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All the UI text is too small if you don't have 20/20 vision. I'm talking about the text in dialog boxes, menu, settings, tool type, etc. What's worse, all apps follow this base line text size. Only way to make it bigger is to run in lower resolution, which is stupid

I can't stand the attitude of people who as long as something works for them think they can tell other people to f*** off and use something else
I am nowhere close to 20/20 vision, even with glasses my vision is quite bad. But I can get by just fine with native resolution.
 
Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I would support having more ways for users to customize things like this on MacOS. But not sure that I understand the complaint here. Just did a quick comparison by lining up MacOS Mountain Lion (left) Monterey (center) and Windows 10 (right) windows simultaneously on the same monitor using Parallels.

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To my eyes, it appears that the "traffic light" buttons are a little larger on Monterey than they were on Mountain Lion and not all that much smaller (although closer together) than Windows. Sorry, have not used Ventura or Sonoma. The font size on Windows actually looks smaller but maybe I changed some settings?

Anyway, thought it would be interesting to do a quick comparison where everything is showing on the same screen at the same time. I really don't have any problems with these interface issues on either the Mac or Windows. For me, operating systems are just tools for getting a job done. I have plenty of likes/dislikes, but try not to dwell on them.

I'm using a 2018 Mini with a 32 inch QHD (2560x1440) BenQ DesignView Monitor running at native resolution with no scaling. When I got this computer, there was a lot of discussion about display scaling causing performance issues with the UHD 630 graphics chip on the 2018 Mini, so I got a screen that would give me reasonable sized text at native resolution. I was happy with the ancient 23" Apple Cinema display I'd used before which is 100 dpi, so I got this screen which is around 94 dpi (a bit larger text, which I like). FWIW, I'm 75 years old and have always worn glasses.

So, this makes me wonder whether the complaints here have more to do with the size/resolution of the monitors you are using (such as the built-in screen on a laptop or an iMac)? I considered getting an iMac instead of a Mini back in 2020, but went with the Mini primarily because I wanted to make my own screen choice.
I agree. Also, I find the classic menu system Windows has (File, Edit, View, etc) to be much harder to read than Apple's implementation. It is actually on Windows I need to lower my resolution as the menu bar is an old 1990s style.
 
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The “lights” are a relic and an indicator


Why is your preference to do things the hard way?
I use Windows, so it is not the hard way for me. Only on the Mac. If it's no big deal, why doesn't Apple just fix it? Accessibility is all the rage these days. Except when it isn't.
 
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I use Windows, so it is not the hard way for me. Only on the Mac. If it's no big deal, why doesn't Apple just fix it? Accessibility is all the rage these days. Except when it isn't.

It’s also simpler and more efficient to use the keyboard in windows as well

Every time you reach for the mouse when you could be using the keyboard you are cheating yourself

Not sure how using an extra device makes it more accessible ?
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And if you only use windows why do you care about something in macOS anyway?
 
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Why are people asking “why are you trying to click on them?”

That’s literally the only point of them …to be clicked

Yes they are there to be clicked, but if Simeon is having trouble clicking them for some reason then there is another option, which just so happenes
to be easier and more ergonomic than grabbing for the mouse
 
It’s also simpler and more efficient to use the keyboard in windows as well

Every time you reach for the mouse when you could be using the keyboard you are cheating yourself

Not sure how using an extra device makes it more accessible ?
……

And if you only use windows why do you care about something in macOS anyway?
Some people get my point. Some don't. You don't. That is fine with me.
 
The ability to scale various parts of the UI to suit the users preferences, or needs

That’s precisely what accessibility settings are / are for
… to make something more “accessible”

You can set command-scroll (or whatever you want) to zoom the ui

You could change the resolution

Maybe you just need a larger monitor?

Or again, and I don’t understand why this isn’t a good enough solution, just use the keyboard to manipulate windows like I presume most people do
 
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I give up

The internet has become exhausting

For some reason, nothing can be discussed without some version of "yeah but..." showing up everywhere

I wish people would realize that you don't have to comment on something ... especially if you don't actually understand what is being asked about or discussed.

It's ok to "not comment"
😣
 
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If it was a "proper" refresh, they would have fixed this. It speaks to inaccessibility.

Good article. This sums up my argument:

"In Mac OS X, the red/yellow/green buttons in window title bars are much smaller and closely-spaced compared to other UI elements like toolbar buttons.

Making UI elements small makes them harder to click, especially at higher resolutions on smaller screens, when using non-mouse (trackpad) interfaces, or for elderly/young/disabled users."

Also, they really do not even have to make them actually bigger. Just increase the "active" area around them like Windows did with their - _ X in the upper right of each window. A no brainer, Apple!

It doesn’t need “fixing” as it’s not “broken”. They are plenty large enough to see and click.
It’s not a Fisher-Price UI.

EDIT: They are large enough unless there are vision or maybe control issues, or if you have a 16” MBP, then yes, they could be larger.
 
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It doesn’t need “fixing” as it’s not “broken”. They are plenty large enough to see and click.
It’s not a Fisher-Price UI.
Maybe it’s okay for you, but you’re literally replying to a thread made by someone who finds those buttons inadequate and too small. To argue that they’re “plenty large enough to see and click” in this thread just comes across as being wilfully obtuse.
 
It doesn’t need “fixing” as it’s not “broken”. They are plenty large enough to see and click.
It’s not a Fisher-Price UI.
That's a really terrible thing to say. With the accessibility dynamic text sizes turned up to the largest size on an iPhone you'd probably say the same thing and some people need it to be like that.
 
but why are you trying to click the buttons when it's so much easier to just use he keyboard?!?!?

well. while i also prefer keyboard shortcuts, there's no keyboard shortcut for the green (Zoom) button.

yes, there's a Zoom menu to which, with some effort, you can assign a shortcut (which is an option for rather advanced users). plus, not all apps even have this menu.

but even if you do assign a shortcut to the Zoom menu, it still remains useless due to the IDIOTIC way the action of this button is implemented:

option-clicking the Zoom button makes the button act in its originally intended way (that is, zoom instead of full-screen).

BUT selecting the Zoom menu while holding Option makes ALL windows zoom (which was the original behavior before the full-screen action was implemented).

bottom line: there's no choice but to use the mouse when dealing with at least the green button.
 
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