I recently got a refurb 2015 15" w 2.2 ghz, 16GB and an SSD. I've had it for a few weeks, seems plenty fast for me. I turned the brightness to max and its plenty bright, why would I want it any brighter? I actually turn it down a couple notches.
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Is 2015 rmbp the best?
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Ah, well.... But you get charging from both sides - which is a bigger deal than I thought.
Not true, more ports in every practical way.
Pass-through adapters solve this if you really need all 4 at once.
More or less the same.
Just get new cables.
Matter of preference. For a lot of people this is the best MBP keyboard.
Definitely not true.
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I can agree on the price part and even that some people may prefer certain things from the 2015 - but when it comes to the "least issues" - isn't the 2015. the MBP with most GPU failures since the MBP went retina?
Also, people who think the new one is superior in every way aren't necessarily biased. Some people value different things - for example, one may consider the ports or keyboard as a step back while the other may consider them better.
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I'm aware of my 2012 having an official repair program for GPU, was not aware of the 2015, can I ask what you are basing your conclusion on?
I don't know if for a fact, it was a genuine question
I remember reading that M370X was overheating and suffered failures, but could be wrong. I really was asking, not claiming anything.
I liked every feature of 2016 rMBP/TB, but sticking to my mid-2015 just because of reliability issues with battery, touchbar glitches and other things that are usual for first-gen products. And, frankly saying, for me there is almost no added benefit right now to jump to 2016 model. Will wait 2-3 years, and hope for 32/64Gb RAM and OLED
I don't know if for a fact, it was a genuine question
Not that I am aware, it could be true, maybe others know. I'll have a google
Just my 2012 is a lemon https://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro-videoissues/
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...cbook-air-takes-laptop-reliability-crown.html
Had a search and cannot find anything damning about the 2015 with 370x
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I wouldn't - actively searching for issues usually ends up finding some. Forget it, I'm sorry I said it!
You got me worried , I decided to keep my 2015
he he. You know how it is with apple in 2019 they will acknowledge 2015 GPU issues and in 2020 2016 issues
Wait, then what's this?
http://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MF839LL/A&step=config#
2015 is better for the following reasons:
Price
Ports
Magsafe - I have just had the machine for around a month and magsafe prevented it from falling on the floor at work.
Keyboard
No gimmicky touchbar
Normal sized trackpad
Superior battery life.
It is more of a pro machine.
If you want to upgrade then try waiting for the next iteration, Apple failed miserably with this launch, just check the reaction from less biased sources, you will generally get highly biased opinions here.
We waited a record amount of time almost for this upgrade, and this product still seems rushed. Usually when a product is launch, you don't expect it to take so many significant steps back and only offer a marginal increase in performance most people won't even notice. 2015 is tried and tested, 2014 is a good option too. The only 2016 model I would consider is the 13 inch without the touch bar, it seems decent for the price.
Price
Ports
Magsafe - I have just had the machine for around a month and magsafe prevented it from falling on the floor at work.
Keyboard
No gimmicky touchbar
Normal sized trackpad
Superior battery life.
It is more of a pro machine.
If you want to upgrade then try waiting for the next iteration, Apple failed miserably with this launch, just check the reaction from less biased sources, you will generally get highly biased opinions here.
We waited a record amount of time almost for this upgrade, and this product still seems rushed. Usually when a product is launch, you don't expect it to take so many significant steps back and only offer a marginal increase in performance most people won't even notice. 2015 is tried and tested, 2014 is a good option too. The only 2016 model I would consider is the 13 inch without the touch bar, it seems decent for the price.
I don't know if for a fact, it was a genuine question
Macworld claims a "speed boost" on the order of 3 or 4% for nt16 over 15. That's not a speed improvement that anyone would ever notice.
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I liked every feature of 2016 rMBP/TB, but sticking to my mid-2015 just because of reliability issues with battery, touchbar glitches and other things that are usual for first-gen products. And, frankly saying, for me there is almost no added benefit right now to jump to 2016 model. Will wait 2-3 years, and hope for 32/64Gb RAM and OLED
I think the new rev has potential. It might be 2-3 years before that potential is fully realized, ie with accessories, tb programming, glitches with battery life being worked out, better processors, etc.
It seems like a great beta being rolled out to a captive audience to force the usb-c transition.
No one who bought the 2016 is going to say anything previous was better. Too afraid of buyer's remorse.
After using the 2016, I'm glad I bought the 2015 earlier this year instead of waiting. Would have been so disappointed
After using the 2016, I'm glad I bought the 2015 earlier this year instead of waiting. Would have been so disappointed
Opinions on this forum are highly polarized, which gets very tedious. Some of the responses resort to "I'm rich and famous, so since I like the 16, I must be right." It's getting very childish and silly.
If you aggregate the reviews, it is obvious the 16's are flawed and overpriced, but have great potential as accessories get rolled out, and the bugs worked out, newer processors made available and so on.
macworld has the new models at 3.5 and 4 stars for the nt and touch respectively, which I think are fair. If you factor in price, you could make the case for slightly lower reviews, even.
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The price/performance ratio on the new models is abysmal. Having said that, the 16's are very fun to use!
That's a 2015... Apple still sells it. That's crazy confusing/underhanded on Apple's part - they should clearly note the model year. But that's not how Apple rolls.
Best Buy too, apparently. It really is ridiculous that they don't clearly state that it's a 2015. It makes the whole comparison shopping process kind of a nightmare.
So I guess the question is:
A) 2015/128/8/$1099 (Refurb)
vs.
B) 2015/128/16/$1269 (already on the way from Refurb)
vs.
C) 2016/256/8/$1379 (BB open box)
I don't think I need the 256- I've kept most of my media on externals for years and now that we're in the age of Google Docs, Flickr, Netflix, and Spotify it should be even easier.
But I don't think I need the extra RAM I bought either, since I never do any gaming or video rendering.
So for $280 I get the latest greatest and more storage that I don't really need. But I lose ports.
I'm leaning towards A)
Obnoxious and arrogant comment. Could not wait to see all incoming problems experienced by early adopters coming to the this poster.
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Obnoxious and arrogant comment. Could not wait to see all incoming problems experienced by early adopters coming to the this poster.
Yeah whats up with the superiority complex of the 16 early adopters? It evinces a great deal of insecurity about their purchases, methinks. The 16 is new and definitely fun to play with, but there are significant liabilities there as well.
There are tradeoffs on both sides of the 15/16 ledger but the key difference is that the 15 models are far less expensive with a tiny benchmark gap that won't be noticed in real world use.
The number of comments have dropped off the cliff however, so it seems that most people posting on this forum have already made up their minds one way or the other.
There are tradeoffs on both sides of the 15/16 ledger but the key difference is that the 15 models are far less expensive with a tiny benchmark gap that won't be noticed in real world use.
The number of comments have dropped off the cliff however, so it seems that most people posting on this forum have already made up their minds one way or the other.
Like you, I'm a pretty serious photographer so I calibrate my monitors and that requires turning the brightness way down. Much lower than most folks would use. How is a brighter screen of value?
Oh, I automatically assume everyone is talking about the 15". I honestly have no idea how the nonTB 13" works or compares to the previous one, but from what I gather, the GPU is significantly faster (andt CPUs just don't improve at any noticable rate anymore. so a few % is expected).
As for the 15", the GPU is significantly faster, SSD is twice as fast, RAM is a bit faster and CPU, while only slightly faster, doesn't throttle as much, so even there you get a speed boost. In every way, the 15" is faster than the previous generation, and that's what I meant.
You've prematurely jumped the barrel there. It doesn't take much to see from my posts that I acknowledge faults with the 2016s and espouse the view that whatever works for one person won't work for another - hence my saying I'm happy for the OP. What I don't agree with is the torrent of people stating the 2015 is simply the better machine and then using tenuous anecdotal 'evidence' like dongles/MagSafe/speed assumptions/battery to support the fact as though it's undeniable.
If you take the time to look on here you'll note that in general, it's people with bizarre almost personal gripes against the 2016 model who jump in with massively overblown statements just to justify their purchase of old machines - spin it all you want but the 2015 is an older and slower machine as per all the simultaneous moaning about 'waiting so long for the 2016 and this is all we get' etc. Not to mention the fact that most people are investing in refurbished machines which is in itself not an advantage other than in pricing. None of this even matters if the upgraded components bear no use to you!
On my part, none of these discussions are brought with malice but I'm afraid if someone is free to criticise the purchase of my $3000 2016 machine knowing many like myself have just invested, the converse discussion is perfectly reasonable to provide balance.
Also, chill out.
The problem is, these advantages are in fact undeniable, and are not tenuous or anecdotal. The lack of magsafe is not 'anecdotal.' The need for dongles is not tenuous or anecdotal. The lack of a speed difference is documented through objective benchmarking. The difference in battery life, esp. with the tb is not anecdotal, it's well documented.
These are all indisputable facts documented in multiple objective reviews you can easily find.
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Why would you assume that? The 13" is far more popular.
The dedicated GPU is faster, yes. That's a given.
You have just summed up my point perfectly. The features you raise are undeniably better TO YOU not to everyone. The 2016 is the latest and greatest by definition but perhaps the upgrades don't work for YOU as YOU miss the old components. But YOU are not everyone and the sales of the 2016s and the equally positive reviews for them support this fact.
So, nobody cares about the soldered SSD in 2016 tb models?
The lack of upgrading it, or replacing it, the issue of having your valuable data (personal, commercial, scientific etc) shared with Apple in case of a logic board failure or other damage?
Aren't these serious concerns?
The lack of upgrading it, or replacing it, the issue of having your valuable data (personal, commercial, scientific etc) shared with Apple in case of a logic board failure or other damage?
Aren't these serious concerns?
I don't know what type of shooting you do, but....
1) Calibration is only useful for setting curves/levels.
2) When shooting still life for clients, PP work is easier with a bright display.
3) When shooting at location outdoors, brighter display is a big help.
R.
Imho calibration is a must if you are printing... or just want to see how are your photos in reality, of course, as you have pointed out, this works only indoors and under controlled lighting.
A bright display will help you outdoors a lot but the colour must be judged indoors for any needed corrections.