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Is Apple doomed if the company doesnt release a larger iPhone this year?
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I've been here for a while and I don't know what you're talking about. At least this is a vibrant community where discussion is actually encouraged, unlike Appleinsider where creepy Apple-devotees pat each other on the back and Apple can do no wrong ever.
I don't see how that is any different compared to here. Have you seen xenophobic comments in the MacRumors front page articles when they don't say something positive about Apple? Reminds me of Crackberry.
No they are not. I personally think the 5S should be the same size and the 6 should b a lil wider.
I hope it gets wider next time they decide to up the screen size, It would just look ridiculous making it even longer.
Personally I was considering getting an Iphone 5s when it releases since my contract is ending around that time and I'd like to upgrade from my Droid X. I originally bought it because it had a large screen but really I ended up not really liking it because of how big it was in my pocket. Especially after otter boxing it.
I think what's happening now is all of the people that jumped on the iphone bandwagon have gotten bored with it. It's not hot and fresh anymore. The Samsung is so those same "loyal, always loved apple, fans" will simply cock hop over to Samsung until the next "Big" thing comes out.
It's just an issue of bandwagoners imo.
I think what's happening now is all of the people that jumped on the iphone bandwagon have gotten bored with it. It's not hot and fresh anymore. The Samsung is so those same "loyal, always loved apple, fans" will simply cock hop over to Samsung until the next "Big" thing comes out.
It's just an issue of bandwagoners imo.
To reiterate what i said in another thread, maybe Apple would be best served to copy how they themselves decided to handle the iPad, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air and iMac and have a 4" and 5" version of the iPhone each year. Why not? They apparently thought having two size options for all the above products was a good idea, this would make both the "I want to operate my iPhone with 1 hand" and the "I want a bigger screen or I'm going to seriously look at Android" camps happy and spending their money on Apple products. Or maybe that just makes too much sense.
If you want bigger screen go buy an Ipad, there are people that prefer using phone not 22 inch tv
But what if I want to be able to make a phone call with it? Silly
Sure, this place is biased as well and sometimes people post a load of dumb stuff. If I want consistently good discussion, I'll stick to the Something Awful forums. But still, it's much more tolerable here than at Appleinsider.
Apple is doomed because SJ is no longer with them, not because of not releasing any specific product, JI will drive them down a path of making unusable but pretty products that are works of art rather than usable devices
SJ and JI brought us fantastically designed but usable products, JI alone will bring us useless pretty things.
at least thats my opinion
On the iPhone front , i see WHY apple are reluctant to release a larger screen iPhone,
i Own an iPhone 5 AND an iPad mini, if the iPhone was nearer the Galaxy Note 2 in size, id only own the iPhone, one less sale for apple.
SJ and JI brought us fantastically designed but usable products, JI alone will bring us useless pretty things.
at least thats my opinion
On the iPhone front , i see WHY apple are reluctant to release a larger screen iPhone,
i Own an iPhone 5 AND an iPad mini, if the iPhone was nearer the Galaxy Note 2 in size, id only own the iPhone, one less sale for apple.
They would still have more sales than if you had bought the SGN2 in the first place, i.e. no iPhone, iPad nor hybrid thereof.
As long as the phablet market has a certain size, why would Apple be willing to risk that Samsung gets it all?
It boils down to question who is eating iPhone sales.
Of course, Apple would rather have an Apple product to cannibalise iPhone sales if things go that way.
And this means bigger screen iPhone (4.85 inch (an half of 9.7 iPad with Retina screen) and of course, wider as well.
Same logic applied to iPad mini. iPad mini turned out to be one of real hit products increasing overall iPad sales in one quarter (1st quarter 2013) from 14 to 22 million ipads from last quarter and also 33% up from year before (15 million iPads).
Therefore, iPhone with larger screens and cheaper iPhones (both are an answer to ever cheaper Android and larger screens Android) will come.
And if iPad mini is a good analogy, sales will be up by 33%
if BOTH iPhone budget and iPhone 4.85 inch screen will come, sales should be up by 66%
Seriously speaking, Apple always was creating differentiated lines and iPhone does not seem to be an exempt.
Of course, Apple would rather have an Apple product to cannibalise iPhone sales if things go that way.
And this means bigger screen iPhone (4.85 inch (an half of 9.7 iPad with Retina screen) and of course, wider as well.
Same logic applied to iPad mini. iPad mini turned out to be one of real hit products increasing overall iPad sales in one quarter (1st quarter 2013) from 14 to 22 million ipads from last quarter and also 33% up from year before (15 million iPads).
Therefore, iPhone with larger screens and cheaper iPhones (both are an answer to ever cheaper Android and larger screens Android) will come.
And if iPad mini is a good analogy, sales will be up by 33%
if BOTH iPhone budget and iPhone 4.85 inch screen will come, sales should be up by 66%
Seriously speaking, Apple always was creating differentiated lines and iPhone does not seem to be an exempt.
I don't think Apple is doomed, however I really do think they need to get off their high horse and start looking at what they current offer and have on the drawing board as compared to the competition. I am hoping that with so many new devices coming in the market now that this competition will be healthy for Apple. My concern is that for the most part I think they are just sitting on the success of the early iPhone's, when they had minimal competition.
Don't take me wrong, I love my iPhone 5, however I am concerned that the 5S (assuming that is what they call it) will not be that much better and then it will be another 6-12 months after that before we see anything else.
Don't take me wrong, I love my iPhone 5, however I am concerned that the 5S (assuming that is what they call it) will not be that much better and then it will be another 6-12 months after that before we see anything else.
I have a feeling that June will be really a turning point in the Apple strategy in phones.
Its been 6 years after incredible start of iPhone and Apple taking in most of industry profits. However, the rivals are now making comeback so its a time for updating the strategy. I think that so far Apple was going after profits (just like in early days of Macs). However they learned a precious lesson that volumes and market share matter as well and stale OS is not a good way.
I believe that with a mountain of cash (100 billion dollars or so), they no longer feel the pressure to go after profits only and now will turn their eye to volume. its one of reasons for increased push in China and India (and Chinese reaction to try to defend their local market for likes of Lenovo). Going for volume means cheaper phones. But to protect profit margins, also more expensive Premium iPhone will be introduced.
So my prediction that after June they will go after volume and market share and it means really three things
1. Cheap iPhones (rumored to be for prepaid - I don't think it can be limited to that. Plastic iPhones with 3GS style (actually awesome ones), costs 66% of regular iPhone or 399-429 dollars (remember you heard it here), reasonable CPU and GPU. 4 inch Retina, 5 mp iPhone 4 camera module. No LTE, fingerprint protection, NFC. Big hit in China, India and Brazil (where it will produced by Foxconn) and in other developing countries. Basically, big hit everywhere (think Samsung Galaxy Mini). Multiple colors.
2. Regular iPhone 5S. Regular updates (CPU and GPU). 4 inch screen (maybe wider). 649 dollars.13 mp camera. NFC Apple Handshake protocol. Black/white.
3. New, premium iPhone 6. Faster CPU and GPU, regular updates. 13 mp camera, low light, F/2.0, NCF (Handshake, Apple protocol for Near field file transfer and communications), fingerprint protection, 4.85 inch screen superRetina wide screen. Price of 750 dollars. Wide Stereo 3D sound. Premium glass and steel materials. Resembles iPhone 4S on steroids by design and includes some design elements from iPhone 5. Extra long battery life. Built in pressure sensor (1024 levels).
All come with iOS 7, an awesome reboot with iOS.
Multiple resolutions and ratio support.
NFC support and Apple "Handshake" NFC file transfer protocol.
New notifications center.
Live icons for Messages, Calendar, Clock, Weather and others with variable size.
Programmable standby screen.
Multiple region and language support.
New flat design and therefore, increased GUI speed. Fully animated.
And 200 other improvements
Its been 6 years after incredible start of iPhone and Apple taking in most of industry profits. However, the rivals are now making comeback so its a time for updating the strategy. I think that so far Apple was going after profits (just like in early days of Macs). However they learned a precious lesson that volumes and market share matter as well and stale OS is not a good way.
I believe that with a mountain of cash (100 billion dollars or so), they no longer feel the pressure to go after profits only and now will turn their eye to volume. its one of reasons for increased push in China and India (and Chinese reaction to try to defend their local market for likes of Lenovo). Going for volume means cheaper phones. But to protect profit margins, also more expensive Premium iPhone will be introduced.
So my prediction that after June they will go after volume and market share and it means really three things
1. Cheap iPhones (rumored to be for prepaid - I don't think it can be limited to that. Plastic iPhones with 3GS style (actually awesome ones), costs 66% of regular iPhone or 399-429 dollars (remember you heard it here), reasonable CPU and GPU. 4 inch Retina, 5 mp iPhone 4 camera module. No LTE, fingerprint protection, NFC. Big hit in China, India and Brazil (where it will produced by Foxconn) and in other developing countries. Basically, big hit everywhere (think Samsung Galaxy Mini). Multiple colors.
2. Regular iPhone 5S. Regular updates (CPU and GPU). 4 inch screen (maybe wider). 649 dollars.13 mp camera. NFC Apple Handshake protocol. Black/white.
3. New, premium iPhone 6. Faster CPU and GPU, regular updates. 13 mp camera, low light, F/2.0, NCF (Handshake, Apple protocol for Near field file transfer and communications), fingerprint protection, 4.85 inch screen superRetina wide screen. Price of 750 dollars. Wide Stereo 3D sound. Premium glass and steel materials. Resembles iPhone 4S on steroids by design and includes some design elements from iPhone 5. Extra long battery life. Built in pressure sensor (1024 levels).
All come with iOS 7, an awesome reboot with iOS.
Multiple resolutions and ratio support.
NFC support and Apple "Handshake" NFC file transfer protocol.
New notifications center.
Live icons for Messages, Calendar, Clock, Weather and others with variable size.
Programmable standby screen.
Multiple region and language support.
New flat design and therefore, increased GUI speed. Fully animated.
And 200 other improvements
I have a feeling that June will be really a turning point in the Apple strategy in phones.
Its been 6 years after incredible start of iPhone and Apple taking in most of industry profits. However, the rivals are now making comeback so its a time for updating the strategy. I think that so far Apple was going after profits (just like in early days of Macs). However they learned a precious lesson that volumes and market share matter as well and stale OS is not a good way.
I believe that with a mountain of cash (100 billion dollars or so), they no longer feel the pressure to go after profits only and now will turn their eye to volume. its one of reasons for increased push in China and India (and Chinese reaction to try to defend their local market for likes of Lenovo). Going for volume means cheaper phones. But to protect profit margins, also more expensive Premium iPhone will be introduced.
So my prediction that after June they will go after volume and market share and it means really three things
1. Cheap iPhones (rumored to be for prepaid - I don't think it can be limited to that. Plastic iPhones with 3GS style (actually awesome ones), costs 66% of regular iPhone or 399-429 dollars (remember you heard it here), reasonable CPU and GPU. 4 inch Retina, 5 mp iPhone 4 camera module. No LTE, fingerprint protection, NFC. Big hit in China, India and Brazil (where it will produced by Foxconn) and in other developing countries. Basically, big hit everywhere (think Samsung Galaxy Mini). Multiple colors.
2. Regular iPhone 5S. Regular updates (CPU and GPU). 4 inch screen (maybe wider). 649 dollars.13 mp camera. NFC Apple Handshake protocol. Black/white.
3. New, premium iPhone 6. Faster CPU and GPU, regular updates. 13 mp camera, low light, F/2.0, NCF (Handshake, Apple protocol for Near field file transfer and communications), fingerprint protection, 4.85 inch screen superRetina wide screen. Price of 750 dollars. Wide Stereo 3D sound. Premium glass and steel materials. Resembles iPhone 4S on steroids by design and includes some design elements from iPhone 5. Extra long battery life. Built in pressure sensor (1024 levels).
All come with iOS 7, an awesome reboot with iOS.
Multiple resolutions and ratio support.
NFC support and Apple "Handshake" NFC file transfer protocol.
New notifications center.
Live icons for Messages, Calendar, Clock, Weather and others with variable size.
Programmable standby screen.
Multiple region and language support.
New flat design and therefore, increased GUI speed. Fully animated.
And 200 other improvements
Dear god, I'd kill for this.
I don't really care what Apple do anymore when it comes to phones, after using a Nexus 4 with pure android im not going back to an ios based phone even if it has a 5" screen, not unless some major changes are made with ios7.
I have a feeling that June will be really a turning point in the Apple strategy in phones.
Its been 6 years after incredible start of iPhone and Apple taking in most of industry profits. However, the rivals are now making comeback so its a time for updating the strategy. I think that so far Apple was going after profits (just like in early days of Macs). However they learned a precious lesson that volumes and market share matter as well and stale OS is not a good way.
I believe that with a mountain of cash (100 billion dollars or so), they no longer feel the pressure to go after profits only and now will turn their eye to volume. its one of reasons for increased push in China and India (and Chinese reaction to try to defend their local market for likes of Lenovo). Going for volume means cheaper phones. But to protect profit margins, also more expensive Premium iPhone will be introduced.
So my prediction that after June they will go after volume and market share and it means really three things
1. Cheap iPhones (rumored to be for prepaid - I don't think it can be limited to that. Plastic iPhones with 3GS style (actually awesome ones), costs 66% of regular iPhone or 399-429 dollars (remember you heard it here), reasonable CPU and GPU. 4 inch Retina, 5 mp iPhone 4 camera module. No LTE, fingerprint protection, NFC. Big hit in China, India and Brazil (where it will produced by Foxconn) and in other developing countries. Basically, big hit everywhere (think Samsung Galaxy Mini). Multiple colors.
2. Regular iPhone 5S. Regular updates (CPU and GPU). 4 inch screen (maybe wider). 649 dollars.13 mp camera. NFC Apple Handshake protocol. Black/white.
3. New, premium iPhone 6. Faster CPU and GPU, regular updates. 13 mp camera, low light, F/2.0, NCF (Handshake, Apple protocol for Near field file transfer and communications), fingerprint protection, 4.85 inch screen superRetina wide screen. Price of 750 dollars. Wide Stereo 3D sound. Premium glass and steel materials. Resembles iPhone 4S on steroids by design and includes some design elements from iPhone 5. Extra long battery life. Built in pressure sensor (1024 levels).
All come with iOS 7, an awesome reboot with iOS.
Multiple resolutions and ratio support.
NFC support and Apple "Handshake" NFC file transfer protocol.
New notifications center.
Live icons for Messages, Calendar, Clock, Weather and others with variable size.
Programmable standby screen.
Multiple region and language support.
New flat design and therefore, increased GUI speed. Fully animated.
And 200 other improvements
Apple are very unlikely to make a 'cheap' phone just for the sake of market share. They never like to compromise their products or margins, it would devalue the brand. Also Apple does not tend to make products with every single thing that everybody else already has, so the Premium Phone is unlikely.
Apple likes slow iterations of existing products, and market disruptive technologies in new product types.
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Well, I agree with iteration of existing units and with market disruptive technologies for newer ones.
ipod nano, ipad mini, cheaper ibooks, even mac mini are great examples of market disruption which brought cheaper price, volume sales and market share.
Now its time to disrupt smartphone market, both on higher end and lower end
Your argument ignores the fact that Apple has been offering the iPhone 4S for $99 on contract and the iPhone 4 for free on contract. They've had phones to compete in the cheap-to-free market space for years.
Except he wasn't talking about contract pricing, but the cost of buying the phone outright. I sure wonder who pays 99 bucks for an antiquated 4S on contract when they could buy a state of the art Nexus 4 without a contract for 299.
Only the fanboyiest fanboy prefers a phone that is almost two generations old over a current reference design (though there are admittedly faste Android phones than the Nexus 4).
Well, since you said that only the fanboyist fanboys would, then it must be so!
Jeez, the bizarre logic!
For the record, let it be known that I don't own an iPhone, and my wife owns an HTC One from a little over a year ago. Phones for us aren't hobbies! They're tools. They do a job, and we don't care about bragging rights where phone specs are concerned.
Ask yourself this: if the choice between the iPhone 4S and Nexus 4 phone is ao obvious to all but the fanboyist fanboys, why isn't the Nexus 4 outselling the iPhone 4S?
Good point. I have no idea. I can't imagine the reasoning of someone who buys a 4S today. Maybe they think they're getting off cheap, but they're still entering into an expensive 2 year contract...