It sounds as if that functionality (application expose) is definitely in. Unfortunately it's the grid-based version from Snow Leopard, not the spatial version from Leopard.
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Is Expose No More...?
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It sounds as if that functionality (application expose) is definitely in. Unfortunately it's the grid-based version from Snow Leopard, not the spatial version from Leopard.
This definitely is a step back. Leopard's "All" and "App" expose modes were PERFECT. It's slowly been getting worse ever since.
this could be easily solved if apple gave its consumers CHOICE. something theyve never been comfortable with.
how difficult is it to give us the option to revert back to old expose, or keep expose as an extended method of display windows?
Yes, in mission control with one app open(Safari) and it has multiple windows open you can choose a Safari window. The finder is shown as well, but you can't close that only relaunch it. If there are multiple finder windows, you can also choose one.
If the Safari windows are minimized, only the active ones are able to be selected in mission control.
I don't know what Apple's thoughts are but I don't have a problem with the process. Your choice is simple, buy or not buy.
I can have 15 windows open at any one time and have 8 minimised, there is simply no way to show them all on screen at once. like in SL. SUper Huge step backwards.
MISSION FAILED!!!!
MISSION FAILED!!!!
It always groups windows from the same app together. You can hover over a window and press space to quick view it and you can also separate the windows out a bit with a gesture (thanks to cherfizzle for pointing that out above): On the magic mouse its a swipe upwards.
I actually prefer the new way as it keeps things easier to find: With the old all windows expose it could be difficult to find anything if you had a lot of small windows. With the new one, you can quickly identify the app you are interested in and then zero in on the specific window you want
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I've just dug out an old mighty mouse, and you can also spread the windows out by hovering over them and scrolling up, so it doesn't seem like you have to have a multi-touch device to get all the functionality
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Progress is about moving forward. I think it gets to a point where you can't move forward and always give people choices to stay in the past. Just my opinion since I don't think Mission control or that lack of an old style Exposé will hinder my daily workflow.
I don't get people who have the "Apple can do whatever they want to do with their software, users don't have to buy it" mentality. Not just with Apple, but for any company. I love reviewing things, complaining about things, etc. Seems strange when people don't have a preference, are just ok with whatever is given to them. Not an insult, I just don't get it.
Anyway, can anyone confirm what I'm asking about "at what point does it start grouping windows into app bundles?"
For example, can I have 3 apps, containing 8 total windows, and it will still show all windows spread out?
But then when I add a 9th window it will start grouping things into app bundles?
Could someone post a screenshot of Mission Control **without** app grouping?
With no way of displaying all windows including minimised windows for me this is huge step backwards just like when they removed the list view from folder in the dock in Leopard. Due to so many complaints that had to re-add the feature. Why on earth remove features.
As I said above, Mission control always groups windows from the same app that are on the same screen / desktop together in the "all windows" view. All App windows is a separate view and shows all the windows from a specific app spread out
Thats really stupid. If im working with 5+ documents, i dont want to see thumbnails, i want to know which document to go to.
Progress is also not fixing things that aren't broken. You can see already the amount of dissatisfaction for mission control. This will only increase once lion goes public. Apple pulled a similar stunt with list view folders when put into the dock. They eventually brought it back.
Ok, mrapplegate seemed to be saying something different. It's the overlapping part that I find so weird. Wish it would separate the windows out, when there's room.
The advantage of Mission control grouping windows together into apps is that the windows tend to be bigger (as there isn't as many to fit onto the "grid"). You can easily spread the windows from an app out to see them all clearly and quick view one or open it.
Mission control is definitely different to expose and some things (such as no minimized windows showing in all window view, which may just be a bug) are slightly annoying but I personally think it's a big improvement over expose in SL
Like i said earlier, mission control needs more OPTIONS. I want and pretty much NEED expose to run just like it does in Snow Leopard. Its the best way for me to be productive. Mission Control is going to be extremely counter productive.
I think you're getting confused between All Windows view (i.e. Mission control, the replacement for all windows expose) and All app windows view.
The first is the desktop overview that groups app windows together. They are overlapped but you can spread them out with the mouse (scroll wheel / ball or swipe up) or touchpad and you can also quickview them
The second shows all windows from a specific application and shows minimized windows as thumbnails below all non-minimized windows. This view never overlaps windows
Debatable as well
I feel for all those that are annoyed at Apple and only time will tell if it gets changed. It is all about percentages. How many people are truly inconvenienced by the change?.
F10 (or fn-F10 if you don't have "use all F1, F2 etc. keys as standard function keys" set in keyboard prefs) when you are in an application
Yeah, exactly. This is good familiar behavior, a holdover from Snow Leopard.
I think the main complaint in this topic is that this view now only exists for a single application at a time. No way to do it for all open windows.
This makes it even worse if you minimise windows into application icon there is simply no way to display them. So one has no idea what windows they have. Apple have completely screwed up here.
One can hope the functionality is restored in the final release of Lion.
One can hope the functionality is restored in the final release of Lion.
This one seems more like a bug to me. It'll probably make it in to the final version.
It does - have a look at the attached screenshot. The five windows at the bottom are minimized ones and the three larger ones are non-minimized
