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Just because your workloads & workflows are not CPU- or I/O-limited doesn't mean everyone's is. I know mine certainly are.

Out of curiosity, what is your work-flow?

I do 3d graphics and animation on my 2008 MP and it's a beast. The Nehalems would improve render times by about 10-20% tops, depending on which CPU you compare my system to. As a rule, I don't consider an upgrade worth the outlay unless I get speed bump of at least 50% (but really I tend to wait for double the speed) so I guess I'll be using my current system for a while yet.

Not being critical BTW, just curious....I thought I was demanding about system specs.
 
That's nothing.

I waited 514 days for my 2008 Mac Pro. You still have another two months!
Ahhh, I still remember those days of posting in the immensely-large "2008 Mac Pro Speculation" thread. :)

Ahh the good ole days.
I still love my 08MP.
BUT WHERE THE F* IS THE NEW MAC PROS!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
It's supposed to be THE pro machine - keeping up with current technologies. Not something that is a year and a half old and still being touted as the latest and greatest!


Absolute bollox. A "Pro" machine is meant to be stable, proven and tried technology. Not bleeding edge, unstable and no defined direction.

Same reason nobody that works in a serious environment updates to the latest OS whether it be Server or Desktop until at least a couple of OSX patches in.

Anyone with half a brain would know that, actually let me correct that, anyone with a quarter of the brain capacity of a chimp would know that.

Regards,

.Joel
 
Absolute bollox. A "Pro" machine is meant to be stable, proven and tried technology. Not bleeding edge, unstable and no defined direction.

Same reason nobody that works in a serious environment updates to the latest OS whether it be Server or Desktop until at least a couple of OSX patches in.

Anyone with half a brain would know that, actually let me correct that, anyone with a quarter of the brain capacity of a chimp would know that.

Regards,

.Joel

Agreed, a Mac Pro is a workstation designed for commercial business. Latest and greatest is not the primary propose of this type of computer. Running for long periods of time without crashing or corrupting data.
 
Absolute bollox. A "Pro" machine is meant to be stable, proven and tried technology. Not bleeding edge, unstable and no defined direction.

Same reason nobody that works in a serious environment updates to the latest OS whether it be Server or Desktop until at least a couple of OSX patches in.

Anyone with half a brain would know that, actually let me correct that, anyone with a quarter of the brain capacity of a chimp would know that.

Regards,

.Joel

I have to agree with this post. I'll take Pro Tools on an 08 MP with no hesitations. There's a point where "good enough" is good enough. When I say this I'm thinking of all of the radio stations I know of that still use Cool Edit 2; it worked great and it still does the job.

Sure, some people will always want new tech, but there is a ton of stuff the "old" MPs can still do, and do well. Though it's hard to fault somebody for wanting updated technology or lower prices...
 
I have to agree with this post. I'll take Pro Tools on an 08 MP with no hesitations. There's a point where "good enough" is good enough. When I say this I'm thinking of all of the radio stations I know of that still use Cool Edit 2; it worked great and it still does the job.

Sure, some people will always want new tech, but there is a ton of stuff the "old" MPs can still do, and do well. Though it's hard to fault somebody for wanting updated technology or lower prices...

Exactly where I'm at:)
 
Agreed, a Mac Pro is a workstation designed for commercial business. Latest and greatest is not the primary propose of this type of computer. Running for long periods of time without crashing or corrupting data.

Finally, some sense!

OP, you should get to know the product better and its cycles; this interlude won't seem nearly as long.
 
I find it interesting how many childish comments are being made within a thread about a "pro" line of computers. For all of those who feel the need to attack those who are anxiously awaiting an upgrade i simply ask, "why do you even care?" :confused:
 
Why not email Steve Jobs asking about the Mac Pro's future?

Wouldn't surprise me that a mail "Is Apple going to discontinue the Mac Pro"? will be answered by Steve with "We have gr8 products coming this year"


been there, done that, (a few times) . . .nada . . It's like a black hole. .
 
been there, done that, (a few times) . . .nada . . It's like a black hole. .
It would be cool with this reply..."yes new things are coming, were also adding a copy of Autodesk Maya 2011 with the new Quadro FX6100 2TB Display card..."...
Hey I can dream a little ;)
 
We aren't all looking to just show off our shiny new Mac Pro with the latest tecnology, we just don't want to be robbed!

You ungrateful heathen! You'll buy overpriced obsolete machines and YOU'LL LIKE IT!!
 
I don't think anything but a spec change, and maybe a new GPU ...

Looks like Patsburg and Sandy Bridge E are a ways off yet, 2011, so wait til next year.

If the chipset still requires active cooling, a new case design likely will be introduced.
 
I find it interesting how many childish comments are being made within a thread about a "pro" line of computers. For all of those who feel the need to attack those who are anxiously awaiting an upgrade i simply ask, "why do you even care?" :confused:

Childish goes both ways. Not really an attack, but rather a voice of reason, often for preposterous claims.
 
You ungrateful heathen! You'll buy overpriced obsolete machines and YOU'LL LIKE IT!!

That's what I feel like I'm being told by Cupertino. People may say OS X-based pros have other options, but most of them don't.

I don't understand why being professional equates to mindless business decisions. I know that the current machines are obsolete and overpriced, therefore I will wait to get a better value for my money...which, contrary to some views in this thread, is not in unlimited supply.

As for the "bleeding edge isn't the point" argument, I can agree, however it must be noted that new MP buyers will hardly be guinea pigs, considering they will be using processors and parts engineered for stability on what is likely to be the same logic board design.
 
That's what I feel like I'm being told by Cupertino. People may say OS X-based pros have other options, but most of them don't.

I don't understand why being professional equates to mindless business decisions. I know that the current machines are obsolete and overpriced, therefore I will wait to get a better value for my money...which, contrary to some views in this thread, is not in unlimited supply.

As for the "bleeding edge isn't the point" argument, I can agree, however it must be noted that new MP buyers will hardly be guinea pigs, considering they will be using processors and parts engineered for stability on what is likely to be the same logic board design.

:) Excellent post.
 
Absolute bollox. A "Pro" machine is meant to be stable, proven and tried technology. Not bleeding edge, unstable and no defined direction.

Same reason nobody that works in a serious environment updates to the latest OS whether it be Server or Desktop until at least a couple of OSX patches in.

Anyone with half a brain would know that, actually let me correct that, anyone with a quarter of the brain capacity of a chimp would know that.

Regards,

.Joel

Heck I just updated to Leopard about a year ago. Will probably go Snow Leopard and SDD once Final Cut gets updated.
 
Agreed, a Mac Pro is a workstation designed for commercial business. Latest and greatest is not the primary propose of this type of computer. Running for long periods of time without crashing or corrupting data.

did you ever read the mac pro pages on apples website?

'Introducing the new Mac Pro'

'Next-generation Intel architecture.'

'..the new Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” processor boosts performance nearly 2x.'

'A completely new interior makes it even easier to add up to 32GB of memory..'

'Powerful AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards provide the fastest-ever Mac graphics'

that whole page is aimed at 'new' and 'fast'
 
Absolute bollox. A "Pro" machine is meant to be stable, proven and tried technology. Not bleeding edge, unstable and no defined direction.

Same reason nobody that works in a serious environment updates to the latest OS whether it be Server or Desktop until at least a couple of OSX patches in.

Anyone with half a brain would know that, actually let me correct that, anyone with a quarter of the brain capacity of a chimp would know that.

Regards,

.Joel

Well surely you realize workstation class parts are engineered to be "stable" and "proven". Every PC I have made for myself, which generally use "enthusiast" parts run rock solid, 24 hours a day, even under stressful loads (such as HD rendering and processing, programming, whatever).

What you said above sounds like a license for Apple to produce subpar machines, so we can pay a premium for them, and thank them profusely for the opportunity to do so.
 
did you ever read the mac pro pages on apples website?

'Introducing the new Mac Pro'

'Next-generation Intel architecture.'

'..the new Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” processor boosts performance nearly 2x.'

'A completely new interior makes it even easier to add up to 32GB of memory..'

'Powerful AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards provide the fastest-ever Mac graphics'

that whole page is aimed at 'new' and 'fast'

Some people just don't get it though. They don't really have an understanding of hardware, and so just either make things up, or tow the line (even if it's an imagined one and not really congruent with Apple's marketing). Now, I certainly don't hold that against people, there are plenty of topics I am ignorant on. However if one is ignorant on a topic, they shouldn't go around pedantically lecturing about it either.
 
Seems like the OP has disappeared.

I, too, run an '08 MP, 3ghz (8 core)...plenty of RAM and HDD space.

I guess I thought that was the point of the MP...it IS upgradable. If you're in to gaming, you can run Windows through BootCamp and use any graphics card you choose. Also, HDD tech has improved with size and speed...most PCI/PCI Express peripherals will plug right in, including most of the audio and video capture cards.

I'm really, genuinely curious what the OP's workflow is that is so demanding. All I do with mine is processor intensive video work and 3D modeling. We've mixed down plenty of 60 track+ masters...and I'm more than satisfied with the speed of mine.

If there was one concern I'd like addressed, it's the lack of current graphics choices for OSX. Seems like I've read Nvidia and Apple are in cahoots...maybe that has a roll to play. But it would sure be nice, especially with the boost in sales for Mac products, for ATI and nVidia to release "Mac" certified cards once in a while:) Guess the MP market is insignificant enough, this may be a waste of time and resources...and of course, money for the GFX manufacturers.

Other than the advances in graphics and DDR3 RAM, there hasn't been a significant advance in processing...as has been mentioned a couple times in this thread. Hence, the reason we've been waiting, I'm sure. Even the Nahalem upgrade was insignificant for most "single" core optimized software compared to the '08s.

We are still at the mercy of the software developers to continue to program 64bit and multi-core optimized products. Adobe has made the move (including Apple, this time) with the CS5 suite...and hopefully more will follow suit. We've had multi-core processors on the market for a while now!

Again, to the OP...truly, WHAT in the WORLD are you struggling with on your
08 MP that a 400 dollar RAM upgrade or SSD won't fix? Possibly we can help you optimize your system so as not to waste so much of your time...or as you mentioned; "Help you work much, much, much faster" :rolleyes:

J
 
Glad I'm not the only one puzzled by the OP's workflow problems.

New graphics card options would be very welcome indeed. It irks me that Apple deliberately encourage folks into the iMac line in order to sell newer models every few years due to the lack of upgrade options....Especially where GPU's are concerned. Not only is this strategy very environmentally unfriendly, but it means Apple machines running OSX will almost always be behind PC's in GPU technology.
 
That's what I feel like I'm being told by Cupertino. People may say OS X-based pros have other options, but most of them don't.

Cupertino isn't telling you anything. We all know that the Mac Pro can be subject to long update cycles. There are two things that can happen.

1. Apple drops prices over the life of the hardware
2. Apple waits until the necessary hardware is available and release when they decide to

We know 1 is not going to happen, it never has. I can't say it never will, but with no previous examples it is foolish and frankly ridiculous to complain about it. We all know this doesn't happen.

Number 2 will happen, one day. Probably very soon based on previous data and what we know about upcoming hardware.

Back to your first point, Cupertino isn't telling you to do anything. If you want upgraded hardware, then wait until there is upgraded hardware.

I don't understand why being professional equates to mindless business decisions. I know that the current machines are obsolete and overpriced, therefore I will wait to get a better value for my money...which, contrary to some views in this thread, is not in unlimited supply.

Nobody is advocating mindless decisions. You either:

1. Have to buy a new machine now because your current one died, adding on a new employee due to an increase in your base. For some you reason, you need a machine and you need it now.

What you buy is up to you. Maybe the prices are too high and you try out a Dell workstation. Maybe you, like some have suggested here, try out a workstation running some flavor of Linux. Maybe you buy a refund Mac Pro or maybe a brand new one.

What you have to realize is that most businesses aren't sitting on forums clamoring for new hardware. They are working. So if they need a new machine, they get the new machine and continue working. That is how you run a business. If you can drastically increase your client base by adding a new designer/developer/editor spending $2500-$4500 is peanuts and makes business sense. You are still getting a capable and reliable machine while bringing in more money than before.

2. Your current machines are working fine and you don't have an burning need to expand.

Then you can wait it out. No one is telling you to buy. Not me, not Apple, nobody. It is your decision to wait. And indeed, if you are in this position you should wait as the Mac Pro is at the end of its life.

While I can't speak for others, all I am saying is that you either need it or you don't. But I see no reason to post troll threads like this one (which has recently undergone a title change). Talking about what may be coming, posting any tidbit that could shed some light on when or what is great!


As for the "bleeding edge isn't the point" argument, I can agree, however it must be noted that new MP buyers will hardly be guinea pigs, considering they will be using processors and parts engineered for stability on what is likely to be the same logic board design.

You mean like the 09 Audio problem? You don't think those working in the audio industry felt like guinea pigs?

Now, I don't think the new Mac Pros will start falling dead after a few days, but there is always the possibility that some issue could cripple your work. Bleeding edge need not be ever new piece of hardware in one box, but even the smallest change and improper bit of engineering could make the machine worthless.

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Just my 2p....

I am sitting with an '06 Mac Pro and have been watching the rumourmill churn over updated Mac Pros for the past few months.

My Mac Pro still does the job, but the reponse times and render times are starting to get a little on the long side with certain projects i am working on/

I would love to see a 'show of hands' as to how many other Mac Pro users are sitting in my position of not wanting to jump on the '09 Mac Pro wagon with an update imminent... I think we r justifiably pi**ed off that apple have kept their hand close to their chest.

So everyone in here moaning at the people who are angry at the current update secrecy should not jump to the conclusion that we all have recent hardware and are looking to update for the sake of it!
 
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