Is Lion lining up to be a disaster for Apple?

[neteng101]

As excited as I was to get it, now having seen and tried it, I'm afraid all I can say is, by Apple's standards, the execution and design changes make Lion a POS. Haven't seen anything new to like really, and some stuff/changes that annoy instead. One sad bunny.

Sure there are hiccups going between releases, but it was mostly app compatibility and such going Leopard -> SL. The OS design changes actually worked.

Considering doing a Time Machine restore right now.

 

[ihonda]

i love lion, but there are some small issues...

i can't seem to access my hard drive from wdtv live now..

coupons.com app doesn't work altho coupons.com customer service claims it does.

safari needs to be updated, sick of reopening all my tabs every time i close/open browser.

1password needs to be updated for safari.

it does make my macbook pro run a little hotter then snow leopard did but thats fine too.

its super speedy and its great!

 

[applesith]

i love lion, but there are some small issues...

i can't seem to access my hard drive from wdtv live now..

coupons.com app doesn't work altho coupons.com customer service claims it does.

safari needs to be updated, sick of reopening all my tabs every time i close/open browser.

1password needs to be updated for safari.

it does make my macbook pro run a little hotter then snow leopard did but thats fine too.

its super speedy and its great!

Lion is re-indexing all of your drives. This is common.

 

[applesith]

Thanks for the responses everyone.

I do appreciate that this is a .0 release and there will of course be bugs.

I am just surprised that they are in some of the headline features.

Someone posted that there are hundreds of thousands who have downloaded it and won't care or know any different. However those who frequent forums like this seem to be finding a fair few issues.

There is lots of it that works, but some major parts that are a bit wonky, especially considering there is a relatively small hardware mix.

Things like the mission control windows sitting on top of desktop spaces, etc is not great and show have been fixed before a GM, especially if it is a well know issue.

Windows 8 is a fair way off, so delaying Lion another month or two to make sure it was "right" would have been time well spent. Although I guess the release of Mac mini, Air, etc forces the hand a bit.

Is it too much to ask to activate Mission Control and it work as described? I think not

wah wah wah. no1cur. Nothing is perfect out the gate, but Lion is pretty damn good.

 

[aussie_geek]

People have forgotten that this is the only " real new" OS from apple for a few years. Snow leopard was just a feature update and add-on. This has heaps of new stuff under the hood.

It is equivalent to a Tiger --> Leopard type of upgrade.

Within a month, many of the bugs will be squashed and it will all be good.

As long as your files are all still there , its a good thing. For those who have NOT upgraded, I would advise to mirror your drive before you install just in case...

 

[wase4711]

The more I play with Lion, the more I like it..

you GOTTA have the trackpad with this OS; the gestures are really nice, and, since I have carpal, its a welcome break to be swiping and sliding a lot instead of "mousing"..

 

[LizKat]

The operating system is a bit buggy but that's not what gets me. It's some of the decisions they made which aren't bugs, they are OS changes. That's something they won't change unless there is a huge backlash. What gets me is that as I read these reviews, does nobody see some of these issues? Like the gestures...how does all the reviews LOVE the gestures but a lot of people in these boards HATE them.

It makes me wonder if some of these reviews need to go because their fanboy manner is really ruining in what I expected was a good and honest review. They are just a bunch of old farts disconnected from the real people who use these tools everyday.

LOL a new OS had better have some changes in it, else why bring it to the marketplace? Some people complained about Snow Leopard being more or less like Leopard. Now some people are complaining that Lion is not like Snow Leopard?

The new gestures make sense if you think about them; we had to redefine "normal" to our brain to accept the old ones to begin with. However, if do you think about them, and try the new ones for a few days and still don't like them, you can change back how it works for you in Lion. Some reviewers have said the transition to liking the new gestures takes a couple days. "A couple days" in the era of instant messaging is possibly a challenge, or maybe just an annoyance, but some worthwhile things actually do take time.

As far as reviews go: I might disagree with other people's impressions of something I'm interested in learning more about, but I wouldn't want NOT to hear their opinions. I wasn't born knowing a damn thing about Lion and I wasn't given a review copy and I wasn't a developer or beta tester. So I like to hear what lots of people think about it. Then I know more about what I personally will be looking for, and looking out for.

I'm one of the old farts, so I feel free to offer this suggestion: don't let your brain get fossilized too soon. It's okay to try something and then decide not to keep using it, but it's stultifying to refuse to bring an open mind when you try new things. Trying new things is how we got from the Wright brothers to the moon, with a lot of great spinoffs in the meantime. Where would we be by now if we had all decided that the only way to fly is to flap our wings? Back with Icarus, sun melting the wax off our feathers...

Finally: I use my Macs every day. I care about the interfaces of the hardware and software, and software with other software. So do most people on these boards or they would not be hanging out here today. Sure, there could be some anti-Apple trolls, and there could also be some people who would kiss a toad if it had a tiny Apple logo on its nose, but it's easy to sort that stuff out. There will always be honest differences over software, hardware and the price of either. It's what drives development of the next big thing. On balance it looks as though Lion is a keeper, so I'm happy for all of us, and for Apple too.

 

[bjett92]

It has a 5 star rating in the App Store after 6,500 reviews. I would say so far it seems most people are liking it. It took me a while to get used to the new features and changes, but now that I have used it all day, I'm actually starting to like it.

 

[markfreeborn]

Lion... DOA- Major malfunctions

It may well be that single system owners cannot even use their computers. My first attempt on my iMac would not install with my Gdrive (2Tb) connected. Fair enough, the OS wants a "clean" environment to write to. Unplugged my drive (FW/800 and all USB peripherals) and the install seemed to go pretty smooth. After booting up, and because an Apple Tech suggested it, I checked for updates (iTunes and two others ?). After the install, and shutting down then powering up, my 27" screen went nuts. Rolling raster that looked to me like a blown interface card or in this case a GPU chip.

Off to the Genius Bar in the morning with a totally trashed iMac... Core i7, 12Gb ram, 1Tb drive, built late fall 2010. This and a MBP were my return to apple, after finally giving up on, yes you guessed... the mighty M. It is just to much of a coincedence that I had a hardware failure at the exact same time I was going through the OS upgrade.

So there may be and I emphasize "may" be people who are computerless!!!

 

[Drunken Master]

To compare Lion to Vista is just ignorance on your part.

I really don't think it's that outlandish a comparison.

When I went from XP to Vista, it was cool at first...but I wanted to go back to XP soon enough.

I just went from SL to Lion...and I'm ready to go crawling back to SL tomorrow.

 

[steve knight]

anyone having problems with websites? in crome trying to use some sits I am getting only text. my wells fargo account in safari one of the drop down menus won't work. some sites I can't click on the link in crome. one some sites in safari when I scroll back I get the message do I want to submit the form again but it is a page with no forms.

 

[soldierblue]

Most of the third-party programs I use have at least minor stability issues. Look at Guitar Rig 4. It's totally unusable whenever you load up the 64-bit kernel, worked fine with the 64-bit kernel in 10.6, now I've gotta force 32-bit and even then it crashes constantly.

 

[macbook pro i5]

Lion has only been on the Mac App Store for a few hours, but already this and other websites are being flooded with posts from people who are experiencing an array of issues with Lion.

And its not just typical installation queries or learning the quirks of a new system. These are issues with the highlight features of the OS, such as Mission Control.

In October 2010, at the "Back to the mac" event, Apple publicly unveiled Lion with it's headline features. There has been several developers releases through 2011, climaxing in a GM seed a couple of weeks ago.

What has gone wrong in the year since, that there are still major bugs in Lion.

Apple has built a reputation on the cliche of "it just works", but clearly in this case "it just doesn't!"

Of course 10.7.1, 10.7.2, etc will come, and the fixes will be made, but that drags it in the direction of a certain Redmond OS beginning with V. It started off limping and eventually after many months of patches and fixes became an ok OS.

Apple have missed an opportunity here to put more clearwater between themselves and Microsoft, but time is now going to be wasted fixing Lion. In those precious months, Windows 8 will start to show itself and gather interest.

Another issue is that iOS 5 and iCloud are scheduled for the fall, but will Lion be ready to seamlessly fuse with them, or will those releases expose more holes in the fence.

What are your thoughts on Lion as an issue for Apple. Will it cause damage?

hmm i had no problems with the gm let alone the public realese

 

[eifer]

I just installed Lion.. Absolutely flawless so far, and I love the changes. Great job Apple!

 

[frito1224]

lion is awesome on my late 07 imac, but my wifes late 06 imac is another story it crashes frequently seems like a total disaster for the oldest model lion will run on

 

[sofasurfer]

I have no real bug issues with Lion but I hate what they have done to the Expose button. I have multiple web pages open at any time and previously the Expose button would show all of my open windows. Now with Lion they are all grouped together under one page and I either have to hold-click on the Chrome app icon and click 'show all windows' or ctrl-F3 on the keyboard. It's nowhere near as intuitive and really is a step back for me.

 

[xraydoc]

I've been playing with Lion for about 8 hours now on my mid-2010 27" Core i7 iMac.

So far it seems to be running as well as expected - fast, smooth and stable so far. A couple of minor app incompatibilities - smaller apps like the Air Display driver application (for the iPad app) still need updating. Pixelmater, Nisus Writer, Parallels and Omnigraffle Pro all had updates available and waiting to bring Lion compatibility.

The only major issue I have with Lion is the firmware for Drobo FS and DroboPro FS devices are incompatible with Lion's Time Machine (something regarding the version of some Linux file transfer protocol they use). This means I can't use my big Drobo FS array as a Time Machine backup device for my Lion machines until Drobo gets around to updating their firmware.

The NAS otherwise still works fine for data storage, but just not for Time Machine until it's updated.

An email to Drobo tech support was answered very promptly, though unfortunately they said they have to ETA as to when the firmware update will be available.

So for now, I've had to switch my iMac and my wife and kids' MacBooks to a firewire drive for Time Machine rather than the Drobo FS NAS.

 

[tekboi]

So far, so good with me. There were two apps that were incompatible with Lion that I have... and these were no biggie. That's pretty good IMO for a .0 day release. And start-up seems to be a little bit SLOW in my opinion. When booting up. A lot of apps start freezing. The boot-up time w/ lion sucks IMO.

On the other hand, what i'm concerned about is how apple is continuing to cut out the professional market. But i'll save that for another thread.

 

[njvan]

I don't think so. I think it's going to be a great OS! My only concern was "natural" scrolling turned on by default. That will throw a lot of people. Lion should probably have defaulted to a Safari page that has a list of "What's Changed" like what Firefox does when I update that browser.

 

[DreamscapeRuins]

No problems here. I installed it on both my Machines this morning, and its installing on my Moms machine now.

But in all honesty, I'm not surprised people are complaining about it. Its natural. When something new releases, and things change, people complain. It'll die down in a few weeks. People had complaints about SL too, when it was first launched.

Its a brand new OS. Its silly to think that it would be released with zero issues what so ever.

 

[gnagy]

But in all honesty, I'm not surprised people are complaining about it. Its natural.

It's so natural in fact that even the scrolling is natural now.

 

[Reaktor5]

A few quirks. Some oddities with third party software but those will be fixed with updates in the coming weeks. Pretty solid for a 10.7.0.

A few gripes:
Mission control is just annoying. I wish there was an option to revert back to Snow Leopard style expose to see all windows laid out in a grid. If you have 3 or 4 Finder windows open, you can't see which is which. It does a great job of showing you what applications are open but fails at showing you the individual windows within a specific application.

Launchpad - I haven't even used and probably won't.

Wish some of the gestures in Snow Leopard were still an option as well. Three-finger swipe to navigate back and forward I used constantly. I also used the four-finger swipe up to show the desktop. These are easily fixed with BetterTouchTool though. I also wish there was a way to turn repeating letters on instead of bringing up the character dialog.

The cartoony/cheesy UI of iCal and Address Book is an eyesore, again, I wish Apple included an option to turn that off. I'm not a fan of the boring grey sidebar icons either. There's a big difference between simplicity and dull.

 

[smiddlehurst]

What has gone wrong in the year since, that there are still major bugs in Lion.

Apple has built a reputation on the cliche of "it just works", but clearly in this case "it just doesn't!"

Of course 10.7.1, 10.7.2, etc will come, and the fixes will be made, but that drags it in the direction of a certain Redmond OS beginning with V. It started off limping and eventually after many months of patches and fixes became an ok OS.

What are your thoughts on Lion as an issue for Apple. Will it cause damage?

My thoughts are you're over-reacting to what are, frankly, some fairly minor bug reports. Let's deal with the Vista nonsense first though as that's getting chucked around a lot recently. The reason Vista has such a terrible reputation is, simply, that it was horribly broken on relase. Fundamental issues with poor performance, slow file copys and dodgy stability even on clean systems with little software dogged it all the way to SP1.

Lion is, both in my own personal experience and from the majority of reviews on the web, very stable with good performance and is one of the most 'complete' release versions of an OS I've ever used. Looking through the first page of this forum as I write this most of the issues are either a) complaints about design choices within Lion (some genuine, some 'oh god it's different, argh'), b) issues with third party software or hardware, c) individual issues with machines not behaving themseleves. Frankly, for day one of an OS relase, that's both an expected set of issues and a damn good performance.

There's no thread with hundreds of 'me too' responses (thinking back to SL there was more than one such thread on wireless issues at the least), no sign of any major issues at all and when the complaints are this minor that's a very very good sign. Yes, there's always going to be issues with v0 of any OS, that's just inevitable. You can't possibly test every configuration of hardware and software and problems will crop up that weren't caught in beta. But, fingers crossed and so far at least, there's been no show stoppers come up. Heck, even delivering it via the App Store seemed to work almost perfectly after a couple of very early issues.

So, in short, no. Lion is shaping up to be a big success for Apple, not a disaster.

 

[gaugebosons]

Sure, there could be some anti-Apple trolls, and there could also be some people who would kiss a toad if it had a tiny Apple logo on its nose, but it's easy to sort that stuff out.

I'd kiss that toad.

I've had lion for 2 weeks now, and it's great. I've heard a massive amount of people complaining of bugs and that's normal, I'm just lucky.

Someone needs to start a "Lion is fantastic! Let's all get in this thread and celebrate!" thread, to counteract the perceived negativity.

Seriously people, no one is belittling your bugs! My console is packed with errors; we just need to wait for an update. And waiting sucks.

 

[Andeavour]

Only one problem with Lion - but it's a biggie

I've got to say I really like the look and feel of Lion, the upgrade was smooth and the OS runs like a charm.
I just have one problem, but unfortunately it's a show stopper... All Active Directory logins have ceased to function. All I'm presented with now is a red dot and "network logins are unavailable" at the login prompt.

It was working fine in 10.6.8. I've unbound and rebound to the domain servers, I can see the whole network, I can connect to the servers on the domain, but nothing I do lets me use AD logins.

I can't have all my users setting up local accounts and reloading all their software, so this one little problem makes Lion a disaster for the iMac I've installed it on, and a no-show for the other macs in the office.