WWDC debuts all OS platforms. Debuting watchOS during the keynote doesn't mean anything or indicate a new Watch is imminent. For Example, last year, it was heavily rumored that a new Apple Watch was going to launch during the same time as WWDC 2016, that never happened. Whole point of WWDC is to give the developers an overview and start the beta process before the worldwide public launch in September.
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Is the Series 2 still worth buying?
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WWDC debuts all OS platforms. Debuting watchOS during the keynote doesn't mean anything or indicate a new Watch is imminent. For Example, last year, it was heavily rumored that a new Apple Watch was going to launch during the same time as WWDC 2016, that never happened. Whole point of WWDC is to give the developers an overview and start the beta process before the worldwide public launch in September.
NovemberWhiskey
macrumors 68040
There's no way blood sugar monitoring comes on the next gen. We are several gens away from that IF it ever happens
On a side note, a claim from a Foxconn insider reported two weeks ago stated blood sugar monitoring will not happen by the next Gen Watch either. Apple is highly likely still in the experimental phase.
NovemberWhiskey
macrumors 68040
Not only Apple. There is currently no one who has an accurate non invasive way to monitor blood glucose. The tech just does not exist yet to do it with the accuracy it would need to clear FDA approval and be good enough to not be a complete liability nightmare.
We are years off from it going into a mainstream product like the Apple Watch. I would even say years off from it going into clinical trials.
I think these changes are likely. However, the Apple Watch moves in to small of increments to be ready by the next generation as some expect and the testing is extensive. As health orientated as Apple is, they likely will be a leader in this category when it launches.
Vanilla35
macrumors 68040
Any projection on what you think will be in the next gen? All we've heard so far is "generally speaking" (not pertaining to next gen) that they are working on a camera. Other rumors also have pointed out we will not see a redesign for this upcoming next gen either. Not really sure what else they would have to add if no camera, redesign, or glucose/further health features. Might be a super lousy spec bump, but I doubt it.
mtneer
macrumors 68040
Isn't this explainable with the newer battery on the newer S2 device? I mean, after a year or two of usage wear and tear, I would be surprised if the battery still retains the same battery charge.
Might thoughts are the next revamped Watch will launch between March through June 2018. Perhaps during WWDC with the demo of WatchOS 5.
I don't forsee an Apple Watch launching this Fall. I do see one more version of the Apple Watch using the same physical design, but reduced in size, a different Touch display and perhaps an additional size variant, with an additional casing option.
As a far a camera is concerned, I don't believe Apple will venture in this category. But I could be wrong.
If there's no blood sugar monitoring imminent, I can't see why I would upgrade from my new Nike Series 2. Series 0 already did almost everything I needed very well, except for being officially approved for pool use. My original stainless steel watch is still going strong. My daughter uses it when she assists her coach at sporting events.
I sometimes miss the look and feel of stainless steel but I really did want a Nike Sport this time and I do love it. I'm so happy they upgraded the backs of the Series 2 sport watches to ceramic. I had a gold series 1 Sport (which inexplicably bricked itself) and I did not enjoy the feel of the plastic back on my wrist. It felt more sticky and sweaty. Ceramic back has a nicer cooler feel to it.
I sometimes miss the look and feel of stainless steel but I really did want a Nike Sport this time and I do love it. I'm so happy they upgraded the backs of the Series 2 sport watches to ceramic. I had a gold series 1 Sport (which inexplicably bricked itself) and I did not enjoy the feel of the plastic back on my wrist. It felt more sticky and sweaty. Ceramic back has a nicer cooler feel to it.
Vanilla35
macrumors 68040
Yeah I could see that. Trying to figure out what else they would do assume from slight size reduction. I suppose they don't really need to do much, and therefore progression in the Apple watch area would be super slow. They already dominate that market, so no surprise there.
squirrrl
macrumors 6502a
I whole heartedly agree here with this one. And didn't Tim (or someone from Apple) say that they didn't want to have to put the watch (itself) in for clinical trials or FDA approval. I think if these complex health monitoring type of functions come to the watch, it will be in the bands so that only the bands need to go through FDA approval and not the watch itself.
Secondly, though i'm just guessing like the rest of you, I don't think the watch will:
A) launch series 3 in September.... The next watch will likely have a micro LED display and that they won't launch until mid to late 2018. The reason is probably money... they can release bands that will make them some money in the mean time without all the money spent on testing a new iteration of an Apple Watch. A yearly update only makes sense for their phones which some people like to upgrade to the newest and which makes most of their money.
B) have a camera. I think the only reason they would put a camera is for FaceTime. Even then, they would have to somehow stick a lens on the face of the watch so you can look at the watch screen and have the other person see you at the same time. I think they are not even close to being able to do this so it doesn't look crazy. It already sticks out the back of the phone... even if they could fit a camera in there somehow, it would take up battery space which no one wants to lose in place of a camera.
Hastings101
macrumors 68020
I've been wondering this too, one of my friends got an Apple Watch and it seems a lot more useful than I used to think so I kind of want one. But I guess waiting until September is the best option right now.
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Also the camera on a watch thing reminds me of those creepy Samsung Gear commercials where the guy went skiing and took pictures of some girl lol.
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Also the camera on a watch thing reminds me of those creepy Samsung Gear commercials where the guy went skiing and took pictures of some girl lol.
Vanilla35
macrumors 68040
Glucose monitoring is no where near ready yet. The Nike Apple Watch is rated at 50 snd Apple has two specific with two specific swim workouts.
Interestingly enough, when Apple was testing the Series 2 before the world wide release, they put the watch in a water simulator for weeks at a time, simulating hundreds of thousands of strokes to test the water resistance. (Jeff Williams briefed on this.) Thats what I like about Apple, is they go to great lengths to ensure their products are tested and proven ready.
Thai
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SOURCE? Not saying that you’re wrong, but are you saying this based on valid source or from other members on this forum convincing you of this?
I THINK that Apple is close. So far, i see people concluding that Tim Cook must be talking about Dexcon. Dexcon sugar monitoring requires a patch with tiny needle to be placed on your belly...it is minimally invasive device, but invasive nonetheless...something that i doubt Tim Cook will wear just for the heck of it...just to test BT connection from device to Watch. Dexcon device is NOT a new thing...it’s been around for years, but the data has always been transmitted to iPhone first. For Tim Cook to put an old device thru testing (on himself!) just to test BT connection is unlikely IMHO.
The fact that Tim Cook is WEARING something related to Watch to measure sugar is very interesting. I doubt that it is the Dexcon unit. It is something NON-invasive (no needle, no skin prick) that he can easily take it off (just before the interview).
Remember when Tim Cook gave out a nugget of info about him taking a shower with the Watch on?
Tim Cook is very calculating...he leaks information out very purposefully. And he leaks out something that is about to happen soon...NOT something that will happen years from now!
Just my 2 cents.
I can't wait to use my watch in the pool! I'm really excited about how Apple designed Series 2 for this purpose. I can always work out in the pool even when autoimmune problems flare up.
I really want to get in shape. I am not fat but I'm middle aged squishy and my dad is being really mean about it and now has branched out into trying to humiliate me in public. I can't stop him, Lord knows I've told him off plenty. And the fact remains that he is right, I'm not working hard enough at keeping myself up, so I guess I'd better do more than walking.
Lately I've been looking at this Nike watch and wishing I could run. I even signed up for the Nike run club. I'm thinking maybe I could run on good days. I don't have arthritis in my knees, yet, so far as I know. When I am not having a flare up I'm not in any pain. But I have a different form of auto immune disease.
It was really bad in college. It was hard walking all those miles around campus. I'd come home and lie in bed and cry because my knees hurt so bad. That is when I stopped running. I used to run regularly in high school. Run and lift weights. I continued to lift weights off and on until my 30's. I might take that up again with very light weights.
I have run around from time to time with the dog or kids. But taking it up as an exercise now at 50 after all I've been through with these flare ups, I would not know where to begin. My knees haven't troubled me too badly in the past few years even through some challenging hikes and I want to keep it that way. I'd be gutted if I couldn't hike anymore.
I never really had proper running shoes even in high school. I wore what my family could afford which was whatever was on sale at Kmart and the like. I'm not sure what kind of shoe to look for. I guess I'll start off walking a lot since I already do that in my Skechers. The Skechers aren't good for running though. I'm definitely going to need new shoes. I'd like those Nike shoes to match my watch bands but I guess that's not going to happen since they sold out in the first few minutes they were debuted. I don't even know if they were any good.
Thai
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Running is bad on your joints. I would just exercise via walking fast pace...the key is to get your heart rate up. Cycling is also an excellent exercise! Get a decent bike and ride. Or get an indoor bike so that you can exercise everyday without weather affecting you.
The "Source" you're requesting is An insider source from Foxconn (Who makes reports every year ) who reported to Reddit (Verified by Mods) approximately a month ago, that the Apple Watch is NOT ready for glucose monitoring due to battery requirements. Last year, this insider was highly accurate with the iPhone 7 and other 2016 product releases. It appears glucose monitoring is likely another Watch Generation out or two.
(Scroll further down on first link).
https://amp.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/6f21c7/everything_ufoxconninsider_reported_today/
(Read the comments from the Foxconn Insider in the second link answering a members question about the Watch. )
https://amp.reddit.com/r/apple/comm...ith_information_on_next_12/dif98zv/?context=3
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Oh I was afraid someone would tell me running is bad on the knees. 🙁 But I suspected as much.
I have a really nice bike I bought back when we lived near a great bike trail but now we don't have many good places to ride since we moved. Our air quality is horrible except in the Fall, too.
I might be able to pursuade my husband to bring the elliptical machine from the storage shed to the part of the basement he hasn't put all his stuff in yet. He bought that machine for himself but doesn't want any part of it now. I would be infringing on sacred "man cave" space, so I'll have to promise it's only temporary and then abide by it. 😀
It would be great if I can do SOMETHING. As it is, I feel I'm a disgrace to that little Nike swoosh on my watch face. 😛
Apple_Robert
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Running (in and of itself is not bad) on the knees nor is their any journaled evidence, that lots of running causes arthritis and the like etc.
As member mentioned, cycling is very good cardio activity without the kind of impact outdoor running can have. Swimming is even better and much easier on the body. No matter what activity you pick, the important thing is to take your time and ease into an exercise routine, not to mention getting a checkup before starting.
Don't dismiss walking. It too is of great benefit. The problem is a lot of people don't get their heart rate up (at all or much at all) during their walking for a variety of reasons, and it takes a little longer to get the weight off.
Try walking briskly for 10 mins and then walk for 1 min. Do that several times to talk with and over the course of several weeks, work your way up to longer periods of brisk walking or slow jogging.
And in my opinion, it is wrong for your dad to berate you about your weight etc. Realize, that when he is doing that, it really isn't about you. It is really about something inside him, and he is using you as the verbal punching bag. Try not to take what he says personal. Take it one step at a time and do the best you can each day. No shame in that.
squirrrl
macrumors 6502a
Thank you for the suggestions. I'll keep them in mind as I work out a plan for the summer. Lol, yeah my dad is pretty cool and we get along very well except for him being so weird about my weight. Ah well, I just worry about being healthy and in shape. And round is a shape...😛
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Alas, right now she's more like a senile aunt who is hard of hearing. 😉
Thai
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Recent article: http://time.com/4667098/is-running-bad-for-your-knees/
I think that if you have pre-disposition to arthritis, then running is bad. IF you’re healthy with good genes and young, then running maybe good.
IMO, running is not as good as cycling, swimming, or just plain fast-paced walking (to get HR up).
MRI scan post running study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20631252
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Seems like the limitation here is battery...according to “insider”. Well, wasn’t there a patent in recent past about smartbands with battery and other types of sensors from Apple? And how knowledgeable is this insider...how high up is he in the food chain?
A smart band that connects to Watch with its own battery could be the answer to this limitation.
Now, if this insider said something like the sensor is highly inaccurate or just plain in infancy, then i can see it being delayed for years.
With constant S-chips improvement in efficiency and size and it looks like Apple is not pursuing Always-On display (no patent to suggest such), i am wondering if they are aiming for features that improve health.
Anyways, i can dream for now...hopefully, my dream will be realized soon! And i am not even diabetic but i can see this type of all-day sugar monitoring shaping the way i eat.
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Obviously I don't know who this Foxconn insider is. But in any case, past iPhone rumors were very accurate and all of the latest rumors seem to align with future product predictions. My guess is they have intel on production and once they have as much information as they possibly can obtain, it's intentionally leaked. (Usually once a year on Apples entire product line or products manufactured through Foxconn as one of the suppliers.)
I do think glucose monitoring is a huge advantage. Sugar intake is crucial for a healthier lifestyle. I believe you mentioned you don't like exercise in other threads, glucose monitoring could at least be a gateway for someone who doesn't excercise to monitor their sugar intake. I do believe this technology is coming to the Apple Watch, but it's really difficult to say when, but it's clear they're experimenting with it.