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The middle east has been backwards and destitute for millennia. Nuff said. >.<
Yeah China must be using US sand to fill in those reefs and make artificial island to put military installation on and then claim lame ass territorial water limits.
Guys, I have many questions, but if you could answer just one...
How does this differ from China? Because I thought they did roughly the same thing?
How does this differ from China? Because I thought they did roughly the same thing?
I see we have rather different world views. But, go back and read the article I posted. The definition of "politics" is extremely broad-- don't have an opinion about anything, don't try to criticize or change anything. Well, I have a lot of opinions-- that's why I'm here. On PRSI.
They want everyone to register their individual IMEI. That way, the Islamic Republic knows exactly which person (in the country) is responsible for posting (on Facebook or Snapchat) images of the Ayatollah having sex with goats.
It's exactly like Turkey's Erdogan…. he goes after anyone saying bad things about him, demanding criminal charges on German citizens who slandered him.
It's exactly like Turkey's Erdogan…. he goes after anyone saying bad things about him, demanding criminal charges on German citizens who slandered him.
I don’t believe that they do. They just sell you that illusion. IMO they get around it in one of two ways;
- They use one of their many dirty shell companies to do the dirty work.
- They sub contract it out, ie buy the info/statistics from other companies that do mine data. Much the same way as it’s cheaper and easier to not to have to worry as much about someone else employees than your own. You can say you did due diligence when what it means is that you did enough background checks to satisfy others that you are doing it right and ethically. You have a suspicion that things might not be above board but you deliberately don’t look too hard.
I hope that Apple chooses to resist, and if the Iranian government tries to crackdown with mass-confiscation of Iranian citizens’ iPhones, that they rise up and overthrow the Iranian government. The Iranian government is a problem, as are the anti-liberty laws Iranians in general are under threat because of. The only country in the world that annually executes more of its own citizens than Iran, is China. The Iranian people, generally, are a good people. I have watched this travel vlog of going through Iran, a few times, I recommend watching it. The guy, who is from the UK, says that of all places he was during his several-thousand mile trip, his favorite was Iran and it was because the Iranian people were just great to him.
No they do not. I am Iranian Canadian and I am sure I know more about the country I have grown up in for 20 years more than you.
It's funny most people on this forum have never even visited Iran or even know anything about Iran, yet all they do is state their opinions as if they are stating facts. This is why westerners never understand anything about the middle east.
Keep being ignorant and act like ignorant Americans. This is why America keep getting into trouble and stuck inside Iraq, Afghanistan forever.
People like Trump and Republican keep thinking adding more troops and kill more Musilim is the key to solve problem.
Just follow old big gun diplomacy, sooner or later, there will be more and more terrorist attacks. Just watch and see.
If there is no US in the world, the world will be much better place.
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Yes, I know the name of the supreme leader, I just don't know how to spell it and rely on spell check. Khomeini and Khamenei are linguistically not too different so I botched the spelling. But the political difference between Khomeini and Khamenei is really nill. If you want to shill for your tyrannical gov't, OK. But as you wrote, "sure the gays can't be publicly be gay," and "If you don't wanna be arrested don't get involved in politics or espionage." I think that pretty much makes people's point about Iran lacking real human rights and not being a safe place to visit. To paraphrase your words, as long as one tows the line of the gov't they'll be OK. That is the opposite of freedom.
As for other countries, two wrongs do not make a right. Those other countries you list are every bit as anti-human rights. Add them to the list of why does TC do business with them if he wants to be consistent in his human rights stance. But this thread focuses on Iran and it's demand on Apple, not those other countries.
Yes, I know the name of the supreme leader, I just don't know how to spell it and rely on spell check. Khomeini and Khamenei are linguistically not too different so I botched the spelling. But the political difference between Khomeini and Khamenei is really nill. If you want to shill for your tyrannical gov't, OK. But as you wrote, "sure the gays can't be publicly be gay," and "If you don't wanna be arrested don't get involved in politics or espionage." I think that pretty much makes people's point about Iran lacking real human rights and not being a safe place to visit. To paraphrase your words, as long as one tows the line of the gov't they'll be OK. That is the opposite of freedom.
As for other countries, two wrongs do not make a right. Those other countries you list are every bit as anti-human rights. Add them to the list of why does TC do business with them if he wants to be consistent in his human rights stance. But this thread focuses on Iran and it's demand on Apple, not those other countries.
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I would love to visit Iran. Or rather Persia -- that is what the Persians that I know call it-- of course you know why.
Unfortunately, since I like to give opinions on everybody and everything, I would get arrested my first five minutes there and end up in solitary confinement.
What you don't seem to get is that freedom of speech is precisely freedom of political speech. The foundation of freedom.
What evidence do you have that could possibly back this assertion up? Furthermore, why would they be working so hard to completely anonymize bulk data collection, as they mentioned at WWDC? What actions have they taken that would lead you to believe that they're actually taking on the liability of collecting your data, and lying about it to your face? What would happen to their reputation if someone found this out? A company which makes multi billions of dollars, many of which are generated because of the security of the device, and they're willing to risk all of that because they want to make a couple extra millions on the side? Really?
I don't care what you are, or where you've been, just because you occupy a certain space does not give you an unquestioning authority to tell the rest of us inferior ones what really goes on there. I've never understood this, it amounts to saying, "I lived in Iran, and I saw the buildings there, and I met some people there, and I saw some trees there, and therefore I know exactly how their country works, so you all now have to shut up." I know plenty of people who live in America and Canada who don't have the first clue about how their governments work, so please, spare me the appeal to authority further.
Even the most casual web search will reveal clearly that it is considered illegal to be homosexual in Iran, and that it is a crime which is punishable by imprisonment, or death. Search a fraction deeper, and you discover that it is considered legal for a family member to kill another family member, so long as they are excused by the remaining family members if they feel that they killed them to defend the honor of the family's name.
Sick. And a gross violation of individual rights. So don't go about telling me that Iran is a rights respecting regime because you've seen a couple buildings there, or whatever. It's a nightmarish hell hole, and if you disagree, I'd appreciate a YouTube video of you running through Tehran shouting "I'm gay and proud!!! I'm gay and proud!!!" And let's see how that goes for you. Let's see if that's allowed. Go ahead. I'll wait.
We get stuck there because we go in with our hands tied behind our backs. Don't tell me that the mightiest military in the world can't stop a bunch of thugs from attacking us like guerrillas, and that we just have to learn how to live with these bastards.
And your last comment tops them all. America was the only country in the world which was almost completely moral at one point. Sure, it had it's flaws, but at one point it was the only government in the world which largely respected individual rights. To say that the world would be better off without America is unbelievable ignorant. You have no clue where the wealth which exists around you today comes from, and you're using the technology which was developed BECAUSE of this country's values, to denigrate that country. Ridiculous. The wealth in the world today wouldn't exist if the founders hadn't demanded that their rights be protected, and won a war to secure that reality.
I also invite you to move to Iran if you like it so much, and tell me about how your rights are protected, and about how your standard of living is so much better. Go ahead. Who want's to bet that you'll still to pointless name calling instead of dealing in fact and logic?
If you honestly believe that big companies, (yes even Apple), are whiter than white, I have to ask if you live in cloud cuckoo land. Ours for example have an ethics policy that says something along the lines of;
You will not accept bribes or presents from clients or potential clients. Unless it is their national custom to do so, (like China I think).
In reality what it means is if we can get away with it to grease the deal we will. How about them respecting our laws/customs regarding this instead?
Business dinners and functions where you provide all expenses paid niceties for other execs. Not because its the ethical way to do business, but to grease the wheels. Is it possible to be any more naive?
If it’s possible for the most powerful men of nations to straight up lie, ‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman’, ‘No the war wasn’t illegal, there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq’, it’s possible for some bean counter to not only stretch the truth but flat out lie.
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Don't make me laugh. Even the mightiest army in the earth cannot defeat bunch of thugs.
Soviet tried and USofA tried. And all failed. This is what happen when USofA force its crappy ideology around the world. USofA is trying to over thrown governments around the world that do not fits its agenda. The only result that would happy is chaos and messes that USofA created.
People in USofA simply do not get this. You guys are fighting ideology and religion, not bunch of criminals that happens to blow up buildings. You can finish ISIS, but I can guarantee that SISI or whatever called will pop up right after. USofA will stuck there forever.
USofA is creating messes all over the world, it trying to maintain its dominance around the world. But sooner or later, USofA will fall. The more USA dragged into religious conflicts, regional conflict, the faster USA will fall.
And I cannot wait until that day.
Pause and breath...
He has pride in his nation like most of us do that's not a bad thing. People who are proud generally fix things that are wrong and that's what we need more of. Unloading on a random guy while making you feel better doesn't do much to help progress and leads to resentment.
So... None... Is the answer... No evidence...
No, they didn't try, they did it half assed, and that's the whole point.
And you keep making the point that the US spreads its 'crappy ideology' around the world and wrecks it, while completely ignoring the fact that the majority of the Middle East has been a hell hole for thousands of years, far before the United States was even around. That'll be the last time I even acknowledge statements that ridiculous. Feel free to continue fooling yourself and posting about it, the only one you're fooling here is yourself.
I'm not 'unloading' on him, I laid out a bunch of questions, asking for proof, or at least some evidence of the claims he was making. He has still offered none. I don't see what pride in a country has to do with it at all, and I don't see why people seem to think that they're entitled to other people's productive efforts, especially if the law doesn't specifically require it, and specifically if there is a law which specifically outlines the fact that you, as an executive of the company, have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders. So on one hand you're supposed to donate extra money voluntarily to the people who denigrate your existence, and on the other, you're supposed to make as much money as possible for your shareholders, or else. All of these premises are completely mired, self contradictory, and ridiculous, which, again, is why there is no evidence to support them, and why they can't withstand the lightest level of scrutiny.
everybody here in Iran talks **** about the government and even the supreme leader. What I mean is don't go out on the street and chant "Death to the Supreme Leader" or something stupid like that. You won't ever get arrested for stating your opinion in public. I talk **** about the government publicly and so does everybody else. But what the hell, you will only believe what your media tells you anyway.
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First of all there are massive differences between the 2 leaders. They never agreed on anything when Khomeini was alive.
I dislike my government more than most people here and I'm not "shilling" for anybody, just stating facts as someone who has lived here for 20 years.
Finally, there is a huge difference between lacking human rights and being safe to visit. China has the same "lack of human rights" you talk about, yet it's a safe place to visit. It's your Fox News and other media outlets that make it seem like Iran isn't a safe country to visit.
I will personally take you on a tour to Iran if you ever changed your mind and you can see with your own eyes that Iran is much safer than the U.S. ( a.k.a nobody carries any guns here
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You are either a complete moron or a troll.
I just told you in my last post that you cannot publicly be gay, yet you challenge me to a YouTube video shouting "I'm gay" LOL.
You will be prosecuted for being gay, but nobody goes out telling people they are gay. Nobody even said Iran has a good record of human rights. You are just arguing with yourself like an idiot. All everybody is saying is Iran has the same track record for human rights as many many other countries such as Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, India, Pakistan, UAE, etc.
I can also assure you the reason Apple does not sell in Iran is not Iran's track for human rights. The reason is simply the sanctions that are put in place since the revolution.
I'm done arguing with you since you clearly don't even read or watch anything else than Fox News.
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You: Iran doesn't execute gays either. Are you completely ignorant?
Me: Yes they do. Get a clue.
You: No they do not. I am Iranian Canadian and I am sure I know more about the country I have grown up in for 20 years more than you.
It's funny most people on this forum have never even visited Iran or even know anything about Iran, yet all they do is state their opinions as if they are stating facts. This is why westerners never understand anything about the middle east.
Me: Even the most casual web search will reveal clearly that it is considered illegal to be homosexual in Iran, and that it is a crime which is punishable by imprisonment, or death.
You: I just told you in my last post that you cannot publicly be gay, yet you challenge me to a YouTube video shouting "I'm gay" LOL.
You will be prosecuted for being gay…
I’m done arguing with you… Fox News…
You’re done arguing because you have successfully contradicted yourself into hopeless embarrassment, and have come full circle into holding the view that the people you originally called ‘completely ignorant’ have held this whole time.
Nice try though.
Wait.. No it wasn’t.
Me: Yes they do. Get a clue.
You: No they do not. I am Iranian Canadian and I am sure I know more about the country I have grown up in for 20 years more than you.
It's funny most people on this forum have never even visited Iran or even know anything about Iran, yet all they do is state their opinions as if they are stating facts. This is why westerners never understand anything about the middle east.
Me: Even the most casual web search will reveal clearly that it is considered illegal to be homosexual in Iran, and that it is a crime which is punishable by imprisonment, or death.
You: I just told you in my last post that you cannot publicly be gay, yet you challenge me to a YouTube video shouting "I'm gay" LOL.
You will be prosecuted for being gay…
I’m done arguing with you… Fox News…
You’re done arguing because you have successfully contradicted yourself into hopeless embarrassment, and have come full circle into holding the view that the people you originally called ‘completely ignorant’ have held this whole time.
Nice try though.
Wait.. No it wasn’t.
My question though... is China not doing the same? For that matter, aren't Americans effectively doing the same thing through post-pay? I'm not trying to get into the ethics; just the technical differences.
You don't even know the difference between prosecution and execution. How do you even make a living?
First of all there are massive differences between the 2 leaders. They never agreed on anything when Khomeini was alive.
I dislike my government more than most people here and I'm not "shilling" for anybody, just stating facts as someone who has lived here for 20 years.
Finally, there is a huge difference between lacking human rights and being safe to visit. China has the same "lack of human rights" you talk about, yet it's a safe place to visit. It's your Fox News and other media outlets that make it seem like Iran isn't a safe country to visit.
I will personally take you on a tour to Iran if you ever changed your mind and you can see with your own eyes that Iran is much safer than the U.S. ( a.k.a nobody carries any guns here
Nice subterfuge with the Fox News mention. Try the UK Foreign Ministry. A few snippets from it's travel advisory for U.K. citizens: (Bold is for emphasis).
British nationals - including dual British/Iranian nationals - face greater risks than nationals of many other countries. The security forces may be suspicious of people with British connections. The risks are likely to be higher for independent travellers or students than for people travelling as part of an organised tour or business people invited by the Iranian authorities or companies.
There’s a risk that British nationals and British/Iranian dual nationals could be arbitrarily detained in Iran. In such cases the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has serious concerns that the subsequent judicial process falls below international standards.
Any behaviour that doesn’t have an obvious explanation can put you at risk, no matter how innocent you believe it to be. This may include travel off the beaten track, being present near crowds or sensitive sites, having contact with Iranians who are of interest to the authorities, taking photographs (except in major tourist sites), or behaviour that could be perceived as contrary to official Iranian interpretations of Islam.
Maybe that is your idea of "safe" but by western standards, ah, no.
Makes me wanna buy my ticket today for sure. Course I have a masochistic death wish.
Anyone want to chime in regarding my other garden spot to visit, North Korea?
I think those are ridiculous statements. Nobody gets arrested here just "arbitrary" lol. Any country has its own set of rules and you will be just fine if you follow them which won't be hard since we have many tourists here.
Regardless of what your opinion may be, this is totally off topic on the subject of Apple sales in Iran. The ONLY reason Apple is not yet officially selling in Iran is because of the sanctions and NOT any subject of human rights.
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Americans never fall short of being surprisingly ignorant. They are killing each other in the streets/clubs, their officers shooting people on a daily basis, yet they have the balls to criticize other nations for human rights. Solve your race and gun issues first. #Priorities.
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Sometimes I shake my head, I do now.
He is kinda right, I traveled a lot, before I traveled 2 years in a row and visited about 40 countries, in all that time I never had problems, flew back to Europe for a short stay and I cycled from Paris to The Netherlands, I camped out the first night and got me right into problems.
I have been in Iran, as I said in an earlier post here it's one of the nicest countries in the world, and yes, much-MUCH safer than either the US or the UK.
People are the nicest in the world.
Did I talk about politics there, yes I did and about lots of other stuff you shouldn't talk about, there is even Alcohol if you know your way.
VISIT it first before you comment on something you don't know anything about, and do you really believe all the news sites, well, if that's the case you really don't know anything.
I could really write a book about it why EU/US citizens are so brainwashed by what you here/read, it's mostly garbage.
** This is directed to many posters here, I just picked out you.