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Is Motorola KILLING Apple?

DEMOCRATS SUCK!!!!!!!!!
look at all there failures, Bay of Pigs, Ellian Gonzalez(stupid kid), 18th ammendment (ban on alcohol)(i think). All democrats do is get layed in the oval office (kennedy, clinton), raise taxes, destroy our military , take money away from schools and enducation to give to poor fu*ckers who don't want to work and jack off.
This is why democrats suck!

All this from a 14 year old, and to think.. you guys are fighting over guns, why don't you go shoot your selves.(not to be taken seriously)
 
Originally posted by wake up Jobs!!!
DEMOCRATS SUCK!!!!!!!!!
look at all there failures, Bay of Pigs, Ellian Gonzalez(stupid kid), 18th ammendment (ban on alcohol)(i think). All democrats do is get layed in the oval office (kennedy, clinton), raise taxes, destroy our military , take money away from schools and enducation to give to poor fu*ckers who don't want to work and jack off.
This is why democrats suck!

All this from a 14 year old, and to think.. you guys are fighting over guns, why don't you go shoot your selves.(not to be taken seriously)
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And just when this thread was starting to wind down...

It's actually the Republicans that are taking money away from schools with their ridiculous tax cuts...

Please grow up and come back to the forums when you have something worthwhile to say.
 
i used to hate democrats because i thought they were all southern rednecks like jimmy-boy carter and i was 14 then

now i am almost 40 and in the last three elections i have voted for, were for southern democrats

clinton is a redneck and gore is from, uh, tennessee with a banjo on his knee...but at least they have the pulse of the nation more than the current republicans who only seem to watch out for the rich and "pretend" to watch out for the religious of america

w is doing a good job and is the first republican that i have liked since gerald ford and nixon...but like i said the party now, like it has been since reagan, only looks out for the ultra rich and this is bad for the morale of america and working stiffs like me
 
it may seem like motorola isn't coming up with the goods, but they are planning for the long-term. forget all this speculation about the G5, all you need to know is that when it is released it will be a whole different era.
oh, by the way, personally i think that we'll see the G5 at SF.:D
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield


clinton is a redneck and gore is from, uh, tennessee with a banjo on his knee...but at least they have the pulse of the nation more than the current republicans who only seem to watch out for the rich and "pretend" to watch out for the religious of america

w is doing a good job and is the first republican that i have liked since gerald ford and nixon...but like i said the party now, like it has been since reagan, only looks out for the ultra rich and this is bad for the morale of america and working stiffs like me
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Why do you think I moved to Taiwan?;) One hint...the last presidential election. It wasn't w or g specifically, but I'd rather have seen C. Powell in office. But I think he was too smart to want the position:D .

What ever happened to Perot:p ? He still could have done a good job I think...no wait, I don't think...okay I think again:D
 
please stop the politics

Over the months that I've read your posts, I've grown to respect many people. I've learned much about many things.

I completely by-passed all of the gun discussion because it is too much like abortion. Everybody has an opinion, of course. But like abortion, the rationale does not precede the position, it only serves to justify the position, which is most often derived from the gut. Gun control and all of that is another irreconcilable issue.

So long as one extreme or the other doesn't completely have its way, I'll be content.

As for the Democrats and Republicans crap, please, please stop! The posts thus far are pathetic and way beneath the caliber of the posters, as demonstrated by their posts on Mac hardware/software issues.

Democrats versus Republicans banter is similar to that of the abortion battle. I refer to the party bashing drivel as "football politics". Generalizations, stereotypes, misinformation, ignorance, and emotion obfuscate any semblence of clarity in argument.

Too many people think in too simplistic and ignorant a manner, harking to their favorite team, preferring not to spend the hours and hours (understandable) required to really understand what the hell is going on in politics. And when people appear to be a slave to 'football politics', they tend to damn both parties.

Its too often 'my team' versus 'their team'; 'they all suck'; or Joe Perfection 'would be awesome'.

BTW, Ross Perot, was and still is a nut.

I love Colin Powell and would be pleased to have him as President. But, what I've seen in the last year of Powell, and when he was JCS, is that he may tend to be too deliberative and too risk averse. Well, here I've ended my post with generalizations. I'm a ****ing hypocrit for not taking the time to be specific. But I feel too lazy to do so. And, on this site, I am just never in the mood for politics.

Anyway, go Condi Rice, 2008!!! I hope we don't have to wait for the G5 until then (there, I finally said something relevant to the title of this thread).

Eirik
 
How can MOTOROLA compete with INTEL, when APPLE sells fewer computers in a year than INTEL-based PCs in a month (or maybe a week)?!?

Over 20 years ago when APPLE started, 68000 was hands down the best, most powerfull, most advanced CPU on the market! Why APPLE didn't capture 20-30% of the PC market? Don't tell me it's because they didn't have a good CPU. They had the BEST, FASTEST CPU in the world!!!

Do you really think that INTEL could afford $7 bln a year of R&D cost with sales like APPLE???
APPLE's total revenue is less than INTEL's R&D budget!!!
With APPLE sales of $5.4 bln last year what do you think MOTOROLA gets for their CPUs? $500 mln, maybe? Of that $500 mln how much can they use for R&D? $100-$200 mln?
!!!!!Last year INTEL's sales were $26.5 bln!!!!!!

It's a miracle that with such marginal computer maker as APPLE, MOTOROLA is still in the CPU business!
Well, it's actually because of CISCO, GM, Nortel and others that use PowerPC-based chips. APPLE alone with their <10% market share is no match to all INTEL-based PC makers.
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Originally posted by cikutek
How can MOTOROLA compete with INTEL, when APPLE sells fewer computers in a year than INTEL-based PCs in a month (or maybe a week)?!?

Over 20 years ago when APPLE started, 68000 was hands down the best, most powerfull, most advanced CPU on the market! Why APPLE didn't capture 20-30% of the PC market? Don't tell me it's because they didn't have a good CPU. They had the BEST, FASTEST CPU in the world!!!

Do you really think that INTEL could afford $7 bln a year of R&D cost with sales like APPLE???
APPLE's total revenue is less than INTEL's R&D budget!!!
With APPLE sales of $5.4 bln last year what do you think MOTOROLA gets for their CPUs? $500 mln, maybe? Of that $500 mln how much can they use for R&D? $100-$200 mln?
!!!!!Last year INTEL's sales were $26.5 bln!!!!!!

It's a miracle that with such marginal computer maker as APPLE, MOTOROLA is still in the CPU business!
Well, it's actually because of CISCO, GM, Nortel and others that use PowerPC-based chips. APPLE alone with their <10% market share is no match to all INTEL-based PC makers.
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By that rationale Motorola should be a failing company and Apple should be going out of business.
And yet somehow they both survive.
Miraculous, maybe.
A tribute to Apple's and Motorola's design and innovation, definitely.
 
Too damn funny!

I saw this on the front page of the site...now if only it had been up a couple of days ago...timing is everything:
 

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Re: Too damn funny!

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I saw this on the front page of the site...now if only it had been up a couple of days ago...timing is everything:
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Whoa... see, you shoot someone in the chest and their head pops right off! If that isn't a reason to ban all guns, I don't know what is. :)
 
Re: Re: Too damn funny!

Originally posted by alex_ant

Whoa... see, you shoot someone in the chest and their head pops right off! If that isn't a reason to ban all guns, I don't know what is. :)
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Actually, that would be a cool effect :D... BANG... pop... LMAO!!! sorry, in a psychotic frame of mind tonight muwahahahahahaha
 
Originally posted by AlphaTech

Oh and groovebuster, where did you find a 1.8GHz and 2GHz Athlon??? They don't exist. The top speed for the Athlon XP processor is 1.73GHz (XP 2100+). I have also seen those (the 2100+) chips in a retail package listing for $257 (US$). See for yourself at http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductList.jsp?ThirdCategoryCode=010413 if you don't believe me. They also list the real speed rating of the processors, not just the name number. Those retail packages include a heat sink, fan and 3 year warranty. The OEM ones only have a 30 day warranty, which is why the site also recommends getting the retail version.
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Don't make it a crusade to find not existing flaws in my postings. The machine I was referring to was overclocked and it was 1,8GHz(!), working smoothly without any problems. 2GHz processors will be available very soon (rumors), that's why I said "now". They have to since Intel is clocking their Chips higher and higher... even they try already to confuse the people with those "model numbers"...

Anyway... on the price thing I got maybe a wrong source, since I didn't check the AMD pages for that.

But still... stop jumping on my back like a little boy every time I say something now! Just the way you answered to my posting tells more than a thousand words...

Get well!

groovebuster
 
groovebuster, take a chill-pill... actually, take several.

AMD has only released (to date) the XP 2100+ processor which is at 1.73GHz. It looks like the 2200+ will be out soon, since there are bios updates that list it as being supported (Giga-Byte GA-7DXR's latest update lists it as being supported). If the system has been overclocked, then just say so. Don't make it sound like that was the standard speed of the chip.

Now, I am NOT surprised that the AMD chip was overclocked and stable. Personally, I don't do that, but that is my CHOICE. If you are comfortable doing it, then go for it.

I will be replacing the 1.4GHz t-bird inside the pc I built soon. I just hope that the 2200+ is released soon, so that I can get one. I also need to transplant all the guts from my current case into my new Cooler Master ATC110 case. I need to get a power supply for that, since the person buying my older case, needs the supply that is inside it. I am also leaving the fans in there, to be nice, and make it easier for him.

Now, If ONLY motorola could get off their thumbs and get out faster chips for the Mac.
 
stock going higher!

Originally posted by AlphaTech


I will be replacing the 1.4GHz t-bird inside the pc I built soon. I just hope that the 2200+ is released soon, so that I can get one.

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(long evil laugh followed by sinister chuckles while typing...:D )

You know just this one discussion alone is driving my stock value up... But, if you want good info on the latest, check out the articles on the AMD Opteron at:

www.anandtech.com
www.tomshardware.com

I'm gonna retire soon and move to ....;)
 
Originally posted by AlphaTech
I will be replacing the 1.4GHz t-bird inside the pc I built soon. I just hope that the 2200+ is released soon, so that I can get one. I also need to transplant all the guts from my current case into my new Cooler Master ATC110 case. I need to get a power supply for that, since the person buying my older case, needs the supply that is inside it. I am also leaving the fans in there, to be nice, and make it easier for him.

Now, If ONLY motorola could get off their thumbs and get out faster chips for the Mac.
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I've got the ATC200 for my 1.33 T-bird...the case is awesome (for a PC ;) )!

It looks great and is VERY easy to open up and work in...

Maybe an aluminum case from Apple soon?
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU

It's actually the Republicans that are taking money away from schools with their ridiculous tax cuts...
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(Shaking head in disbelief) I rather liked my $300 check.

Well, at least we like the same computer. :)
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I've got the ATC200 for my 1.33 T-bird...the case is awesome (for a PC ;) )!

It looks great and is VERY easy to open up and work in...

Maybe an aluminum case from Apple soon?
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I've worked with a few Lian-Li cases. They are so far of the nicest build quality of PC cases that I've worked on. I bought for myself an aluminum Enermax case. Heavy thing! It's a pretty nice case, it just didn't work well with the Tyan MB. I ended up putting a different MB in it with an XP1800+.

I have my doubts about Apple using aluminum. It's my understanding that aluminum doesn't shield RF radiation well, and Apple is pretty picky about those things. I would bet that a G4 case is actually cheaper to make than your average aluminum case. Although you wouldn't know if from checking Ebay. :)

While I wished that the G4 case had more accessable bays, I do like the fact that the case is as much a part of the computer as any other part. I think twice about putting my hand into a PC, with all of the unbolting and awkardness. I usually end up with a few scratches on my hands. On the other hand, the G4 case is a dream. New video card? memory upgrade? No problem.
 
Originally posted by Scottgfx
I've worked with a few Lian-Li cases. They are so far of the nicest build quality of PC cases that I've worked on. I bought for myself an aluminum Enermax case. Heavy thing! It's a pretty nice case, it just didn't work well with the Tyan MB. I ended up putting a different MB in it with an XP1800+.

I have my doubts about Apple using aluminum. It's my understanding that aluminum doesn't shield RF radiation well, and Apple is pretty picky about those things. I would bet that a G4 case is actually cheaper to make than your average aluminum case. Although you wouldn't know if from checking Ebay. :)

While I wished that the G4 case had more accessable bays, I do like the fact that the case is as much a part of the computer as any other part. I think twice about putting my hand into a PC, with all of the unbolting and awkardness. I usually end up with a few scratches on my hands. On the other hand, the G4 case is a dream. New video card? memory upgrade? No problem.
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Lian-Li makes good cases too.
The aluminum comment was more of an errant daydream than a sincere wish. I think it would make them less sturdy/solid. Can you imagine handles on such a case:
1) Pick up case by handle
2) Case falls back to floor as handles tears off from soft aluminum chassis
3) Pound case back together with hammer

I like their current design a lot, but faster chips/components need better cooling. And since most mac heads complain about the slightest whisper of a fan in their case, passive cooling via the case material is a good solution.

PS. As for the $300 check, we'll see how much you like it when you go to retire and find that Social Security no longer exists.
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Lian-Li makes good cases too.
The aluminum comment was more of an errant daydream than a sincere wish. I think it would make them less sturdy/solid. Can you imagine handles on such a case:
1) Pick up case by handle
2) Case falls back to floor as handles tears off from soft aluminum chassis
3) Pound case back together with hammer

I like their current design a lot, but faster chips/components need better cooling. And since most mac heads complain about the slightest whisper of a fan in their case, passive cooling via the case material is a good solution.

PS. As for the $300 check, we'll see how much you like it when you go to retire and find that Social Security no longer exists.
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I wish that I knew where the benchmarks were. I've seen people site that the G4 memory bandwidth isn't that bad. At least better than other PC133 systems in the PC world. On the other hand, I believe the first DDR systems (Via KT266?) weren't much faster than the PC133's it replaced. I think this says something about Apple making sure that they have a fine-tuned system that lives up to the promise of the tech, rather than 10 or 15 companies that rush products to market. MSI comes to mind. (I still haven't found the voltage for the power LED on this K7T266Pro2. And don't get me started on the manuals, sometimes just plain wrong information! :O

As for SS. I've been told not to expect anything from it even before I started paying into it. Let me do with MY money what I think is best. (mmmm must invest more in AAPL.) :)
 
what, I cant have a little fun??!! I was pointing things out how this forum about motorola was simply not about so i decided to put my two cents in.
Just cool down all you extreemly offended Democrats :D
 
Hey Mad Max, how about sharing your good fortune with those that are making it possible??? :D

I didn't have too much time to read those articles, but I do like how it was pointed out how a AMD 2000+ (or was it the 2100+?) processor beat the fastest pentium. :D

Are we going to see the XP 2200+ chips, or will we have to wait for new ones?? I hope that they work with socket A motherboards.

Rower_CPU, I still have my 110 in the box. I will be doing the transplant this weekend (or maybe tomorrow night). I need to get a powersupply for the puppy first though. I was using a 320 watt, what do you think, go with a 300, 340 or 400 watt??? I have three hard drives a dvd rom drive and then the normal stuff (still have open PCI slots on my GA-7DXR mobo). I might add the two Seagate Cheetah's that have been relaxing (18GB each)... but I haven't decided just yet.
 
Originally posted by Scottgfx

As for SS. I've been told not to expect anything from it even before I started paying into it. Let me do with MY money what I think is best. (mmmm must invest more in AAPL.) :)
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Given the fact that my opinion on the matter is pretty much excatly opposite of yours, you'd think I'd want to argue with you, flame you, etc.

On the contrary, I'm actually glad to see it. Its nice to see such diverse opinions expressed by Mac users. I think too often Mac users get pigeonholed as liberals, arsty types and democrats. I'd like to see more conservatives, business types and republicans using Macs and telling the world about it.

Of course, I'd also ike to see more people thinking more liberally, but thats a seperate issue. :)

Taft
 
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Rower_CPU, I still have my 110 in the box. I will be doing the transplant this weekend (or maybe tomorrow night). I need to get a powersupply for the puppy first though. I was using a 320 watt, what do you think, go with a 300, 340 or 400 watt??? I have three hard drives a dvd rom drive and then the normal stuff (still have open PCI slots on my GA-7DXR mobo). I might add the two Seagate Cheetah's that have been relaxing (18GB each)... but I haven't decided just yet.
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I went with a 400 watt for my rig:
1 30GB HD
DVD-ROM
CD-RW
Live Drive
Zip
Floppy
Sound card
Vid card
NIC

No problems that I can attribute to the PSU...just the usual Windows crap. :p
 
MadMax

What ever happened to Perot? He still could have done a good job I think...no wait, I don't think...okay I think again
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LOL! Great writing.
(Most of the people posting are too young to remember or just didn't get it.)
 
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