So, anyway, the enlightened and the unenlightened aren't going to reach any common understanding here.
Can we get back to the kissing discussion? Or is this thread dead?
Edit: and it isn't because I'm not enjoying the enlightenment deal. I just want to see the thread back on course if possible, now that there's not going to be any agreement on the other topic... but I'd welcome a thread on it, if we can still play relatively nice.