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Is it morally acceptable to abuse a generous returns policy?
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im so discouraged.
you really believe people reading this thread will change their behavior because some random internet keyboard jockey thinks its selfish to buy multiple mbps to test? please.
here are more rocks to throw around in your glass house.
betcha the MAJORITY of those YouTube unboxing videos, are products that are returned. I have no issue buying a Apple Official Refurb. Infact, I've done it for several iMacs, MacBooks, iPods etc over the years, I imagine most of these are pretty much products that have been "Unboxed"
its probably because in that Market there was a problem of people returning devices with fake components in them...
that screwed it up for everyone else..
It was a problem in the Chinese Market a few years back..
Chinese fraudsters scammed Apple out of free iPhone parts
Apple's warranty policy was badly abused by fraudsters in China back in 2013, according to a report from The Information. In an elaborate scheme, rings of thieves would purchase iPhones and immediately return them to Apple's Store in Shenzhen, claiming they were broken. In reality, they had...
www.engadget.com
Firstly the idea that if we took away the returns policy somehow the prices of anything would go down is ridiculous and wrong. That would never happen all it would mean is Apple would increase its profits end of that story.
I do think some people are ridiculous that go through 5+ phones to find a perfect screen and stuff like that but I don’t see a problem with it if you have a genuine issue it takes that ******** dealing with some shop person that couldn’t care if you got what you wanted which is why I paid 10 times the cost of a cheap phone to get an iPhone so yeah I want the policy and I want it left in place .
I do think some people are ridiculous that go through 5+ phones to find a perfect screen and stuff like that but I don’t see a problem with it if you have a genuine issue it takes that ******** dealing with some shop person that couldn’t care if you got what you wanted which is why I paid 10 times the cost of a cheap phone to get an iPhone so yeah I want the policy and I want it left in place .
The fate of us as a species is the sum of more than just my decision to return a Mac within the 14 day window. Or, given I've never actually returned a product to Apple, perhaps you're suggesting that's why society hasn't collapsed?
I think the moral issue here is a false choice. Your decision to contribute (or not) to the avalanche of consumerism that negatively impacts the planet (and arguably our culture) is so inconsequential that it’s not worth your mental struggle. You can’t stop climate change alone and try as we might we will never make a difference as individuals.
Go ahead, drive a monster truck to work, throw your plastic in the ocean, and leave your lights on 24/7. None of your individual positive or negative impact will stop the nose dive we’re already in. I’ve heard it said numerous times that the idea that ‘we can make a difference with small, individual lifestyle changes’ is actually an idea peddled by fossel fuels companies, although I have no sources to back it up except all those TV ads by BP, shell, etc.
Point is, in order to stop planetary disaster we need to make national and international changes—government level changes. As long as it makes more economic sense to harm the planet, companies and individuals in mass will continue to choose what’s worse for the planet. We need governments to put their hands on the balances to change the course we are on. Kurzgesagt recently made a great video discussing this idea (they cite their sources).
As for causing longer shipping times, other people who were late to the ordering process will wait all the same—you didn’t force them to order when they did and they could’ve been more proactive if they didn’t want to wait.
So is it morally wrong to use a return policy generously? If it helps you make a decision you’re happy with, then absolutely not. If you have no intention to buy anything in the first place, then yeah I’d say that’s a pretty lame thing to do… but I don’t think you fall in that camp.
TL;DR: No
Go ahead, drive a monster truck to work, throw your plastic in the ocean, and leave your lights on 24/7. None of your individual positive or negative impact will stop the nose dive we’re already in. I’ve heard it said numerous times that the idea that ‘we can make a difference with small, individual lifestyle changes’ is actually an idea peddled by fossel fuels companies, although I have no sources to back it up except all those TV ads by BP, shell, etc.
Point is, in order to stop planetary disaster we need to make national and international changes—government level changes. As long as it makes more economic sense to harm the planet, companies and individuals in mass will continue to choose what’s worse for the planet. We need governments to put their hands on the balances to change the course we are on. Kurzgesagt recently made a great video discussing this idea (they cite their sources).
As for causing longer shipping times, other people who were late to the ordering process will wait all the same—you didn’t force them to order when they did and they could’ve been more proactive if they didn’t want to wait.
So is it morally wrong to use a return policy generously? If it helps you make a decision you’re happy with, then absolutely not. If you have no intention to buy anything in the first place, then yeah I’d say that’s a pretty lame thing to do… but I don’t think you fall in that camp.
TL;DR: No
Ha, that was random! I think I've made my point clear enough, for anyone who wants to see it.
Because people behave in ways that affect the rest of us, of course.
Same kind of argument used against other kinds of personal responsibility, and in favor of a wide variety of crime and other behavior that harms others. If everything thinks as you do, society falls apart, quickly.
Morality is so subjective that I don’t know that anyone could really define if this is or isn’t. It’s not something I would personally do intentionally (ordering two and returning the one I didn’t like, that is) but I would say one could argue if the policy doesn’t specifically outline this scenario or describe what intents are valid or not to use it, its within the realm of rules established. At that point it’s just a person utilizing a service offered at the end of the day. Sure the intent probably isn’t to do it this way, but if apple themselves aren’t policing it or saying not to… why not? Again, not something I would do so maybe it’s personally against my morals? I don’t know. But morality is so subjective we could even argue the morality of capitalism in general. Nothing we partake in is necessarily 100% moral.
q the morality thought police who'll tell you that your kind is the reason society is falling apart
where's my popcorn
As long as you are not profiting financially off returns (e.g., YouTubers who buy items and return them after reviewing them), I don't see any issue with returning an item that you are not happy with. Spending thousands of dollars on a computer is a serious investment, and Apple has a refurbishment program that will still allow them to make generous profits off even the refurbished items. Apple is not a startup company, and they have really high profit margins.
Like credit card processing fees, free shipping and warranty repairs, returns are a cost of doing business and are built into the price you pay. If you genuinely think you will like something and end up unhappy with your purchase send it back without regret.
And f all those COP 26 **sswipes that brought their entourages, motorcades and jets to their annual do as I say not as I do event.
No more weird than people obsessing about whether a computer scores 7035 or 7038 on some geeky test?.
But you can see the colours on the web, and for RAM and storage you can figure out what you want before ordering…. so all you’re doing is stopping someone else getting a machine as soon as you. Or rather stopping several people getting a machine as soon as you ?