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Why do you even care? If you don't like it, don't buy it, install it, or pay attention to it.

...and to those who already have? What should we do?

It's not like we were given a chance to give it a test drive before hand. Either we upgraded or we didn't... and, if we did, we're not stuck.

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Ya, they had another year on the contract. It would've been another year with zero turn-by-turn in the native app. They weighed it and decided turn-by-turn was important enough to switch now.

Right. Who cares if you end up in the wrong place so long as the phone tells you turn-by-turn how to get to the wrong place.
 
The new maps are a total and utter disaster. They knew darn well that the "new" maps were inferior to the Google maps, but they didn't care and they felt that the turn by turn directions were a must have feature for iOS 6. I completely disagree! I'd rather have my street view and traffic with correct addresses. Every single bussiness in my area is in the wrong place and I don't mean by a few hundred feet, I mean by a few blocks. It's crazy stupid on their part to put this out when they had a completely perfect product and now they have to start from scratch. I use the maps app every single day for work and personal use and now I can't downgrade to iOS 5. It's frustrating, if you couldn't tell. Sorry for the rant, but I needed to get that off of my chest.
 
If you bought a phone so you could have a map and you are unhappy, return the phone and get something you like better. Truth is many of the complainers don't want to do that. They just like complaining. It makes their dopamine flow.
 
If you bought a phone so you could have a map and you are unhappy, return the phone and get something you like better. Truth is many of the complainers don't want to do that. They just like complaining. It makes their dopamine flow.

...and those of us who have had the phone for years and just lost a decent chunk of the way it functions for us?

I guess we should just suck it up, move on, and forget about not only the maps, but all of our third party apps which rely on them (and are equally useless)?
 
Apple was in an unenviable spot and had to make a decision. They could either renew their license with Google and live with a lackluster Maps app that they couldn’t control, or they could run with a lackluster Maps app of their own creation that they could control.

Buy an Android phone. That will solve the problem. Let me explain.

It turns out that Apple still had a one year contract with Google Maps when they released the iPhone5. They could have kept Google Maps, and hired tons of people to bring the apps up to par.

I have precious litte time on my hands and wish to spend it on my own projects and with my family, rather than help Apple, the world's wealthiest company, with their poorly conceived mapping program. i feel as if Apple has stole money from those who bought the iPhone5. Apple'sr false advertising and overzealous rush to put out their own mapping program on the market is atrocious. This is a program that they knew was not up to standards. Why in the world would they want to screw me and you, their customer?? We are not imbeciles.

Here's how I am going to help them. I will buy an Android phone and won't have any of those problems. Apple's phones are no longer number one, because of their outrageous decision and poor business decision to put out an inferior product and jettison a superior mapping program. Maybe if everyone purchased Android phones instead, Apple would get its act together faster.

I love Apple products, but if there exists a better solution in Android phones, I will pick one up. We are not beholden to Apple. Brand loyalty goes out the window when a company openly lies about their product's capabilities. I am nobody's fool.

Apple did this with Siri also, but it is not excusable to put out a poor mapping program. Obviously, the new management at Apple, seems not to care about their products anymore.
 
Buy an Android phone. That will solve the problem. Let me explain.

We are not beholden to Apple. Brand loyalty goes out the window when a company openly lies about their product's capabilities. I am nobody's fool.

Yep,

Add to the fact that the iPhone and IOS are looking ludicrously tired in today's market.

IOS6 has been a real stinker. When you think of the many, many features that could easily be added and what do we get? Do Not Disturb. Yep, the only useful feature to come from a major update is one that should have come in IOS4.

The iPhone is now AT LEAST 1 year behind the competition. And the Maps fiasco just pushes it ever further into the dark ages.

Time to shake off those shackles me thinks.
 
Yeah, lets all help the richest company in the world clean up their terrible half-assed mapping system...

..For free.

Sounds fair.

You realize this is how Google maps got to be as accurate as it is, right? They relied on user data.

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Right. Who cares if you end up in the wrong place so long as the phone tells you turn-by-turn how to get to the wrong place.

I seem to be in the minority on this but turn by turn has been 100% accurate for me so far.
 
Uh...If you call Google Maps Lackluster, wtf do you call Apple Maps because i'm fairly sure 99.9% of the iOS users would prefer it at this point.

Hrmm, maybe you mis-understood or just didn't read the 2nd part of my sentence. Apple staying with Google Maps in the long run is not a good strategy cause Google is purposely hiding some of the goodies so they can push Android phones. It may have more features or POI's than Apple maps today, but in the long run, no bueno.
 
Buy an Android phone. That will solve the problem. Let me explain.

It turns out that Apple still had a one year contract with Google Maps when they released the iPhone5. They could have kept Google Maps, and hired tons of people to bring the apps up to par.

Maybe this is important enough for some people to switch, but not for me. Yes, I rely on the maps on the phones too, but the phone and iOS to me is much more than just a GPS. For one, the new Photostream sharing feature has proved to be more useful and up to date for the grandparents than ever before. I'm still pretty satisfied with the phone as a whole.

To each their own I guess...

As for the one year contract with Google - whether ripping this band aid off now or a year later, the Maps product wouldn't improve much without crowd sourcing support. Some mentioned it could have been released as an alternate map, again, it wouldn't improve much without crowd sourcing support. Forcing users to one option was the only way this will be fixed in a relatively short period of time. I can sympathize with the users who are getting some of their old features ripped out but I can also see why Apple had to do what they did to control and improve their service. I would rather we live in a world where companies get along and everyone doesn't try to be everything... but that's not where we're at.
 
...and to those who already have? What should we do?

It's not like we were given a chance to give it a test drive before hand. Either we upgraded or we didn't... and, if we did, we're not stuck.

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Right. Who cares if you end up in the wrong place so long as the phone tells you turn-by-turn how to get to the wrong place.

My post was directed to a user of an Android phone. As for upgrading, the "Apple maps is a Disaster" thread could have been a warning. I do admit that not allowing downgrades is kind of strange.
 
I have been reporting every incorrect POI I have seen so far (which is several). None have been corrected yet, however. I don't know how long it takes?

But, even if the ones that don't exist are removed and the ones in the wrong place are put in the correct place, there is AFAIK no way that I can help with the POIs that *should* be there but do not appear to exist at all. Is there any way to tell Apple about things that should have a pin and should show up in a search?
 
The first thing we can do is show pride for Apple and transform this iLost crap!!! Lets all tweet:
Apple has always shown us the best, so lets support the Apple Maps team and say #iLost for now!! #AppleMapsTeam

Then Apple will show the real guns!!
 
Continue to put pressure on Apple so they will actually make it better.

If know one complained about Maps...Apple would still say its the best revolutionary maps service ever.

Glad Apple took a beating.

Just because your top or #1 doesn't mean you can't get away with subpar quality.

Think Jobs would have been pissed and made Apple work harder too. (Judging after all the things I learned from reading his biography).
 
1- Apple Maps is generally inferior vs. the previously available app, the users acknowledged it, Apple has more than acknowledged it and apologized.

2- Apple creating its maps is a business decision they have the full right to do, just as consumers have the full right not to buy their phones anymore.

3- It's impossible, for anyone, to roll-out a map app that "just works" without relying on massive user-base input: it's pretty boring to still hear people without a clue shouting at Apple as if they were a bunch of hopeless engineers that can't get a line of code right.

4- All those "if Jobs were alive...", Apple has screwed up many times before, and many more will come. Remember Mobile Me? Jobs was there, and that did not need massive user input to get sorted right.

5- Apple has made i believe two monumental mistakes: 1, it didn't call the map app a beta, instead it boasted it as if it was 100% ready. This would have stopped any user right to complain. 2, but this is tricky, it didn't keep the google map in: it's tricky as if you keep it in you exponentially reduce the amount of user input corrections you need to fix your beta, and thus you enter in a vicious circle. If you keep it out you will give your users an actually inferior experience vs. before because you are basically trying to make more money via your map app, which isn't nice. And eventually you will be probably forced to let other map apps in, including potentially a google one.

Bottom lines:
- If you plan on keeping your iphone, report errors on the map app, it's in your interest. Whining forever won't change a thing.
- If you're not satisfied with your device return it, or downgrade it to 5.1, or sell it, but for the sake of hell stop complaining.
- Anyone thinking the whole map thing was an obvious company decision that they got wrong is a fool: what would have you done, knowing that the map thing will be, in time, a major feature/business driver? Personally, but it's easy to talk later, i would have called it a beta, properly explained the advantages it has vs. Google and why we're developing it (i.e. ability to improve it vs. relying on a competitor, thus being able to ultimately deliver a better user experience once it exits the beta phase), and ask fans for their collaboration (thinking wild, even stuff like one song for free if you correct an error, but that maybe i wouldn't have keynoted it...). Anyway, this wasn't certainly an easy one.
 
1- Apple Maps is generally inferior vs. the previously available app, the users acknowledged it, Apple has more than acknowledged it and apologized.

Achnowleging and apologizing are fine, but they don't fix the current problems or functions of my phone that I lost.


- If you're not satisfied with your device return it, or downgrade it to 5.1, or sell it, but for the sake of hell stop complaining.

If we could downgrade, many of us would. Shame it's not possible since Apple won't allow it.
 
I have been reporting every incorrect POI I have seen so far (which is several). None have been corrected yet, however. I don't know how long it takes?

But, even if the ones that don't exist are removed and the ones in the wrong place are put in the correct place, there is AFAIK no way that I can help with the POIs that *should* be there but do not appear to exist at all. Is there any way to tell Apple about things that should have a pin and should show up in a search?

Drop a pin then report a problem on it. You can fill in all the details. If you can find the POI in Yelp make a note of that in the problem report so they get linked.

I find many more POIs in Yelp in my area - I wish they would all show up and be linked by default
 
I have been reporting every incorrect POI I have seen so far (which is several). None have been corrected yet, however. I don't know how long it takes?

But, even if the ones that don't exist are removed and the ones in the wrong place are put in the correct place, there is AFAIK no way that I can help with the POIs that *should* be there but do not appear to exist at all. Is there any way to tell Apple about things that should have a pin and should show up in a search?

I've also reported some incorrect POIs and they are still not fixed. However I did indicate an entire island near my city that was left unmapped, and that did get fixed. I'm guessing that Apple's priority is first to fix incorrect roads/cities/geography, and later to fix POIs.
 
1- Apple Maps is generally inferior vs. the previously available app, the users acknowledged it, Apple has more than acknowledged it and apologized.

Scott Forstall stood at WWDC '12 and called it the most "beautiful" and "awesome" Maps app - did a flawless presentation using San Francisco in his example, everything just looked dandy. At that time he must have known that this thing didn't do what he stood there and postulated. During the IOS6 beta a lot of feedback went back to Apple about this thing - I've followed at least a dozen threads here alone describing the VERY obvious lack of functionality and precision. Apple didn't change a thing. IOS6 launched and Apple praised this to be the most "beautiful, powerful mapping service ever" and then **** hit the fan.

Best case: this is incompetence - I think it's downright deceiving.

That "humble apology" is theater - nothing else.

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I've also reported some incorrect POIs and they are still not fixed. However I did indicate an entire island near my city that was left unmapped, and that did get fixed. I'm guessing that Apple's priority is first to fix incorrect roads/cities/geography, and later to fix POIs.

They are currently sending them to third party suppliers - like Yelp and TomTom, so don't expect any editions to make it anytime soon. This is as bureaucratic as it can get.

No doubt the current error-reporting won't cut it. They need a tool, it have been suggested to them a lot. But they need to get this off iDevices if they want users to make anything other than minor changes - the "tool" needs to run on OSX at least or the web in general. But since the general implementation of this thing is so fundamentally wrong, expect to see something completely different during the next couple of years - don't get too comfy with the current look and feel... Apple will start re-building this from the ground up, look forward to being beta-testers for at least 3-4 years.
 
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I've also reported some incorrect POIs and they are still not fixed. However I did indicate an entire island near my city that was left unmapped, and that did get fixed. I'm guessing that Apple's priority is first to fix incorrect roads/cities/geography, and later to fix POIs.

POIs or businesses or privately owned anything, take longer because they have to be verified with their respective owners specially if they come with more information like phone numbers and hours of operation. something big like an island or a landmark that can be verified on any paper map will move through a lot faster.

i don't see an issue with helping out. after all it can only benefit your neighborhood. why wouldn't you want iphone users to know there is a cafe or tax office on the corner from were you live? do you want them to look on their iphone and only find one a mile away skipping your neighborhood altogether?

i helped a ton on google maps and many other people did too. and google is no small company and they feed on public content like leeches. even copyrighted and personal content.

by buying an apple product you already supported apple maps. so don't kid yourself. they are here to stay and i want my neighborhood to be properly mapped on it.
 
i helped a ton on google maps and many other people did too. and google is no small company and they feed on public content like leeches. even copyrighted and personal content.

by buying an apple product you already supported apple maps. so don't kid yourself. they are here to stay and i want my neighborhood to be properly mapped on it.

I would have gladly helped more if I weren't forced into this predicament.

I offered feedback to fix my home address on their map so I could get Location Reminders and Find My Phone/ Friends working again, but I'm not going to waste the hours it would take to fix my neighborhood of a few hundred houses.
 
I would have gladly helped more if I weren't forced into this predicament.

I offered feedback to fix my home address on their map so I could get Location Reminders and Find My Phone/ Friends working again, but I'm not going to waste the hours it would take to fix my neighborhood of a few hundred houses.

I started submitting some POI's and editing some others - until I saw that they left out the local hospital, built in 1988... then I just gave up on it.
 
Yeah, people used to sing about buying the world a coke and living in harmony.

[All the 50-somethings in the crowd say "Hey - yo!"]

I think now that the issue is being characterized as a pi$$ing match between two giants, some innocent bystanders are feeling a little less generous.

Regards,
Tom

I'm 39 and I remember that clearly... :eek:
 
Good initiative! I would say:
1. Report wrong locations
2. Upload ur business info to Apple maps
3. File radars for app bugs
 
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