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Is the iCloud free storage allowance unfair?
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Why is more storage based on the number of devices better than more storage based on the size of the device's internal storage?
Poor is something subjective, not objective. Someone who could barely afford to survive without getting handouts and government help in the richer western countries would be able to live like high rollers in countries with a lower cost of life. So the question really is whether or not you consider an iPad (or any tablet) being a part of a normal person's belongings in the country where he's from.
I do agree with you that being able to afford an iPad either means you're not poor, or you're just really bad with financial decisions. But you can definitely be poor despite being able to spend money on things that aren't necessary for pure survival...
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So you don't really think it's a better thought?
So, you think A is better than B, but you have no argument for why this is? Even racists, who are just about the dumbest bunch of people there are, have reasons to why they think what they think. I don't think you're dumber than a racist, and I'm a bit curious to why A would be better than B.
How about if you think about it for a minute, could you give an answer to why it's a better thought, or was it just something you said that you no longer agree with having thought things through?
Don't you dare equate me not having a reason with a mother ****ing racist despite your attempt to inform me that you don't "think" I am one. You've got a lot of nerve and that is the trashiest ******** I've seen in a long time. If you want to get your ****ing point across then find another method. Don't be so ****ing ignorant.
Of course I could give you a reason but at this point I see absolutely no point in carrying on a discussion with someone like you.
Do you think the free iCloud 5GB allowance is fair for all users?
Surely it would be fairer to offer increasing capacity per iPad model. Why should someone who buys a 64GB model get the same free 5GBs as someone who only bought a 16GB model?
Apple should have offered 5GB For the 16GB model, 10GB for the 32GB model and 20GB for the 64GB model.
Edit:
Look at is as a percentage rather than GB.
16GB owners get 31% extra free icloud space
32GB owners get 15% extra free iCloud space
64GB owners get 7.8% extra free iCloud space
That doesn't seem very fair to me
I have two 64gb iPad 3 units and am still under my 5gb. I will gladly pay if I need more.
This is a free service, NOT an "ENTITLEMENT"
I disagree with the notion that "fairness" ought to be calculated as a percentage of an ipad's overall storage. You talk as though you are just paying the flash storage alone and nothing else. You mean the screen is free? You mean the battery, the internal circuitry, the labour costs etc are free?
Besides, if we were to have a breakdown of costs, I feel that the "apple premium" on icloud services (assuming there is one) would be represented more in the form of a flat sum that is tacked onto the overall cost of manufacturing the ipad. The cost of flash memory is likely just one part of the cost, not its sole determining factor.
So yes, in that sense, in the context of ipads solely, a flat 5gb storage allowance for any user, regardless of what product they own, would be more than fair, since they all play the same flat rate.
Besides, if we were to have a breakdown of costs, I feel that the "apple premium" on icloud services (assuming there is one) would be represented more in the form of a flat sum that is tacked onto the overall cost of manufacturing the ipad. The cost of flash memory is likely just one part of the cost, not its sole determining factor.
So yes, in that sense, in the context of ipads solely, a flat 5gb storage allowance for any user, regardless of what product they own, would be more than fair, since they all play the same flat rate.
Haha. I seem to remember another thread in which I mentioned that my experience is that people from North America in general tend to take things personal all the time, a post you took very personal and I felt that it kind of proved my point. Here you go again, taking things personal despite not a single bad word having been said about you. Are you deliberately doing this because of that other thread? I'm not sure... It's good trolling if it is, I have to hand it to you.
I can only stand for what I've written, not how you interpret it.
So, now that you've gotten all that anger out of your system, how about answering my question?
Why would the higher capacity models need more iCloud storage? Photos, movies, music, apps, and books, all don't count towards your limit. It's just documents and such. Backups too, but if you turn off camera roll you'll be fine.
There is no room for logic on this site. Please refrain from using it.
Can I get a mod to filter all logic please? It would be much more practical.
Unfortunately, that would require closing most threads and sending them to the Wasteland
The argument used by the OP is based on "entitlement"
Something we see a lot of these days
Apple owes us because:
1. They have tons of money (and we don't)
2. Their tons of money came from us, so they should give back to us
3. We are the customer and we are always right
4. Apple should listen to us and do what we want
5. _______ (add your favorite entitlement request)
Works well when we:
1. Damage our new device 'cause we are a klutz and want it replaced for free because Apple should have made it better
2. Turn on our device in a pitch black room and search for flaws in the backlight
3. Run test after test searching for an elusive dead pixel
4. Identify a speck of dust trying to hide behind the screen
Saying a free service is unfair is pure entitlement
Even if Apple offered nothing, it wouldn't be unfair, you get what you paid for
And if you don't feel you are getting value for what you paid for, there are other options available
I, for one, enjoy my devices (and I have plenty) and the perks that come with them
Free service? Excellent! Thank you Apple!
To some, that makes me a Fanboy
Name calling has never hurt me much
I'm much happier than someone who is always disappointed and frustrated because they didn't get their way
Cheers
Yes, this 100% free service is unfair.
If you need more space, you can always buy more. We have 3 iOS gadgets with lots of data on them backing up to iCloud and we're only using 1 GB of our allotment. It only uses more than that if I go a long time without dumping any of our photos and videos on the computer for backup.
If you need more space, you can always buy more. We have 3 iOS gadgets with lots of data on them backing up to iCloud and we're only using 1 GB of our allotment. It only uses more than that if I go a long time without dumping any of our photos and videos on the computer for backup.
I would like to see a larger allotment or more allotment per device registered under on AppleID.
I have an iPad and an iPhone under the same account. I cannot keep my photos backed up (probably more than 5gb just there) and had to delete some backups of certain programs since they tend to keep a lot of space. And I had to make sure my wife had her own, rather than split it.
That said, 5GB is more Cloud storage than I had when I bought my iP4. And the idea of doing my backups in the cloud rather than when connected is a nice thing.
Thanks apple for that.
I have an iPad and an iPhone under the same account. I cannot keep my photos backed up (probably more than 5gb just there) and had to delete some backups of certain programs since they tend to keep a lot of space. And I had to make sure my wife had her own, rather than split it.
That said, 5GB is more Cloud storage than I had when I bought my iP4. And the idea of doing my backups in the cloud rather than when connected is a nice thing.
Thanks apple for that.
Free = unfair???
Maybe apple stock holders think that way since they could be making money on that FREE service lol.
I for 1 like free and never think its unfair. I think it is nice!!
Maybe apple stock holders think that way since they could be making money on that FREE service lol.
I for 1 like free and never think its unfair. I think it is nice!!
I would assume Apple's position is to give a certain amount for free that is reasonable for most people. Beyond that they hope to sell you more space.
Now if you truly want or need to be free from a PC/mac on iOS, you probably do need to purchase more storage. Obviously 5GB is not going to be able to back up any iOS device that is used for taking a lot of pics and video.
That said I do think there needs to be improvements in the iOS iCloud backup process. For one thing, it is redundant to backup photos to PhotoStream and also to iCloud as a backup. While some, or even many, would like this I do not. I would prefer camera roll backups turn off if Photostream is on. That is, I would prefer it if PhotoStream handled video too. (I still have to leave iCloud camera roll backups off as it immediately puts me over the 5GB mark.)
I also think there is a bug in iCloud's backup process on iOS. My 4S is a real pain in the neck and I still can't seem to get its backup size under 3GB. I uncheck all app backups, and it still says the backup is over 3 gigs. What the heck is it backing up? Everything is off! No matter what I do it won't go down in size. Ugh.
Michael
Every time you back up your phone, you create a snapshot of how the phone is set up at that time. After ten backups, you will have ten snapshots. So every time you add something, the backup will increase in size. But if you delete something, the backup won't decrease in size. Because it's a backup, not a synced folder.
A backup from which you can't recover deleted files (unless you act before the next backup is being made) would be pretty useless, don't you think?
Do you think the free iCloud 5GB allowance is fair for all users?
Surely it would be fairer to offer increasing capacity per iPad model. Why should someone who buys a 64GB model get the same free 5GBs as someone who only bought a 16GB model?
Apple should have offered 5GB For the 16GB model, 10GB for the 32GB model and 20GB for the 64GB model.
Edit:
Look at is as a percentage rather than GB.
16GB owners get 31% extra free icloud space
32GB owners get 15% extra free iCloud space
64GB owners get 7.8% extra free iCloud space
That doesn't seem very fair to me
I guess you never used xmodem, huh?
I don't think you understand what I was saying. I also didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I have been using iCloud since it first went into beta. I know how it works, and indeed it works fine on my iPad, iPad 3, and iPhone 4. No ballooning of backup sizes there.Every time you back up your phone, you create a snapshot of how the phone is set up at that time. After ten backups, you will have ten snapshots. So every time you add something, the backup will increase in size. But if you delete something, the backup won't decrease in size. Because it's a backup, not a synced folder.
A backup from which you can't recover deleted files (unless you act before the next backup is being made) would be pretty useless, don't you think?
However, when I turn off iCloud backup on my iPhone 4S and get an explicit message that this will delete the iCloud backup for that device, I expect that message to be true. And indeed it does appear true as the available iCloud storage drops to exactly reflect the cumulative total of all my other iOS devices.
But when I turn iCloud backups on again on the 4S, even with ALL apps and camera roll OFF, it immediately says the backup size will be 3.5GB and that amount is immediately subtracted from available iCloud storage. Meanwhile if I do the same thing on other iOS devices, which only have camera roll backups disabled--all apps enabled--the backup size is under 300MB.
If that is by design it is a very poor design.
Michael
Do you think the free iCloud 5GB allowance is fair for all users?
Surely it would be fairer to offer increasing capacity per iPad model. Why should someone who buys a 64GB model get the same free 5GBs as someone who only bought a 16GB model?
Apple should have offered 5GB For the 16GB model, 10GB for the 32GB model and 20GB for the 64GB model.
Edit:
Look at is as a percentage rather than GB.
16GB owners get 31% extra free icloud space
32GB owners get 15% extra free iCloud space
64GB owners get 7.8% extra free iCloud space
That doesn't seem very fair to me
It's FREE!!!! They weren't giving you anything before.
Oh, I see. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
Yeah, I had that problem earlier. It's like you delete the backup, but it magically reappears when you try to create a brand new one... I encountered it when the 5 GB were out and I was going to create a new backup without the pictures. I can't for the life of me remember how I managed to fix it though.
It's actually quite possible that I made a backup to iTunes, wiped the iPad, set it up as a new one, deleted the old backup from iCloud, restored from the iTunes backup and made a new backup to iCloud.