Is the Solid State Drive worth it?

[wallysb01]

A slippery slope with an inconsequential destination which rather serves as an analogy for style vs function.

That's a lot of words to describe what was still just a slippery slope fallacy. You can't rationalize this, no matter how cute you want to get.

The thing I was focused on was criticizing the notion that an SSD only helps with boot time or a slight tweak of application launching. Its a summation that is giving people the wrong idea in some posts on this site that an SSD is not all it actually does end up being cracked up to be secretly.

Then stay focused on that. Running down that slippery slope to other aspects of computing and arguing with words you put in another person's mouth is just not valid.

Why are people trying to downplay this? Is it because they haven't tried one and just read theories about it?

People are voicing their opinions of what's worth it or not. There is no factually correct answer. It depends on what you do, your preferences, and how much you value a dollar.

 

[muratb]

Worth it..

All I can say, I have it and I would never go back to old tech harddisk..

SSD vs harddisk....
Mac vs windows....

guest who wins?

 

[anthony11]

I just pulled the trigger on a 120GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G SSD and a Seagate Momentus XT 500GB Hybrid for my new MBP

Hope you don't encounter the excessive head load cycle problem -- that's stopped me from putting a larger disk into my MBP.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

That's a lot of words to describe what was still just a slippery slope fallacy. You can't rationalize this, no matter how cute you want to get.

Well there was no fallacy. A slippery slope fallacy means that one is jumping steps to get to a beneficial conclusion or un-proven notion.

The difference with what I was saying is that mine was rather an analogy. I wasn't saying the statement. I was drawing a parallel and referencing the idea of the slope. The slope itself wasn't the point.

Such a fallacy occurs when someone is trying to prove the point using the slope as their line of reasoning.

You mistakenly saw the line of reasoning as the thesis statement but it wasn't. It was a way to convey something. Just like how Jesus spoke in parallels, I drew a parallel to not needing nice things. SSD supposedly being analogous to Mac, and HDD to PC.

Make sense?

Then stay focused on that. Running down that slippery slope to other aspects of computing and arguing with words you put in another person's mouth is just not valid.

Its valid now that you see the parallels I was drawing to the main thesis right?

People are voicing their opinions of what's worth it or not. There is no factually correct answer. It depends on what you do, your preferences, and how much you value a dollar.

That's why I suspect that some people are voicing opinions that are misguidedly downplaying the benefit of SSD. Maybe people who decided against buying one just yet after reading about it, and want to downplay the benefit because they don't have one and want to justify it.

Hey, WE ARE human.

There is a factually correct way to describe to readers what to expect and how to make a well-informed decision. Are you misleading them? Or giving them proper perspective?

 

[wallysb01]

Well there was no fallacy. A slippery slope fallacy means that one is jumping steps to get to a beneficial conclusion or un-proven notion.

The difference with what I was saying is that mine was rather an analogy. I wasn't saying the statement. I was drawing a parallel and referencing the idea of the slope. The slope itself wasn't the point.

That's quite wrong. You did in fact draw a line. You're using the fact that someone might not prefer a SSD to that the same "logic" would require we do not accept the usage of Mac over PC. You stated, "You just said it again: the overwhelming majority of the time there is no difference. Like the only reason an SSD might be worth it is if it makes you read web content faster? Continuing down that path of logic we can argue that Macs aren't worth it over PCs either." (Emphasis mine)

Bobby, if that's not drawing a line, then I'm batman.

That's why I suspect that some people are voicing opinions that are misguidedly downplaying the benefit of SSD. Maybe people who decided against buying one just yet after reading about it, and want to downplay the benefit because they don't have one and want to justify it.

Hey, WE ARE human.

There is a factually correct way to describe to readers what to expect and how to make a well-informed decision. Are you misleading them? Or giving them proper perspective?

Now you're making an appeal to motive. Maybe people haven't bought one because of the reasons they are citing? Its not like SSDs are some super-luxury item, which people already willing to spend $2K on a laptop couldn't afford. They probably instead just don't think its worth it, given their needs. Maybe some are misguided, but you have to understand that you haven't really done a bang-up job showing how they are misguided. This leads me to wonder if you're not also among the misguided?

Anyway this has turned into game. We're off topic. Lets let the thread continue on topic.

 

[Naimfan]

Running down that slippery slope to other aspects of computing and arguing with words you put in another person's mouth is just not valid.



People are voicing their opinions of what's worth it or not. There is no factually correct answer. It depends on what you do, your preferences, and how much you value a dollar.

The above. I've used SSDs and deem them not "worth" it. They provide minimal benefits in exchange for less storage and much higher cost.

As to your ludicrous "argument" that nothing "newer" is ever worth it, the simple fact that I bought a new i5 13" demolishes any point you were trying to make.

Also, Jesus spoke in "parables," not "parallels." And with that, I think no more attention need be paid to you. Oh, and you're welcome, by the way.

In the end you're one of those guys who tries to sound smart . . . but in this case you got caught up using it in the wrong context

See above.

Hence, bye.

 

[mark28]

Easy way to determine if it's worth to you.

Go to the Apple store and play around with a 2011 Sandy Bridge MBA that has a SSD. Then play around on the iMac and MBP with HDD.

Then see if the speed increase is worth the price tag and the reduction of storage space.

Me personally, I'm going to wait for SSD's to mature and OS X to support Trim.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

That's quite wrong. You did in fact draw a line. You're using the fact that someone might not prefer a SSD to that the same "logic" would require we do not accept the usage of Mac over PC. You stated, "You just said it again: the overwhelming majority of the time there is no difference. Like the only reason an SSD might be worth it is if it makes you read web content faster? Continuing down that path of logic we can argue that Macs aren't worth it over PCs either." (Emphasis mine)

Bobby, if that's not drawing a line, then I'm batman.



Now you're making an appeal to motive. Maybe people haven't bought one because of the reasons they are citing? Its not like SSDs are some super-luxury item, which people already willing to spend $2K on a laptop couldn't afford. They probably instead just don't think its worth it, given their needs. Maybe some are misguided, but you have to understand that you haven't really done a bang-up job showing how they are misguided. This leads me to wonder if you're not also among the misguided?

Anyway this has turned into game. We're off topic. Lets let the thread continue on topic.

Like I just said in the last post in red (go back and re-read it). You misunderstood the statement. If anything, I was sarcastically implying that Naimfans logic would be the slippery slope. I wasn't saying the phrase straight.

Third time: I wasnt saying the phrase straight.

The sentence right before is key for the context. I was sarcastically implying that such a notion is ridiculous, not actually using it as my argument.

In the end you're one of those guys who tries to sound smart using professional logic rules terms in an amateur argument (like saying "that's a strawman" or "slippery slope") but in this case you got caught up using it in the wrong context and now you're trying to backtrack cuz you got busted. Lol it's cool.

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The above. I've used SSDs and deem them not "worth" it. They provide minimal benefits in exchange for less storage and much higher cost.

As to your ludicrous "argument" that nothing "newer" is ever worth it, the simple fact that I bought a new i5 13" demolishes any point you were trying to make.

Hence, bye.

Minimal is subjective and there is no ultimate right or wrong.

It's just your opinion. Nothing more.

Nothing you say Actually matters or is real beyond being what you subjectively feel.

In your opinion it is minimal, but in my opinion and the opinions of many others, it is significant.

You don't have to get one, but I think they are worth it. A lot of people also agree.

The behavior is noticeable and is one of the best upgrades I've gotten in years. They are super worth it. Thank you.

 

[beosound3200]

there isn't much to debate here, the ssds ARE BETTER then hdds, they improve the slowest component in computer (and it was about time!), and are silent without any moving parts so they bring reliability to a whole new level (in laptops)

in my opinion, all high end laptops in 2012 should come with ssds standard and with an option for a 1tb hdd for those who need space, the ssds are a must for todays computers

if you have the money, buy it, finally our mighty computers with billions and billions transistors can be as snappy as an iphone

 

[Bobby Corwen]

The above. I've used SSDs and deem them not "worth" it. They provide minimal benefits in exchange for less storage and much higher cost.

As to your ludicrous "argument" that nothing "newer" is ever worth it, the simple fact that I bought a new i5 13" demolishes any point you were trying to make.

Also, Jesus spoke in "parables," not "parallels." And with that, I think no more attention need be paid to you. Oh, and you're welcome, by the way.

See above.

Hence, bye.

Rude.

If someone should feel that way towards me because I typed the same word twice instead of typing what I meant due to not proofreading on my phone, then what should they think about the idea that you are fundamentally wrong about this whole topic? Obviously your logic is broken.

I think your negative attitude and your attempt to judgementaly malign my character shows people enough of your character to make up their mind about you.

 

[Naimfan]

Rude.

If someone should feel that way towards me because I typed the same word twice instead of typing what I meant to due to not proofreading on my phone, then what should they think about the idea that you are fundamentally wrong about this whole topic? Obviously your logic is broken.

I think your negative attitude and your attempt to judgementaly malign my character shows people enough of your character to make up their mind about you.

Oh, so now facts are rude?

Whatever.

As to being fundamentally wrong, you might just take a look at how many times you've contradicted yourself in this thread. I've written no judgments about you personally, I've merely pointed out (as have others) that your attempts at argument are not arguments at all but merely opinion.

And your pathetic attempts at ad hominems, to say nothing about your efforts to put words in others' mouths, say everything necessary about you.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Annyyyyywayyyyyysss....

Back on topic lol

 

[neenja]

mbp 4,1 early 2008.

lookin for 120gb ssd. which one is the best bang for the buck?

 

[MarocSpecops]

its double worth it. no bottlenecksssss ever

 

[gnozh]

Positively. When you get your hands on a SSD, you can NEVER go back.

 

[mark28]

Maybe some interesting numbers of the failure rates of SSD vs HDD.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/810-6/taux-pannes-composants.html

Only Intel SSD offer superior reliability over HDD. The rest of the SSD are just as reliable / unreliable as HDD. Just like Neweggs, these numbers confirm that OCZ is the SSD with the highest failure rate.

 

[tinkori]

Yes I have seen other SSDs develop errors like those from Corsair. My intel x25-ms are awesome .... for the last 1.5 yrs, no issues at all. In fact I just bought a 13 MBP and swapped the hdd with my old 120gb x25-m and added 8gb ram. The machine screams!

Maybe some interesting numbers of the failure rates of SSD vs HDD.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/810-6/taux-pannes-composants.html

Only Intel SSD offer superior reliability over HDD. The rest of the SSD are just as reliable / unreliable as HDD. Just like Neweggs, these numbers confirm that OCZ is the SSD with the highest failure rate.

 

[alphaod]

Is the Solid State Drive worth it?

If you're going to be using this MacBook Pro everyday and the time saved with a solid drive will benefit you, either financially or let you get other things done with the time spared, it may be worth it.

I remember back a couple years, I bought a MTron SSD for 64GB SSD for $1500+; was it worth it to me? Well I was using it a lot and most laptop HDDs weren't that fast back then; every day I'd think I must have saved a hour of waiting (maybe not that much), but it sure felt like that. Over time it felt I saved a lot of time in my workflow. Time is money as they say.

Basically, as long as benefit exceeds cost, it's worth it to me. That's goes for just about everything I buy.

 

[OTACORB]

You won't miss what you've never had and clearly there are several people in here chiming in that has never had an SSD. They are just looking at cost and storage, throwing up a red flag telling others they aren't worth it. Okay they aren't worth it to you.

I have converted all my notebooks and even my Mac Mini to SSD. They are faster and not just booted faster (those that say you only notice it during boot) again you've never had one. There are many things I do where I notice the difference using an SSD.

My suggestion to anyone thinking about an SSD, buy one from a dealer like OWC (macsales.com) and you have 30 days with no question asked return policy. You won't return it though cause once you use one, you'll see just what I do and you'll be in heaven.

People will waste money on cigarettes and other tabacco products and yet complain about the cost of an SSD drive. Amazing!

 

[neenja]

for my early 08 4,1 mbp, will the 120GB Mercury Electra 6G from owc be ok?

 

[BLOCKMONSTER]

for my early 08 4,1 mbp, will the 120GB Mercury Electra 6G from owc be ok?

Yes but since you have an early 08... i believe it only does 1.5gb/s and nt the full 3gb/s. But I could be wrong.

Basically what im saying is, you can get a sata2 ssd and be fine without spending sata3 price.

EDIT: Nevermind... Some sata3 120gb is the same price as sata2 120gb. WTF.

 

[neenja]

gotcha, so i should be lookin for sata2 which should be cheaper?

whats the best one thats i can get for a good price? now i feel like im over paying for the mercury electra 6g.. specially if my system cant utilize it to its full potential. i saw it for roughly $200 on owc

 

[Minhthien]

Yes I have seen other SSDs develop errors like those from Corsair. My intel x25-ms are awesome .... for the last 1.5 yrs, no issues at all. In fact I just bought a 13 MBP and swapped the hdd with my old 120gb x25-m and added 8gb ram. The machine screams!

You should call apple care ASAP!

 

[OTACORB]

gotcha, so i should be lookin for sata2 which should be cheaper?

whats the best one thats i can get for a good price? now i feel like im over paying for the mercury electra 6g.. specially if my system cant utilize it to its full potential. i saw it for roughly $200 on owc

Just make sure whatever you get that your model is compatible. One thing to consider is if you plan to upgrade your current model to a newer one, it maybe smart to go ahead and invest in the 6g model. Again though check compatibility. Price wise none of these companies seem to make a difference between the 3g and 6g models.

Per the web site:
This OWC Mercury Electra 6G SSD is performance certified for use with all Macs and PCs equipped with SATA Revisions 3.0, 2.0, and 1.0 interfaces (SATA 6Gb/s, 3Gb/s & 1.5Gb/s) except for the following machines:

2011 MacBook Pro 17" (Model ID MacBookPro8,3)
There are sporadic reports of 2011 17" MacBook Pro "Core i7" models (model ID 8,3) exhibiting fluctuating performance results with ANY brand 6Gb/s SATA Revision 3.0 SSD. It has been determined this is related to an Apple manufacturing issue. Some customers have found the OWC Shielding Kit improves some or all of the performance results, however there are instances where it has not. The fluctuating performance results do not occur when using our '3G' (3Gb/s) SSD model in this machine.

2008 MacBook Pro 15" (Model ID MacBookPro5,X and Macbook 5,1)
While a 6G SSD does function in a 2008 MacBook Pro 15" and 13" Macbook, it will only do so at SATA Revision 1.0 (1.5Gb/s) speeds rather that the SATA Revision 2.0 (3.0Gb/s) the machine is rated for. We have also experienced odd behavior such as system lock ups and random stalls in performance. As such, a 6G SSD is NOT recommended for this machine. Instead, the Mercury Extreme Pro 3.0Gb/s SSD does run at the full SATA Revision 2.0 (3Gb/s) specification and is highly recommended for use with this machine.

 

[2hvy4grvty]

The above. I've used SSDs and deem them not "worth" it. They provide minimal benefits in exchange for less storage and much higher cost.

As to your ludicrous "argument" that nothing "newer" is ever worth it, the simple fact that I bought a new i5 13" demolishes any point you were trying to make.

Also, Jesus spoke in "parables," not "parallels." And with that, I think no more attention need be paid to you. Oh, and you're welcome, by the way.



See above.

Hence, bye.

Why do you keep thumbs upping your own posts?