What model do you have in Systems Preferences -> Displays -> Color -> Open Profile -> "mmod"?
Mine is 0000A018 and I do have some faint retention that fades pretty quickly after using the checkerboard thing for 10 min.
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What model do you have in Systems Preferences -> Displays -> Color -> Open Profile -> "mmod"?
Mine is 0000A018 and I do have some faint retention that fades pretty quickly after using the checkerboard thing for 10 min.
manufacturer: 00000610
model: 0000A020
there's another thread where we're posting up our display ID's here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1659245/
yes, full brightness
I have the exact same panel as your do.
Running the test, I noticed faint hints of IR. Sad... 🙁
Pretty much yes. In almost 2 years there's been zero proof of a samsung display on the 13" and they tend to all exhibit IR at some point so ... LG.
We can't assume this new mbp definitely has image retention issues. We'll probably have to wait a little while for video proof. There is currently no video proof. It really is the only way people will believe it's happening. The couple of pics and people saying it's happening isn't enough to give a definite answer.
If people start posting vids showing this problem and proving it's the new haswell 13's then we can put this endless assuming to rest. Sounds amazing right?
Huh? Unless you've tested every 13" rMBP that's been sold that's not confirmation.
I think we can probably all agree on the following:
1) All displays, Retina, Mac, or not, have a probability to both have IR and fade over time. It's a matter of time, bad luck, and pattern of use, and we can't predict down to a single LCD which will or won't exhibit this over time. It's up to each of us to decide if it's worth the risk.
2) Subjecting most monitors to a stress test of a static picture over minutes/hours/days will accelerate the process. This may not be a realistic representation of real world use, and even monitors that pass a 20-minute test now could fail at a later time. And just cuz it fails, it doesn't mean it would bother the user on normal use.
3) Given the sizable number of people who have express their frustrations and have had this problem, they are probably NOT having mass delusion.
4) We can't know the true incidence of this unless every single MacBook customer posts a calibrated result, so there's a possibility of a selection bias of more people w/ motivation to post here would report the issue.
5) Vice versa, we shouldn't sit and stare at the checker pattern for 20 minutes as it would lead to a well known psychovisual effect of "seeing" the pattern. As posters have demonstrated here, capturing the effect with a video can more objectively capture the magnitude of this issue.
Those w/ older MBP/MBPR whose problem have gotten really bad on a daily basis should probably post videos showing this so that we all can objectively appreciate how bad it is.
1) All displays, Retina, Mac, or not, have a probability to both have IR and fade over time. It's a matter of time, bad luck, and pattern of use, and we can't predict down to a single LCD which will or won't exhibit this over time. It's up to each of us to decide if it's worth the risk.
2) Subjecting most monitors to a stress test of a static picture over minutes/hours/days will accelerate the process. This may not be a realistic representation of real world use, and even monitors that pass a 20-minute test now could fail at a later time. And just cuz it fails, it doesn't mean it would bother the user on normal use.
3) Given the sizable number of people who have express their frustrations and have had this problem, they are probably NOT having mass delusion.
4) We can't know the true incidence of this unless every single MacBook customer posts a calibrated result, so there's a possibility of a selection bias of more people w/ motivation to post here would report the issue.
5) Vice versa, we shouldn't sit and stare at the checker pattern for 20 minutes as it would lead to a well known psychovisual effect of "seeing" the pattern. As posters have demonstrated here, capturing the effect with a video can more objectively capture the magnitude of this issue.
Those w/ older MBP/MBPR whose problem have gotten really bad on a daily basis should probably post videos showing this so that we all can objectively appreciate how bad it is.
EDIT: Looks like I may have gotten ahead of myself, I think everyone has posted those details in the other thread. Might be helpful to have a breakdown thread somewhere, with model + IR status + count.
Can you post your display details from the color profile info? So far people are seeing A18 and A20, wondering if the one report of A19 was a typo for A18, but it could be a third.
Would love to see a breakdown of reported IR (and no IR) by that info. So that I can immediately check mine when I get it and have a better chance to know if it is in danger. 😀
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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1662379/
We may need a separate thread to start breaking down the models. This thread started to mid-way through the 4th page using EDID. It may be speculation, but it looks pretty accurate.
(UPDATED OP WITH VIDEO PROOF OF LATE 13" WITH IR PROBLEMS)
I wish more of the sad sufferers of "display paranoia" would internalize this paragraph.
I have it on good authority that Apple will replace a defective display, whether those defects appear immediately, or over time. Where is the sense in deliberately trying to force a display to exhibit problems??
"Well, it doesn't seem to have IR after 10 minutes of this checkerboard test, but how about 30 minutes? Still no? Maybe I'd better just leave it on like this all day just to be sure..."
Honestly, I find this IR "witch hunt" totally ludicrous. Why torture yourself with this stuff? If it becomes a problem during normal use--as it did for many early adopters of the retina MBP--then just take your computer in and have Apple replace the display. Because if you intentionally try to "break" your display by subjecting it to totally unrealistic usage scenarios, the odds are very good you will succeed.
To be honest it does sound ridiculous to an extent. But on the other hand, I'm really interested in buying my first mac book. If I were to buy one I wouldn't do the IR checkerboard test. I would set a dark background(which is what I would do anyway) then leave a window open for 10 or so minutes. Minimize it and see if it retains. If it doesn't then I would have no reason to keep looking.
Keeping it short, I'll have this laptop for years. I'm not buying applecare. If the screen truly is defective then it could happen at anytime. I just wouldn't want this problem happening to me, so getting this information before I purchase one is helpful.
Well, you have a year to change your mind about AppleCare. Bear in mind that you're buying a computer wherein a fairly innocuous component failure can result in a $1000 parts replacement--due to the epoxied/"permanent" nature of the hardware build. An extra $200 is a small price to pay for peace of mind... (although I suppose if you have other home insurance that covers your MBP, AppleCare could be considered a luxury.)
In any case, I don't blame you for wanting to check the machine thoroughly for defects right away, but I do think people can get carried away with this stuff. It can REALLY take the fun out things if you let yourself become obsessed with the notion of 'perfection' in the realm of consumer electronics. 😉
dastinger
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My 15" rMBP is a mid 2012 one. I had an LG at first and had severe IR after some months of use. Got it replaced by a Samsung that did not have any type of IR. Two weeks ago, I had the screen replaced once again (totally different issue) and got a Samsung again so, after seeing this thread, I decided to check again just for the sake of it.. Ran the checkerboard test for 10 minutes. No IR at all 🙂
So I am now using my 13" rMBP. I am not seeing any problems under normal use, so that is good enough for me. I have not run the test, nor do I plan on doing so.
If there is a problem in 6 months, inconvenient as that may be, I will take it to an Apple store and ask for a repair. If I see no problems in 10 months, I will probably still buy AppleCare, because, after all, it isn't just for screens.
I had been Mac-less for a few years now, and being back on one feels like coming home. All of the features I didn't have on my Powerbooks only make it more comfortable - the trackpad gestures are awesome. Could I have gotten the same experience with an Air and avoided the whole IR concern? Sure. At the loss of CPU, RAM, SSD, screen, etc. I'm happy with my purchase. (That being said, if I see IR in the next week, I'll be back to post about it!)
If there is a problem in 6 months, inconvenient as that may be, I will take it to an Apple store and ask for a repair. If I see no problems in 10 months, I will probably still buy AppleCare, because, after all, it isn't just for screens.
I had been Mac-less for a few years now, and being back on one feels like coming home. All of the features I didn't have on my Powerbooks only make it more comfortable - the trackpad gestures are awesome. Could I have gotten the same experience with an Air and avoided the whole IR concern? Sure. At the loss of CPU, RAM, SSD, screen, etc. I'm happy with my purchase. (That being said, if I see IR in the next week, I'll be back to post about it!)
Pentad
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And why is that ? I'm talking about experience. I have owned several rmbp of both sizes. Just like many I said to myself screw IR I will just use my computer without running any test and whatever happens happens. And of course few months later IR started and got worse and I have been very lucky to get a refund. Out of the box I had no problem whatsoever so my advice is not to ignore the issue until it starts but to check it right away and from what i grasped in the topic about IR of Apple forums, it often takes more than 10 minutes.
You can say whatever you want i don't give a s. really. If I can save someone from being screwed in a few months or at least make sure that he is doing his purchase with all the right facts in his mind then I will. Hell that's why I'm here for, helping people, and not trying to convince them to buy defective computer as if it was a minor inconvenience that might not happened. You don't have to see the future to know it will.
This. Once in a while I move the Dock to one of the sides (normally on bottom) just to check, but I generally don't remember to do that. 😀
And we're done here.
Well...this is odd. I've my iPad 4 for several months, while reading this post I try one of the tests, and guess what? obviously some IR "manifested" (you know, because of the ghosting thing, hehe 😛 ).
Never, never in normal use I've perceived it. And I use the iPad mostly for reading and seeing videos. The image persisted for 10-15 seconds. Honestly - at least in the iPad 4 - it's absolutely no problem in normal use.
<sarcasm> - So...it may get worst over time...aha...like, you know...30 seconds if I let the static image again?...sure, because I've done that so much times in the several past months. </sarcasm>
I've just purchased a rMBP and was worrying about the IR issue. It's not an iPad 4, I get that. But basically it's the same problem. Unless it's really bothering me in normal use I won't even test my screen for problems. I hate dead pixels or uneven lighting, but this issue (at least for me) has proven to be something less than an odd behavior.
But what if de rMBP develop some monstrous ghosting in the next months EVEN in normal use?...if (and only IF) it gets to that point, there's warranty for that. I've used it 2 or 3 times in the past on other Apple products, I KNOW APPLE PRODUCTS ARE NOT ALWAYS PERFECT and that's why warranty exists.
But what if that happens in 2 and a half year? Well...either I've already buy AppleCare and...no problem, or in the event I haven't...well, "bad luck bruh! **** happens" save A LOT of bucks and get it fix if you need it. There's a solution.
But...what if that happens en 5 or 7 or 30 years?... get serious, you aren't one of those guys that want to live forever...are you? 😕
Never, never in normal use I've perceived it. And I use the iPad mostly for reading and seeing videos. The image persisted for 10-15 seconds. Honestly - at least in the iPad 4 - it's absolutely no problem in normal use.
<sarcasm> - So...it may get worst over time...aha...like, you know...30 seconds if I let the static image again?...sure, because I've done that so much times in the several past months. </sarcasm>
I've just purchased a rMBP and was worrying about the IR issue. It's not an iPad 4, I get that. But basically it's the same problem. Unless it's really bothering me in normal use I won't even test my screen for problems. I hate dead pixels or uneven lighting, but this issue (at least for me) has proven to be something less than an odd behavior.
But what if de rMBP develop some monstrous ghosting in the next months EVEN in normal use?...if (and only IF) it gets to that point, there's warranty for that. I've used it 2 or 3 times in the past on other Apple products, I KNOW APPLE PRODUCTS ARE NOT ALWAYS PERFECT and that's why warranty exists.
But what if that happens in 2 and a half year? Well...either I've already buy AppleCare and...no problem, or in the event I haven't...well, "bad luck bruh! **** happens" save A LOT of bucks and get it fix if you need it. There's a solution.
But...what if that happens en 5 or 7 or 30 years?... get serious, you aren't one of those guys that want to live forever...are you? 😕
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