Is Expose No More...?

[BlackMangoTree]

It can be frustrating when the new way is much slower and half baked.

In SL i never had to use the dock. Now having to right click every app individually is so cumbersome and slow. For me a huge step backwards.

 

[mrapplegate]

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Right click on the icon in the dock and select show all windows or press F10 (may need fn-f10 depending on your keyboard settings). Minimized windows are shown smaller than non minimized ones in this view

It can be frustrating when the new way is much slower and half baked.

In SL i never had to use the dock. Now having to right click every app individually is so cumbersome and slow. For me a huge step backwards.

Like Phil A. said you can use F10. No dock right clicking needed if that was your concern.

 

[BlackMangoTree]

@mrapplegate, I'll try explain it better, i have bad English.

If you minamise 5 applications to your dock how can you have all the windows to them applications show on screen like you can in SL with "All Application Windows" function in expose.

 

[BlackMangoTree]

Like Phil A. said you can use F10. No dock right clicking needed if that was your concern.

f10 does not do what I'm after.

 

[mrapplegate]

@mrapplegate, I'll try explain it better, i have bad English.

If you minamise 5 applications to your dock how can you have all the windows to them applications show on screen like you can in SL with All Application Windows function in expose.

No problem. I'm not a writer
Lets take Safari for example. If I have 10 windows open or minized F10 will show all windows for that app. If you want to look at all use mission control or command-tab to another app and use F10 to look at it's open windows.

 

[BlackMangoTree]

There are ways to display the windows indiviually for one app at the time, this is so slow and frustrating.

It's a shame they took this feature from SL and dropped it in Lion. I honestly don't know how I'm going to deal with out it. This has totally buggered up my work flow.

 

[mrapplegate]

There are ways to display the windows indiviually for one app at the time, this is so slow and frustrating.

It's a shame they took this feature from SL and dropped it in Lion. I honestly don't know how I'm going to deal with out it. This has totally buggered up my work flow.

Understandable. Change is hard to adjust to.

 

[Mac iAm]

There are ways to display the windows indiviually for one app at the time, this is so slow and frustrating.

It's a shame they took this feature from SL and dropped it in Lion. I honestly don't know how I'm going to deal with out it. This has totally buggered up my work flow.

I agree with Mango. It looks like minimized apps do not show up in expose or mission control. I hope they bring that back in the final build.

 

[RT2020]

There are ways to display the windows indiviually for one app at the time, this is so slow and frustrating.

It's a shame they took this feature from SL and dropped it in Lion. I honestly don't know how I'm going to deal with out it. This has totally buggered up my work flow.

Then don't upgrade.

I haven't seen any compelling reasons to upgrade to Lion. Now I have another reason NOT to upgrade.

 

[cherfizzle]

Please answer

So i do not have a trackpad.

When you go into Mission Control with 5 Safari windows open...
You want to SPREAD THEM OUT like i saw in the keynote...
They use a quick GESTURE... A SWIPE.

I figured you could use the scroller on the Magic Mouse or something.
But you CAN'T.
Anyone know a way around this without a damn trackpad?

They've gone too far now giving laptops such an advantage..
Im poor and will never get one.

 

[Mac iAm]

So i do not have a trackpad.

When you go into Mission Control with 5 Safari windows open...
You want to SPREAD THEM OUT like i saw in the keynote...
They use a quick GESTURE... A SWIPE.

I figured you could use the scroller on the Magic Mouse or something.
But you CAN'T.
Anyone know a way around this without a damn trackpad?

They've gone too far now giving laptops such an advantage..
Im poor and will never get one.

Try better touch tool. I believe it will let you set up custom gestures for the magic mouse

 

[Phil A.]

So i do not have a trackpad.

When you go into Mission Control with 5 Safari windows open...
You want to SPREAD THEM OUT like i saw in the keynote...
They use a quick GESTURE... A SWIPE.

I figured you could use the scroller on the Magic Mouse or something.
But you CAN'T.
Anyone know a way around this without a damn trackpad?

They've gone too far now giving laptops such an advantage..
Im poor and will never get one.

That's App Expose (show App Windows) and F10 on the keyboard does the same thing

 

[cherfizzle]

Try better touch tool. I believe it will let you set up custom gestures for the magic mouse

deff.. will check that out. updated for Lion?

That's App Expose (show App Windows) and F10 on the keyboard does the same thing

no its not the same..
if you watch the keynote it spreads them out while staying in mission control so you can just see them a little better.
every review of mission control shows it and addresses it.

"You can quick look windows for a closer peek before opening them entirely, as well as spread out windows from a specific application with a multitouch gesture." - http://lifehacker.com/5770609/screenshot-and-feature-tour-of-mac-os-107-lion

 

[cksubs]

If you want to see every window of every app use mission control.
If I'm misunderstanding your point, please explain.

What I'm asking is if there's a way to see "every window of every app" **without** it first grouping all the windows into stacks of applications.

Basically, I want classic Expose from OS X Leopard and below. I want to set a hotcorner to show this immediately:

Is this functionality still in Lion?

 

[mrapplegate]

What I'm asking is if there's a way to see "every window of every app" **without** it first grouping all the windows into stacks of applications.

Basically, I want classic Expose from OS X Leopard and below. I want to set a hotcorner to show this immediately:


Is this functionality still in Lion?

You can assign Mission Control or Application windows to a hot corner. I don't think Apple will be able to please everyone with this topic. So your hot corner can either show Application windows, which I'm going to call old exposé or Mission control, Apple's new exposé. There is no way Apple can please everyone with this move.

 

[cksubs]

You can assign Mission Control or Application windows to a hot corner. I don't think Apple will be able to please everyone with this topic. So your hot corner can either show Application windows, which I'm going to call old exposé or Mission control, Apple's new exposé. There is no way Apple can please everyone with this move.

Thanks. Would you be able to post pics of the results of hitting those hotcorners?

So:
1. Open 3 Safari windows
2. Open 3 Finder windows
3. Open some other windows
4. Set active app to Safari

Hit "Mission Control" hotcorner, take pic

Hit "Application Windows" hotcorner, take pic

Hit "Desktop" hotcorner, take pic

I'd also be interested in what "Mission Control" does when ONLY the 3 Safari windows are open.

 

[cksubs]

Also, "All Windows" Expose was present in an early Lion beta build:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12712949/

Based on the hack that allowed old-style Leopard Expose in Snow Leopard, I'm hopeful that means we'll be able to get "All Windows" in Lion no matter what the final build ships with.

 

[mrapplegate]

Thanks. Would you be able to post pics of the results of hitting those hotcorners?

So:
1. Open 3 Safari windows
2. Open 3 Finder windows
3. Open some other windows
4. Set active app to Safari

Hit "Mission Control" hotcorner, take pic

Hit "Application Windows" hotcorner, take pic

Hit "Desktop" hotcorner, take pic

I'd also be interested in what "Mission Control" does when ONLY the 3 Safari windows are open.

There is no need to post pics. When Safari is the active app moving the mouse to Application windows shows every Safari window.
When Desktop is picked, your desktop from space 1 is shown. Mission control does just that, shows mission control. The finder is only shown in Mission Control. Application windows only shows the windows from the current app. It's not that complicated.

 

[cksubs]

There is no need to post pics. When Safari is the active app moving the mouse to Application windows shows every Safari window.
When Desktop is picked, your desktop from space 1 is shown. Mission control does just that, shows mission control. The finder is only shown in Mission Control. Application windows only shows the windows from the current app. It's not that complicated.

The things that pics would help with:

1. Is "Application Windows" expose the _grid based_ expose from Snow Leopard? Or the _spatial_ expose from Leopard and older versions of OS X?

2. What does Mission Control look like when only one app is open?

3. What did "All Windows" look like in that earlier beta build? (from that link to the thread I posted)

 

[BlackMangoTree]

Mission Control is a step backwards, Apple **** me trying to turn their desktops into ios's.

There is simply no way to show all application windows, totally sucks.

 

[mrapplegate]

The things that pics would help with:

1. Is "Application Windows" expose the _grid based_ expose from Snow Leopard? Or the _spatial_ expose from Leopard and older versions of OS X?

2. What does Mission Control look like when only one app is open?

3. What did "All Windows" look like in that earlier beta build? (from that link to the thread I posted)

1. Grid based.
2. Mission control shows your desktops/Spaces up top, and the finder as well as your one open app. If Safari has more than one window open they are all shown.
3. I don't have an earlier build as I have updated everything to DP4.

 

[mrapplegate]

Mission Control is a step backwards, Apple **** me trying to turn their desktops into ios's.

There is simply no way to show all application windows, totally sucks.

This debate is like the Rosetta one. Things change. Lion's mission control and the sub controls available via hot corners or pressing F10 in the current app will satisfy most people. There will never be a OS that pleases everyone.

 

[cksubs]

If Safari has more than one window open they are all shown.

So the Safari windows are shown "spread out" and individually clickable?

What if you have 2 finder windows open, 2 safari windows open. Make the windows really small. Can you ever invoke Mission Control and have all 4 windows individually selectable? No app grouping.

Basically at what point does Mission Control start grouping things into app bundles?

 

[wikus]

What I'm asking is if there's a way to see "every window of every app" **without** it first grouping all the windows into stacks of applications.

Basically, I want classic Expose from OS X Leopard and below. I want to set a hotcorner to show this immediately:

Image

Is this functionality still in Lion?

Im curious about this.... BUT

Does lion display windows like this for a single application? I usually have 3-8 documents open in photoshop and switch between them via expose but ONLY display photoshop documents.

 

[BlackMangoTree]

This debate is like the Rosetta one. Things change. Lion's mission control and the sub controls available via hot corners or pressing F10 in the current app will satisfy most people. There will never be a OS that pleases everyone.

Hot corners or f10 will not reproduce the function that are available in Snow Leopard. Why remove functionality, i see no reason what soever. It seems that want to turn their desktops into ios's.

Lion at it stands now has very poor window management. This is one area Apple can take some advice from MS