod is, but can't even name a competitor. Apple has the majority of the US market. Yet if Apple went just a little farther with the Touch, the competitors would all surrender, and it would be the #1 selling pocket media player in the world.

So put a plastic back on it and stick in bluetooth and FM. Add a mic and a speaker. Don't do it small either. Include every bluetooth protocal. Add schedulable FM recording to MP3 format. Add voice recording with pause and resume, and add voice command! Then, just to show off, stick an ATSC (or DMB) tuner (digital TV) chip in it with schedulable TV recording. It can use the headphone cable as an antenna, or offer a dedicated antenna that plugs into/uses the headphone jack. We can listen from the speaker, or via bluetooth. As a last token, add wifi sync. ;)
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That wouldn't be obnoxious...

"What's that?"
--"Oh! This is just my iPod, radio, voice recorder, TV tuner, laptop, kitchen sink. What's that you got there?"
"My iRiver."
--"pfft. Sorry I asked"
 
dasikes said:
My only issue with this, 4D, is what could Apple do to top this??? ;)
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Top it in '09 by adding a 5mp camera (for stills and video) that has 4x internal optical zoom AND a flash. ;)
Top that in '10 by adding HDMI 1080p output with digital 5.1 audio ;)
Top that in '11 by changing to an OLED backlight-less screen, and solar (or room light) charging of the hydrogen power cell. ;)
 
Nickelz92 said:
The touch is not an iPhone. They'll never put a camera on it as much as I would like it to, it would compromise iPhone sales.
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How would it compromise iPhone sales? I didn't know people only bought an iPhone for the 2.0 MP camera it comes with. I thought the main feature that differentiates a phone with media capabilities from a PMP was the fact that a phone has PHONE features. It would be completely unrealistic to believe that an iPod Touch might get a microphone and small speakers for your ear as well as calling features or SMS.

Now, I think that Apple could add a camera, speakers, and possibly Bluetooth to the iPod touch without getting too close to the iPhone. I do not know anyone who buys an iPhone over and iPod touch for those reasons. If you want a touch screen iPod with a phone in it, you buy an iPhone. If you do not want the phone part, you just get an iPod Touch. I am very positive that a camera is not the main selling point for most iPhone buyers.

Sorry if I seam rude or anything, it's not anything personal; I am just tired of people saying that adding a camera to an iPod touch would take away from iPhone sales. I know it is possible to use an iPhone as an iPod only via a Jailbreak and Unlock, but really, how many people would go through the trouble and bugs it presents just to have a cheap camera?
 
zap2 said:
Thats just sillly...there are people using Verizon, Sprint, T Mobile etc who like the iPhone, but don't want to end their contract right now(cost extra cash)....if the iPod touch offered everything the iPhone did, it possible they would just pick up the iPod touch inplace of the iPhone.
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But wouldn't Apple make more of a profit off of the iPod touch than an iPhone 3g? I thought that ATT stopped paying Apple a part of the monthly payment of iPhone service with the 3g iPhone. So in that case, Apple would make more profit off an iPod Touch than an iPhone (especially with charging iPod Touch users for software upgrades).
 
txhockey9404 said:
But wouldn't Apple make more of a profit off of the iPod touch than an iPhone 3g? I thought that ATT stopped paying Apple a part of the monthly payment of iPhone service with the 3g iPhone. So in that case, Apple would make more profit off an iPod Touch than an iPhone (especially with charging iPod Touch users for software upgrades).
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Where did you hear that?
 
4DThinker said:
Top it in '09 by adding a 5mp camera (for stills and video) that has 4x internal optical zoom AND a flash. ;)
Top that in '10 by adding HDMI 1080p output with digital 5.1 audio ;)
Top that in '11 by changing to an OLED backlight-less screen, and solar (or room light) charging of the hydrogen power cell. ;)
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Top that in '12 by adding a time machine! :O
 
Beric said:
Guys, Apple could make a Touch with everything the iPhone has except the phone and it would not compromise iPhone sales one bit.

Why? It's simple. Touch owners don't want to have a $2000+ contract over two years. No matter how much better the iPhone is than the Touch, Touch owners aren't interested in the iPhone because of that one thing: the contract. Vice-versa, no matter how much better the Touch is than the iPhone, iPhone owners want the phone part and the $2000 contract.

The Touch and the iPhone are two completely separate markets that affect each other basically nil.
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EXACTLY...It's really not that hard to understand but I think apple knows that now and will make the iPod touch to what it is a premium iPod+ and a mobile computing platform not just a glorified music player...
 
For the past few year the ipods have been updated in September so that's probably what we'll see this September. Don't buy one in August unless you don't mind a new one coming out.

They only gave some of the early iphone customers a $100 rebate because many people were angry about the drastic price drop. There is no reason they would so this for an ipod.
 
tuffluffjimmy said:
well that is the case, but Apple Makes more money off the iPhone considering it costs $600. (no one honestly thinks that the iPhone is $200, right?)
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The iPhone 3g 8gb costs $174 dollars to manufacture
http://gizmodo.com/5025546/isuppli-official-estimate-the-iphone-3g-build-price-is-17433
And it comes with a cable, a USB charger, and headphones. Since the iPod touch also comes with headphones and a cable, those cancel out. The USB charger currently costs $29, so that makes the cost to Apple $204, without cables and headphones. Apple also must support the iPhone for 2 years, whereas the iPod touch only gets 1 year of service, and since AppleCare for iPod touch costs $59, Apple must take a $59 dollar hit to support the iPhone.

And ATT and the other carriers pay Apple around $400 for each iPhone 3g 8gb.

And an iPod touch 8gb costs Apple $147
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-touch-teardown-suggests-component-cost-of-147/

So an iPhone 3g makes Apple $196-$59 Apple Care for iPod touch=$137
And an iPod touch makes Apple $179+$10 for software 2.0=$172
 
txhockey9404 said:
The iPhone 3g 8gb costs $174 dollars to manufacture
http://gizmodo.com/5025546/isuppli-official-estimate-the-iphone-3g-build-price-is-17433
And it comes with a cable, a USB charger, and headphones. Since the iPod touch also comes with headphones and a cable, those cancel out. The USB charger currently costs $29, so that makes the cost to Apple $204, without cables and headphones. Apple also must support the iPhone for 2 years, whereas the iPod touch only gets 1 year of service, and since AppleCare for iPod touch costs $59, Apple must take a $59 dollar hit to support the iPhone.

And ATT and the other carriers pay Apple around $400 for each iPhone 3g 8gb.

And an iPod touch 8gb costs Apple $147
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-touch-teardown-suggests-component-cost-of-147/

So an iPhone 3g makes Apple $196-$59 Apple Care for iPod touch=$137
And an iPod touch makes Apple $179+$10 for software 2.0=$172
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**face palm**

you do realize that because it costs that much to make the iPod can't retail for $200. It needs to be about where it is in order to make a good profit. Or else Apple would bleed money from shipping, warranties, replacement parts, labor, retail stores, etc. but it was nice of you to attempt a little research.
 
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