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Is Mac OS X Panther 7B85 Gold Master?

I thought the Jaguar party was fun. I waited in line w/ my TiBook for about 4 hours... I was one of the first 5 in!

(I know, I don't have a life. At least I wasn't one who installed it while sitting on a mall couch @ 1:00am).
 
Originally posted by Magicite
The G4 towers and eMacs you speak of did not come preloaded with 10.2 and in fact only had the 10.2 full CDs thrown into the boxes. 10.2 was not preinstalled on these machines until their next revision.
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I bought a Power Mac G4 (dual 1 GHz) the day that Panther was released though the retail stores. They had a promotion whereby customers who bought anything in the store that night got a 10% discount, so I spent nearly $4,000 on a new system.

The G4 had 10.2 installed on it, and it had 10.2 CD's in the box. Not the retail CD's with the furry X on them, but the plain grey bundle CD's.

[Yeah, yeah, I'm an idiot. Jaguar, not Panther.]
 
Not to throw water on the fire but here is what I have heard. I was at the new Apple store in Seattle yesterday. I was asking about whether or not a coupon for Panter would be included if I bought a new G5 because I know it's coming out soon (before end of year). He stated that with Jaguar, they offered specials and coupons to stores about a month before the release of Jaguar to folks buying new computers. He was saying that since Apple has made no such action currently, that he presumes Panther to be at least over a month away. He says that when they say by the end of the year, that they probably mean by the end of the year.

So interpret this as you see fit.

Dave
 
Those of you who have bought a G5 or new Powerbook should have an up to date coupon in your package. You'll probably be able to go to an Apple Store for a free upgrade or opt for it via mail for $20. Apple has always offered free or low cost upgrades to recent purchases of new CPUs when the upgrade came wihtin a month or so. You'll know soon enough. :)

P.S. Apple Store employees are notoriously ill-informed about what Apple is going to do. They don't know anything more then you or I.
 
Originally posted by greenstork
Not to throw water on the fire but here is what I have heard. I was at the new Apple store in Seattle yesterday. I was asking about whether or not a coupon for Panter would be included if I bought a new G5 because I know it's coming out soon (before end of year). He stated that with Jaguar, they offered specials and coupons to stores about a month before the release of Jaguar to folks buying new computers. He was saying that since Apple has made no such action currently, that he presumes Panther to be at least over a month away. He says that when they say by the end of the year, that they probably mean by the end of the year.

So interpret this as you see fit.

Dave
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Damnit Dave. You didn't throw water on the fire, you pissed on it and put it out!!:p

BTW, I just called and tried to cancel my 15" Powerbook order, and told the salesman that I wanted to wait for Panther. He put up quite a fight, and ended up knocking $50 off my order. He said they have no idea when Panther will be released, much less pre-loaded on Powerbooks. (yeah, right).

I read into this (him discounting $50) that Panther is longer off than we expect. Like months away. The salesman didn't want to lose me as a customer in the meantime....??
 
those who purchased a mac after jaguar was announced were allowed to buy "upgrade" discs from apple for $20. the upgrade discs made life a pain in the butt when you want to reinstall. it took about 20 minutes to install 10.1, then about an hour for 10.2, and finally however long it took for you to download upgrades.
 
Something just doesn't add up here...

I don't think this is true, given previous rumors. By that I mean major and known bugs STILL present in the latest Panther builds. I'm an ADC Online member, so I can't install the test builds, but this is what I've heard.
 
Apple Sales Reps have absolutely no idea as to when new products will be released. TRUST ME. Their opinions are only that. They do NOT have any insider info.

IMO, if you need a laptop, get it -- don't bother waiting for Panther unless you can potentially wait a while to get a new machine.

Apple traditionally runs "Up-to-Date" programs, which allow customers to get new software for a $20 materials/shipping fee, if it was not bundled with a relatively new machine. Obviously Apple has not yet announced whether such a program will be in effect for recent system buyers, and/or who may qualify, if such a program does go into effect at some point. But such programs have been common in the past, and tend to be quite fair IMO.
 
Have any of you used any of the relased Panther builds!?!?!!?

7B80 doesn't seen to have any major bugs in it, at all... Rock Solid...for my uses...

I'm not sure what they are polishing up, but it can't be much...I'll tell you that!!!



CS...out
 
dude. you don't see lines at gateway countries for the newest windows OS:p
this one guy in front or n back of me for the jaguar said that, i never forgot it for some odd reason.

i was at the palisades store, and the line was about to old navy (for those who know the area.)
i had fun there that night, and i would love to go again:)

i started laughing when people started installing it on their iBooks by the theater:p
 
Originally posted by iHack
What would you want a headless desktop for? Planning on using it as a server? Why would you want to use panther (client)? Just wondering...

Am I being headless here for not getting it or is it just you?

M.
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If you don't need some of features of OSX Server then there is no reason NOT to use the client version, it's less expensive and has the same performance.
 
Not all that thrilled

After hearing how many bugs were still in 7B80 I was rather disturbed to hear that a few days later they had a GM. Even if they release 10.3 in October, it'll be a few weeks into November before I'll know whether or not I can trust it.

The 10.2.8 debacle has proven to the non-believers that an operating system is far more complex and has far more machine specific dependencies than almost any application software. I have no doubt that Apple QA is under Steve's personal microscope, that they work hard and honestly don't want to miss anything, but even if they'd tested 10.2.8 for six months they were NEVER going to find a problem with old dual processor machines plugged into 10baseT networks. Those of us in the small company applications QA realm probably would have noticed it right away because we're generally stuck with old computers and while 10/100 might be available in the wall, we've often got an old 10base hub under our desk because our cubes have more computers than network ports. Apple find a Lombard specific bug in late 2003? You've got to be joking. The chances of a 1999 era notebook with a virtually unsupported video chip being included in an Apple test plan are a million to one against.

So the obvious solution appears to be beta testing, but Apple is never going to trust their seeds in the hands of anyone except their selected developers. Are those people still running old equipment? Possibly. The posibility that dozens of people out there are running pre-release builds on old Macs is the only thing saving "the rest of us" from a 10.2.8-like situation every time an update comes out.
 
Originally posted by ryan
If you don't need some of features of OSX Server then there is no reason NOT to use the client version, it's less expensive and has the same performance.
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People who don't like posts that are not really on topic, please skip this one... ;)

If you want to save money and want the same (probably better...) performance, try FreeBSD on the intel/AMD platform. Panther's Darwin is in sync with version 4.8, giving you great interoperability. You don't even have to be much of a geek to install it - well, you do have to edit some text files for apache, samba, netatalk (AFP server), etc, but this is all quite well documented in the files themselves (if-you-want-to-share-the-such-n-such-directory-remove-the-#-in-front-of-the-following-lines style). Takes you a day or two to figure it out, but will leave you with a great, dirt-cheap server. I have a lightning fast, headless PIV 2.4 GHz, 512 MB, 120 GB server up and running for about € 400 (this translates to roughly $400).
Hey, if you want a good and cheap (read: open source) mail server, you'll spend a day or two on that alone, on a Mac. At least I did, until I decided to invest in a BSD system.

M.
 
Yeah as much as I'd love to get my hands on Panther (yes I've just bought a new PB and am resigned to the fact I'm going to have to fork out more ...), I think I'd rather wait until the thing is pretty bugless - mind you you would hope the final release would be free of all major problems!
 
Originally posted by Nicky G
Apple Sales Reps have absolutely no idea as to when new products will be released. TRUST ME. Their opinions are only that. They do NOT have any insider info.

Listen to him - I worked under the Apple Education Sales Consultant program for years, but never directly for Apple. Nonetheless, one of my neighbors is an Apple regional manager, and calls ME to find out what's going on in her own company.

They don't know, and it's safer for them that way.
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nothing can be completely bugless.
panther will obviously have some bugs no matter what, but i think that that's understandable. they'd have to work on it for years to make it bugless.

and there would still be bugs.
 
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