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Is Mac OS X Panther 7B85 Gold Master?

Originally posted by Roller
The Babel Fish version of the German Web page begins: "This cat will heat the dogs completely beautifully." Probably lost something in the translation. :)
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So? What's wrong with that? ;)

Seriously, I guess they meant something like 'Panther will put some fire under their a**es'. If that makes sense in English.

Maybe they should have reffered to 'Longhorns'.
 
niiice =)
After Windows ME came TE: Teletubbies Edition

Actually, I think M$ got the idea from their user base. They seem to say "Uh-oh..." a lot when the're working on it.

M.
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free update for us G5 owners!?

I got my Dual G5 yesterday...and it would make me sad to find out that "Panther" ships this month and that I won't get a free upgrade...

...and - what about Panther being G5-optimized?
 
Panther is definatly G5-optimized... on my G5 1.6GHz system, my panther builds are a LOT faster than 10.2.7 (the version that came preinstalled) I know a lot of this has to do with performance improvements all around, but a lot also has to do with optimizations.
 
The German sentence reads:
"Diese Katze wird den Hunden ganz schön einheizen..."

Diese = This
Katze = cat
wird = will
den = the
Hunden = dogs
ganz schön = quite
einheizen = fire up, drive on, give a fright

The Babelfish translation isn't too bad, actually.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by iHack
This translation made me curious. But I can't find anything like it on www.apple.com/de/macosx/panther

I would translate the first bit of that text as "Panther is getting ready to jump: before the end of the year will the new version of Apple's beloved operating system conquer the market, a version you shouldn't miss out on."

Well, I'm Dutch, I'm not a native speaker of German, but it is nowhere near heating up dogs. Maybe another page?
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Probably another page. I haven't done German in a decade and not much even then. (at least beyond trying to understand the badguys in movies)

I got the gist of the page, a bunch of gwanna gwanna.

It reminded me of the joke about the translator at the UN though... "The verb man, where's the verb?"
 
Hope...

Can't wait, but I really HOPE they offer the upgrade at a discount for recent G5 buyers. We'll see...

Does anyone know if I can walk into the Apple store and buy at student discount prices? (or do I have to use the online Apple store)
 
Re: Panther perfect

Originally posted by u2mr2os2
Just realize that there will be at some point a 10.3.1, 10.3.2, etc.

I believe the boxed version is always the 10.x.0 release and never updated with point releases? If so, then waiting to buy until a stable point release comes out is pointless. Waiting to install until then is valid.
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They do eventually sell dot releases in the box, it just depends on how long it takes to filter through the pipeline. I bet if you went looking for Jaguar CDs today they'd be at least 10.2.4, but also wouldn't be surprised if in some places you find 10.2.1 or 10.2.0.
 
Originally posted by Matrix9180
Panther is definatly G5-optimized... on my G5 1.6GHz system, my panther builds are a LOT faster than 10.2.7 (the version that came preinstalled) I know a lot of this has to do with performance improvements all around, but a lot also has to do with optimizations.
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I do believe that Panther is optimized for the G5, but your logic for this isn't too sound. Isn't Panther faster on G3 and G4 processors, too? Is the 10.2.7 to 10.3 speed increase in the G5 greater than the 10.2.6 to 10.3 speed increase in G3 and G4 machines? Does anyone know of any comparison benchmarks that show Panther optimizations for the G5?
 
Originally posted by iHack
Three weeks from an Apple build on some G5 cluster in Cupertino to a neat row of Panther boxes on a shelf in a store near you doesn't sound like a long time to me. Shipping G5's and 12" PB's seems to take a lot of time too. Expect panthers in your local store's storage rooms up to a week in advance of the official release date.
Yes, we are going to hear rumours about mysterious pallets being delivered to stores, with notices not to open them before 10/24...

Does anyone remember how many 'jaguars' were sold in the first week or so?

I'd like a Dutch version. Can't remember if that's included in the same box, or if I'm going to have to wait for a localised version. Any info?

M.
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It should be in the same box...
 
Can't use coupon with Edu discount

The terms of the $20 Apple store coupon for renewing .Mac state that the coupon cannot be used in addition to educational discounts. Bummer, eh?
 
Originally posted by legacyb4
Argh, I'm needing to pick up a laptop sometime next week from the local store. Guess that means it's more than unlikely that I will have a free update to Panther... :(

Cheers.
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It will have coupons that won't necessarily say "Upgrade to Panther".
 
This is what I don't understand. I want to buy a new PB. I'm going to wait until Panther comes out to buy, thereby saving $129. What if:

I'm sued for all my money?
I get hit by lightning?
I decide that my iBook is really good enough?
I decide to buy a Toshiba?
I run away with an exotic dancer to Tahiti?

Apple will lose out on a $2000 sale because it didn't want to give me an upgrade path to Panther.

*sigh*:confused:
 
Re: Hope...

Originally posted by 3-22
Can't wait, but I really HOPE they offer the upgrade at a discount for recent G5 buyers. We'll see...

Does anyone know if I can walk into the Apple store and buy at student discount prices? (or do I have to use the online Apple store)
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The official Apple stores as far as I know will honor edu pricing. Now for authorized Apple retailers they will not unless they are a campus store. Your final option is like you said to order it online.
 
Apple retail stores do not provide the educational discount on Mac OS X. I got a talking-to when I discounted Jaguar to $69. The OS is only available at educational prices through your school store or purchaser and online.
 
Originally posted by QuiteSure
This is what I don't understand. I want to buy a new PB. I'm going to wait until Panther comes out to buy, thereby saving $129. What if:

I'm sued for all my money?
I get hit by lightning?
I decide that my iBook is really good enough?
I decide to buy a Toshiba?
I run away with an exotic dancer to Tahiti?

Apple will lose out on a $2000 sale because it didn't want to give me an upgrade path to Panther.

*sigh*:confused:
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Well, Apple has to draw the line *somewhere*, don't they? Usually they give people who have purchased their system 30 days before the release of a new OS version a very cheap upgrade option (20 $ for shipping and handling, if I recall correctly). IMO this is very fair.
 
Originally posted by the future
Well, Apple has to draw the line *somewhere*, don't they? Usually they give people who have purchased their system 30 days before the release of a new OS version a very cheap upgrade option (20 $ for shipping and handling, if I recall correctly). IMO this is very fair.
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Of course, you're correct. Apple announced Panther in the spring and hasn't taken any other official position besides "By the end of the year". If I knew that Panther would be shipping on, say, December 15, I'd buy now and bite the bullet. But if Panther ships on October 24th and there is no upgrade path, I've lost out.

I'm not suggesting that Apple doesn't have to draw the line. But why can't they actually commit now to the 30 day upgrade path, so I can make a somewhat more informed choice as to my buying schedule.
 
Originally posted by QuiteSure
I'm not suggesting that Apple doesn't have to draw the line. But why can't they actually commit now to the 30 day upgrade path, so I can make a somewhat more informed choice as to my buying schedule.
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They want your money!!

It's simple as that.

And besides for only $129, for full upgrade, the price isn't really that bad...

Were not paying $400 for Xp here...That's expensive.....



CS...out
 
Okay, jumping back on the primary topic after this latest confirmed report... I have to say I really hope 7B85/6 isn't GM... Why? I think it would be a really bad move considering Apple's last OS release... 10.2.8 was a major screw up, and I don't see how Apple would come away from that and throw in new UI changes, knock out remaining bugs, and declair it final w/o seeding EVERYONE who can currently get seeds (ADC is what I'm referring to if you couldn't guess) to test it... It does NOT make sense to have fewer and fewer people testing as a product nears release, especially not when it's your higher-up level of testers: big name developers such as Adobe, who may ignore some issues they find so that Panther doesn't get delayed, and a new version of x-company's-product can coincide w/ the Panther release. In the build that I am running, 7B74, there were still some outstanding bugs with Safari, and also some issues with slider controls and drop shadows... I HOPE that that these things were fixed already, but I don't see how apple can be really sure w/o having the whole team w/ every configuration testing it...
I know from experience if you have a product, release a beta, get feedback on the problems, then as quickly as possible throw together fixes for all those problems and r elease it as final without further testing, you screw something up... always...
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Originally posted by Matrix9180
Okay, jumping back on the primary topic after this latest confirmed report... I have to say I really hope 7B85/6 isn't GM... Why? I think it would be a really bad move considering Apple's last OS release... 10.2.8 was a major screw up, and I don't see how Apple would come away from that and throw in new UI changes, knock out remaining bugs, and declair it final w/o seeding EVERYONE who can currently get seeds (ADC is what I'm referring to if you couldn't guess) to test it... It does NOT make sense to have fewer and fewer people testing as a product nears release, especially not when it's your higher-up level of testers: big name developers such as Adobe, who may ignore some issues they find so that Panther doesn't get delayed, and a new version of x-company's-product can coincide w/ the Panther release. In the build that I am running, 7B74, there were still some outstanding bugs with Safari, and also some issues with slider controls and drop shadows... I HOPE that that these things were fixed already, but I don't see how apple can be really sure w/o having the whole team w/ every configuration testing it...
</rant>
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Here is a question.....

Why would Apple release (if it's true 7b85 is GM) 7b85 to ADC members???

Wouldn't they lose money on it?!?!?!

Heck if you have the GM version, why would you by it?!?!!?

7b80 seems to be rock solid...There seems to be no major bugs....


And why would Safari stop 7b85 from being GM?!?!!? Safari is not a part of the OS...It's an application....


If another build is released to the "Public", then Panther has some way to go...



CS....out
 
No they're not losing money... ADC members w/ a PAID SUBSCRIPTION already paid at least $500 for the seeding program.. that is what I was talking about, not the freebie accounts... and they give ADC Select/Premier members access to the final build anyway...
 
Originally posted by Matrix9180
Okay, jumping back on the primary topic after this latest confirmed report... I have to say I really hope 7B85/6 isn't GM... Why? I think it would be a really bad move considering Apple's last OS release... 10.2.8 was a major screw up, and I don't see how Apple would come away from that and throw in new UI changes, knock out remaining bugs, and declair it final w/o seeding EVERYONE who can currently get seeds (ADC is what I'm referring to if you couldn't guess) to test it... It does NOT make sense to have fewer and fewer people testing as a product nears release, especially not when it's your higher-up level of testers: big name developers such as Adobe, who may ignore some issues they find so that Panther doesn't get delayed, and a new version of x-company's-product can coincide w/ the Panther release. In the build that I am running, 7B74, there were still some outstanding bugs with Safari, and also some issues with slider controls and drop shadows... I HOPE that that these things were fixed already, but I don't see how apple can be really sure w/o having the whole team w/ every configuration testing it...
I know from experience if you have a product, release a beta, get feedback on the problems, then as quickly as possible throw together fixes for all those problems and r elease it as final without further testing, you screw something up... always...
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Agreeing with what you said, I fear that we haven't received any more builds due to the leaked builds. If anything however, hopefully this will prove that it was neither ADC nor AppleSeed that has been leaking builds.
 
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