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iPhone XR Is the XR Display Going To Look Like Garbage When Displaying Text?
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At 12-18 inches your eye cannot discern pixels above 300ppi. This is scientific fact you can look up. That is why magazine print is 300dpi.
Sure if you hold it to your nose you'll see pixels, which then you're just trying to convince yourself the PPI is bad as there is no reasonable use situation to do that (plus it can damage your eyes).
There is no possible way you can tell 75 pixels per inch are missing from the Plus 401ppi at any reasonable viewing distance.
Sure if you hold it to your nose you'll see pixels, which then you're just trying to convince yourself the PPI is bad as there is no reasonable use situation to do that (plus it can damage your eyes).
There is no possible way you can tell 75 pixels per inch are missing from the Plus 401ppi at any reasonable viewing distance.
300 dpi in print is a bit different from 300 ppi if I’m not mistaken. Anyway, for most kind of things that show on screen that’s true, not much of a difference. Not so for text, the difference is noticeable enough there if you know what to look for. Especially if you are coming from an X or another good OLED. You won’t see pixels, but you’ll see some slight jaggedness or artifacts at certain spots in it.
It doesn’t make the display crap or thrash by any means, but it can be noticed at normal viewing distances, for certain things.
If people can’t tell the difference with text between the 8 and 8 Plus they aren’t going to think the XR looks bad.
I can personally tell the difference between the 8 and 8 Plus...which has me worried about the XR.
I can personally tell the difference between the 8 and 8 Plus...which has me worried about the XR.
No, of course not. Apple wouldn’t release junk. It will not look as good as the XS, of course, but only when comparing between the two. In the end, you’ll just have to decide if it’s good enough to go for the budget model. For a lot of people, it’ll be just fine.
There is a small difference between them iirc. Something like on paper ink having a very small blotch and blending with the surrounding dots of paint better than pixels can or something like that.
So in other words what you meant by "Is the XR display going to look like garbage?" is "I've decided the XR display is going to be garbage with my super human vision. Let's complain about it". You are not listening to people saying otherwise.
I agree with you. I had an 8 plus went to the 6 and now the max and there’s no difference.
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People just fall for the marketing schemes.
Science doesn’t say that. Science says for average vision at a beyond about 12 inches, most people cannot discern individual pixels at 326 ppi.
However, if you have better than average eyesight or else well-corrected eyesight with glasses, it's fairly common to be able to tell the quality difference between a 326 ppi 6s and a 401 ppi 6s Plus.
For example it's fairly easy for me to tell the difference in quality between an 8 and 8 Plus at a viewing distance of 11-12".
While I don't necessarily resolve individual pixels, I can see softness of the text on the 8 (and my wife's 6s) due to subpixel antialiasing. That softness is not there on my 7 Plus, the 8 Plus I've checked out, or the XS Max either. Both the Plus and the Max small fonts look crisper in comparison.
A 326 ppi screen is not the end of the world, but once you see the quality difference, you can't unsee it, and it can be annoying to some people.
Your nephew's 8 Plus has a pixel density of 401 ppi. That's arguably higher than even the XS Max. The XS Max has a pixel density of 458 ppi, but OLED pixels only have 2 subpixels, whereas LCD pixels are comprised of 3 subpixels.
BTW, the guy who runs DisplayMate (the site does the yearly phone screen comparisons) says a person with perfect vision can resolve up to 477 ppi at 12 inches. That seems way too high to me though for general usage, since I'm guessing anything beyond about 375 ppi in LCD terms is probably great for the vast majority of the population.
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Here we go:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/b...resolving-the-iphone-resolution/#.W7QJCacZNR4
Let me make this clear: if you have perfect eyesight, then at one foot away the iPhone 4’s pixels are resolved. The picture will look pixellated. If you have average eyesight, the picture will look just fine.
So in a sense, both Jobs and Soneira are correct. At the very worst, you could claim Jobs exaggerated; his claim is not true if you have perfect vision. But for a lot of people, I would even say most people, you’ll never tell the difference. And if you hold the phone a few inches farther away it’ll look better.
So in my opinion, what Jobs said was fine. Soneira, while technically correct, was being picky. So I mildly disagree with him about that.
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Thank you for the thoughtful response! I currently have the XS Max (it’s awesome) but I’m probably going to downgrade to a 7 Plus or 8 Plus due to how the Max uses PWM on their OLED screens. Getting headaches and eye fatigue and I never had it with my older LCD iPhones.
I really want the XR because it’s the best LCD technology, with most of the bells and whistles the Max has, but the text looks “soft” as you described which would drive me crazy.
Thanks again for your response!
There’s very very little difference in text sharpness at normal viewing differences. Well, I’d say none, but there probably is a slight difference.
I think the “326ppi is not as crisp” crowd may be perceiving the difference in contrast as a difference in text clarity.
Anyway, while I do see tiny differences between LCD and OLED screens, I can’t really say which one is “better”. Different? Yes. Better? Not sure. I launch the Photos app and look at the same photos on the two screens, and notice that one has more saturated colours. Otherwise? Same display quality. Text on websites and the News app looks identical to me.
All I can say is that for the small difference in OLED displays, and the theoretical mprovements that a 458ppi screen gives me, I’d rather have better battery life and buy the XR. Other people may like the oversaturated colours of OLED screens and are OK with the battery because they’re not heavy phone users.
I think the “326ppi is not as crisp” crowd may be perceiving the difference in contrast as a difference in text clarity.
Anyway, while I do see tiny differences between LCD and OLED screens, I can’t really say which one is “better”. Different? Yes. Better? Not sure. I launch the Photos app and look at the same photos on the two screens, and notice that one has more saturated colours. Otherwise? Same display quality. Text on websites and the News app looks identical to me.
All I can say is that for the small difference in OLED displays, and the theoretical mprovements that a 458ppi screen gives me, I’d rather have better battery life and buy the XR. Other people may like the oversaturated colours of OLED screens and are OK with the battery because they’re not heavy phone users.
Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean nobody can see it.
For a lot of us it's not really hard to see the difference.
That's not to say the 326 ppi screens are crap. Far from it. They're actually pretty good. However, the 8 Plus and OLED screens are simply better in terms of text clarity. It has nothing to do with contrast. In fact, contrast ratio is slightly higher on the 8 at 1400:1 than it is on the 8 Plus at 1300:1, but the 8 Plus has crisper text even when the font size is the same.
I wish it had a higher PPI, 400 would do, but what i'm hoping for is a display that supersedes all prior Apple LCDs - this is a flagship LCD display made my Japan Display so I have hopes that there is something to it that blows other Apple LCDs (traditionally excellent) out of the water.
Unfortunately we already know the brightness level, the PPI, that its probably going to have a warm 6500K white point which Apple has been honing in on closer to every year, and soft/accurate P3 gamut - in other words in reality I don't think there is anywhere for us to be pleasantly surprised here.
Unfortunately we already know the brightness level, the PPI, that its probably going to have a warm 6500K white point which Apple has been honing in on closer to every year, and soft/accurate P3 gamut - in other words in reality I don't think there is anywhere for us to be pleasantly surprised here.
Indeed.
Furthermore, I've been predicting a new LCD model next year... that is also 326 ppi... a 5.5" 19.5:9 aspect ratio 750x1624 model. So, next year, besides the 8 Plus, they'd have two 326 ppi LCD models, along side their two (pseudo-)458 ppi OLED models.
Ok y’all, it’s very easy to notice blurry text on the 6,7, and 8. Retina for these phones is at 10.6” away from a user’s face. I use my phone much closer than that. The XS Max is retina up to 7.5” and is a much larger display so its effective density is increased even more so.
Compared to the Xs Max, yes, it will look like worse. Sorry.
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Go watch all the videos on YouTube of people using the XR at the Apple event. Count how many of them comment on how bad the screen is. I'm going to guess that number is less than 1.
OK, but the thread title sounds like a classic bit of troll bait. Garbage? Of course it won't look like garbage. A "non-troll" thread title would've been something like "Is the XR display going to be noticeably inferior compared to the 6/7/8 Plus models?"
I believe everyone that claims they can distinguish between 326 and 401 ppi (let alone XS/XS Max resolution). If I'm looking closely enough, I can too. That said, 326 is sufficient for me. It's what I'm used to, and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything at this pixel density.
I'm reserving judgment on the XR's display until I actually see it for myself. I mean, for all I know, the XR will indeed look like garbage - but no one can make that assertion based strictly on ppi. That's silly.
Well, I just pulled the trigger on the 7 Plus Jet Black 128gb (Refurbished) for $569 on Apple's website. This has absolutely nothing to do with money, but the PWM on the Max is driving my eyes (and head) crazy.
I don't plan on using this phone for more than a year, but on the bright side, after returning my Max with Apple Care, I'll be getting over $900 back.
I'll check out the XR when it comes out, but I already looked a few friends 7/8's and the text doesn't look as crisp the Plus models...so I'll go with the higher PPI of an older (refurbished) Plus.
Good luck to all those getting the XR!
326 PPI LCD on a $750 smartphone is garbage in 2018. Period. It’s very easy to see the difference and compared to a 2K AMOLED on the Galaxy S9 it’s embarrassing Apple can get away with it in this day and age.
I apologize for my extremely negative attitude but the XR and XS’ prices are a bit frustrating.
I apologize for my extremely negative attitude but the XR and XS’ prices are a bit frustrating.