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aznboi91

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Is staingate present in 2015 MacBook Pros? I'm considering on buying a maxed out version of either the 15 or 13in this coming weekend. Anything to look out for? Thanks!
 

CoastalOR

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I can't speak about the 2015 13" (released March 2015), but my 2015 15" is fine. Of course 15" has only been out since May. It may be a little early to tell.
 

steve62388

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It isn't present in previous MacBook Pro's. Have you actually LOOKED at some of those pictures? Obvious mistreatment, obvious the screen being mashed into the keyboard.

That is just so much garbage. You haven't bothered to look very hard http://www.staingate.org shows that in some cases it's not the keyboard.

1. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean other owners have not.
2. It's not beyond the scope of credulity that Apple might have had defects with some coatings that they have now fixed. Apple has failures in manufacturing just like any company:- pick any number of GPU issues, iPhone 6 camera problems, and hard drive recalls (there are loads of other examples). <--- BTW did you have all these issues? No? But they don't exist right, despite Apple issuing recalls you didn't have a problem so they are imaginary.

Disclosure: I do not have a device with an anti-reflective coating problem, but I don't assume everyone else is a liar when they do.
 

maxsix

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I've been upgrading my MBP's annually. Mostly because I can genuinely use all the resources I can get as my work computer. Second I upgrade because I can and I spend so much time on it, it's nice to get a fresh one each year.

Thus far I haven't had any issue that's ever caused a stain or blemish or anything cosmetic at all. I've been very happy with my Macs.
 

T5BRICK

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It isn't present in previous MacBook Pro's. Have you actually LOOKED at some of those pictures? Obvious mistreatment, obvious the screen being mashed into the keyboard.

I actually agree with you here. The pictures I've seen seem to show mistreatment.

1. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean other owners have not.
2. It's not beyond the scope of credulity that Apple might have had defects with some coatings that they have now fixed. Apple has failures in manufacturing just like any company:- pick any number of GPU issues, iPhone 6 camera problems, and hard drive recalls (there are loads of other examples). <--- BTW did you have all these issues? No? But they don't exist right, despite Apple issuing recalls you didn't have a problem so they are imaginary.

A small batch of displays with defective coating is one problem. "Staingate" is something altogether different.

Have some displays had problems? Yes.

Is it an issue worth posting about on here? Sure, if you're that worried about it.

Is it widespread problem? Not by any means.
 
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adrianlondon

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Based on a sample size of 1 (me and my late 2013 Macbook Pro 15"), the anti-glare screen coating started coming off after about 4 months despite looking after the screen and cleaning it only with water and the supplied cloth. The coating started coming off in various places, which made me believe there was a fault in its application.

I waited until my 1-year apple care (which I hadn't extended) was about to expire, just to make the most out of any replacement screen, and got the screen replaced. I've had this new screen 10 months and there's not a mark of damage on it, even though I've relaxed a bit and am cleaning it with just a normal slightly soapy cloth sometimes.

So, based on this, I reckon the anti-glare coating peeing off issue (I refuse to gate it! :) ) has been fixed in later screens and hence doesn't happen any more. Well, never say never (there are always manufacturing defects) but it's no longer a common manufacturing process error. Based on a sample size of 1.
 

posguy99

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That is just so much garbage. You haven't bothered to look very hard http://www.staingate.org shows that in some cases it's not the keyboard.

Sorry, I looked at every one of the pictures in their gallery. All I see is abuse. Nothing there that shows any sort of systemic problem.

I mean, come on... some of these:

http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/9.png
http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/12A.png
http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/20.png <-- especially!
http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/21.png

Who do they think they're trying to kid, anyway? All including stuff like that does is dilute the message to the point that even if there *were* a problem, it's going to get dismissed.
 

steve62388

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Sorry, I looked at every one of the pictures in their gallery. All I see is abuse. Nothing there that shows any sort of systemic problem.

I mean, come on... some of these:

http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/9.png
http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/12A.png
http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/20.png <-- especially!
http://www.staingate.org/static/img/gallery/21.png

Who do they think they're trying to kid, anyway? All including stuff like that does is dilute the message to the point that even if there *were* a problem, it's going to get dismissed.

Don't post links to evidence that you think only supports your case, there are pictures there showing problems nowhere near the keyboard and you have wilfully ignored those. Because you have never witnessed it everybody must be lying right? The guy posting just above you must be lying too.

It's funny that these coating problems came and went relatively quickly. If you're right I would have thought people have been abusing their laptops for years, continue to do so and then lying about their coating coming off. But isn't it peculiar there isn't so much furore about it now? Perhaps that suggests there was a problem that has now been fixed.

It's better to have an open mind than assuming Apple can do no wrong. All their other recalls proves this.
 
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Maksym Kanel

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According to forums for the 2014 models stains usually start to happen after 1 year of usage.
As it was in my case: my wife's 2014 Mac Pro has stains around the screen.
Mac was used gently so all other parts look like new...
 

Ovedius

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Another Staingate thread.
My God, man, what have you done?!
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It took exactly two posts before the pissing contest between the Staingate Thruters and the equally cemented Staingate Deniers started in full.
Learn from this, no greater insight can ever be gained from a Staingate thread.
 
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Samuelsan2001

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It is not a widespread issue that much is certain, is it an issue on the new machines?? That is impossible to tell they just haven't been out long enough. In short you just have to buy one take the chance and get the screen replaced under warranty if needed.

As with any piece of electronic equipment you may get a lemon, it is the chance you take buying any tablet, phone, TV, laptop or computer, hell it's even the chance you take buying a vacuum cleaner or kettle or washing machine. The only way to avoid this risk is not to buy anything!!
 
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Maksym Kanel

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Which forum? Post a link.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6068947?tstart=0
It is not a widespread issue that much is certain, is it an issue on the new machines?? That is impossible to tell they just haven't been out long enough. In short you just have to buy one take the chance and get the screen replaced under warranty if needed.

As with any piece of electronic equipment you may get a lemon, it is the chance you take buying any tablet, phone, TV, laptop or computer, hell it's even the chance you take buying a vacuum cleaner or kettle or washing machine. The only way to avoid this risk is not to buy anything!!

Problem is that Apple does not recognize screen coating issues as a manufacturing defects and in most cases refuses to repair even if you are on warranty.
 
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ArmCortexA8

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https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6068947?tstart=0
Problem is that Apple does not recognize screen coating issues as a manufacturing defects and in most cases refuses to repair even if you are on warranty.

Never make assumptions, especially with no proof. Get your facts straight. The problem is the AR coating (Anti-Reflective) which has not been applied properly during manufacturing. Over time this shows as a couple of spots and even with a lint free cloth and tap water this makes the issue worse. This has happened on my MBPR and its not even 12 months old. I contacted Apple who have agreed to replaced the display at no cost to me (some $1,400 worth). People are also emailing Tim Cook (tcook@apple.com) with this issue and pics and getting a phone call a couple of days later to say the screen will be replaced at no cost. This is a hardware issue and has nothing to do with fingerprint oil either - it's the coating.

I have heard Chinese whispers that an official programme will be announced soon in relation to this problem.
 

Fishrrman

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If you look at some of the images posted above, you can see "impressions" that look to be of the keyboard keys and an outline of the trackpad edge.

What this suggests to me is that -some- of this damage could be due to "inward pressure" being applied to the closed shell of the MacBook -- possibly while being transported in a backpack, etc. Perhaps the engineers did not anticipate such circumstances during the development of the coating.

Also, there have been several posts above that implied that there could be a defect during the application of the anti-glare coating.

I'm thinking it could be more-related to the composition of the coating itself (as distinguished from mis-application).
Or it could simply be applied "too thinly" (by design, not by application).

Apple's thinly-coated anti-glare formula may have looked great in development, but not sustainable in the long term, in the real world.

Sometimes being on the cutting edge ain't all that it's cracked up to be...
 

ArmCortexA8

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If you look at some of the images posted above, you can see "impressions" that look to be of the keyboard keys and an outline of the trackpad edge.

What this suggests to me is that -some- of this damage could be due to "inward pressure" being applied to the closed shell of the MacBook -- possibly while being transported in a backpack, etc. Perhaps the engineers did not anticipate such circumstances during the development of the coating.

Also, there have been several posts above that implied that there could be a defect during the application of the anti-glare coating.

I'm thinking it could be more-related to the composition of the coating itself (as distinguished from mis-application).
Or it could simply be applied "too thinly" (by design, not by application).

Apple's thinly-coated anti-glare formula may have looked great in development, but not sustainable in the long term, in the real world.

Sometimes being on the cutting edge ain't all that it's cracked up to be...

No inward pressure can make an AR coating come off unless there is a lot of movement (as if the lid was loose) and very hard surface. Plus this mostly starts on the bezel of all places and then spreads itself. Nothing physically triggers it. People also seem to forget the bezel of the screen has a rubber "sleeve" which is designed to keep some space between the lid and the chassis when closed.
 

ct1211

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I can't speak about the 2015 13" (released March 2015), but my 2015 15" is fine. Of course 15" has only been out since May. It may be a little early to tell.

My early 2015 13" rMBP has now developed the "stains" (delamination) I had it on my 2013 version of the same computer as well. They will replace the entire lid if you're under warranty. I will take mine in when the Surface Book I ordered comes in.
 

T5BRICK

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No inward pressure can make an AR coating come off unless there is a lot of movement (as if the lid was loose) and very hard surface. Plus this mostly starts on the bezel of all places and then spreads itself. Nothing physically triggers it. People also seem to forget the bezel of the screen has a rubber "sleeve" which is designed to keep some space between the lid and the chassis when closed.

I've seen this issue on old MacBook Pros and even PowerBooks. Those had more space between the keyboard and screen and it still happened.
 

netsped

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I've been using a product called ScreenSavrz by Radtech since I bought my first aluminum Macbook back in late '08 and I've used it on a Macbook Air and now in my 13" rMBP. I have owned them for about 3 years each (I just bought the rMBP in April) and the displays have always been pristine.

The funny thing is that I've been using the same one since late '08, I just wash it once a month in some mild soap. I think it's a must have.

http://www.radtech.us/products/screensavrz-macbook-pro-keyboard-cover
 

Aneef

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I've been using a product called ScreenSavrz by Radtech since I bought my first aluminum Macbook back in late '08 and I've used it on a Macbook Air and now in my 13" rMBP. I have owned them for about 3 years each (I just bought the rMBP in April) and the displays have always been pristine.

The funny thing is that I've been using the same one since late '08, I just wash it once a month in some mild soap. I think it's a must have.

http://www.radtech.us/products/screensavrz-macbook-pro-keyboard-cover
Is there any harmful effect to Macbook's display if we use this to prevent keyboard stains on screen?
Actually I have to travel in trains a lot and have to carry my rMBP in my briefcase/suitcase. Today while cleaning my rMBP's screen I noticed a key print on the screen (sort of like that in staingate's cases, but very mild, you have to turn off the display and look extremely closely to notice it, but it definitely is a key print). I am losing my sleep over this. It's just been 5 months since I bought this laptop and I've been taking great care of it. I keep sticky and oily hands away from this, but still don't know why this happened. Probably because of some pressure on laptop while travelling...
 

netsped

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Is there any harmful effect to Macbook's display if we use this to prevent keyboard stains on screen?
Actually I have to travel in trains a lot and have to carry my rMBP in my briefcase/suitcase. Today while cleaning my rMBP's screen I noticed a key print on the screen (sort of like that in staingate's cases, but very mild, you have to turn off the display and look extremely closely to notice it, but it definitely is a key print). I am losing my sleep over this. It's just been 5 months since I bought this laptop and I've been taking great care of it. I keep sticky and oily hands away from this, but still don't know why this happened. Probably because of some pressure on laptop while travelling...

In almost 7 years I haven't seen any negative effects from using it, it's extremely slim and it's supposedly made from a special fabric. Just make sure you keep it clean and free from any thing that could scratch the display and you should be fine.

I highly recommend it.
 

ArmCortexA8

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My early 2015 13" rMBP has now developed the "stains" (delamination) I had it on my 2013 version of the same computer as well. They will replace the entire lid if you're under warranty. I will take mine in when the Surface Book I ordered comes in.

The whole screen / top case etc is all replaced. It's one part - not multiple parts. No matter if in warranty or not, with this issue they are replacing the whole display for free.
 

ArmCortexA8

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I've seen this issue on old MacBook Pros and even PowerBooks. Those had more space between the keyboard and screen and it still happened.

Agains this is the issue with the AR coating, nothing else. Keys will not do this and don't do this. It's an issue with the AR coating being apply during production and affects retina and non-retina displays. They keys do not touch the bezel and therefore cannot and do not create this issue.
 

ArmCortexA8

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I've been using a product called ScreenSavrz by Radtech since I bought my first aluminum Macbook back in late '08 and I've used it on a Macbook Air and now in my 13" rMBP. I have owned them for about 3 years each (I just bought the rMBP in April) and the displays have always been pristine. The funny thing is that I've been using the same one since late '08, I just wash it once a month in some mild soap. I think it's a must have.

http://www.radtech.us/products/screensavrz-macbook-pro-keyboard-cover

This is to do with the AR coating coming off and not related to the keys at all as none of the keys touch the bezel. Key prints are from the keyboard not being cleaned properly and nothing to do with the AR coating issue which is what this is all about. The product you mention will not proven the AR coating issue.
 
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