Is this the end of my MBP? 😩

[Minghold]

Are you saying that things I use like Microsoft Word and Photoshop that I've used for decades are not just one and done anymore, and I have to pay subscriptions to be able to use new versions of them?

Correct.

They both were pre Sierra and was told they wouldn't work on High Sierra, but they both did. I know they're finished after HS, and would have to splash out on new software?

Most 32bit software (which is what your old MS and Adobe versions are) should also work in Mojave, which means any iMac or laptop up to mid-2019. (Note: newer does *not* mean better, because Apple sells half-a-dozen grades in any year, from top-end stuff to library-grade junk. E.g., the fastest 2012 is considerably faster than the slowest 2019.

I put Mojave on almost everything, and rely on Linux VMs for more recent requirements: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread....2285317/page-233?post=34278894#post-34278894

 

[goldmac2006]

Because of reasons below?

That's interesting and something I'd not thought about before, Are you saying that things I use like Microsoft Word and Photoshop that I've used for decades are not just one and done anymore, and I have to pay subscriptions to be able to use new versions of them? They both were pre Sierra and was told they wouldn't work on High Sierra, but they both did. I know they're finished after HS, and would have to splash out on new software?

Indeed y’all have to buy Microsoft 365 for Mac subscription online or in store to use ms word, etc… unless if you use it at school or work that has it!

 

[goldmac2006]

Those persons who liked their Intel-era MBs may be and often are disappointed with Apple's more recent machines. In particular, they cannot run much if any of their existing paid-for software (such as, say, CS6, FCP7, Pro Tools, etc) and are thus trapped in subscription-model hell, and the OS is now incredibly obtuse, ram-hungry beyond any rational reason, ridden with telemetry, and has a very Microsoft mentality when it comes to honoring the user's manual changes to system settings (such as instructing it to not auto-update).

If they have specific situations where they need x86 apps to use Boot Camp or Virtual Machines (VMs) on certain Autodesk applications that don’t run on ARM Windows programs, they would certainly consider purchasing a refurbished or used 2019-2020 MacBook Pro.

I had a few individuals who kept their 16 inch 2019 Intel MacBook Pro 💻 because they needed it for certain games, SolidWorks and Revit. However, if you all use UTM, which is a VM software specifically designed for Apple silicon Macs, it has built-in x86 emulation and can bridge it to virtual machines for Windows on an ARM Mac.

 

[Peter Franks]

Correct.

Most 32bit software (which is what your old MS and Adobe versions are) should also work in Mojave, which means any iMac or laptop up to mid-2019. (Note: newer does *not* mean better, because Apple sells half-a-dozen grades in any year, from top-end stuff to library-grade junk. E.g., the fastest 2012 is considerably faster than the slowest 2019.

I put Mojave on almost everything, and rely on Linux VMs for more recent requirements: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread....2285317/page-233?post=34278894#post-34278894

I don't understand the Linux thing, Linux I paid annually for a website, Still have no clue what it's for or means on there...

Indeed y’all have to buy Microsoft 365 for Mac subscription online or in store to use ms word, etc… unless if you use it at school or work that has it!

If they have specific situations where they need x86 apps to use Boot Camp or Virtual Machines (VMs) on certain Autodesk applications that don’t run on ARM Windows programs, they would certainly consider purchasing a refurbished or used 2019-2020 MacBook Pro.

I had a few individuals who kept their 16 inch 2019 Intel MacBook Pro 💻 because they needed it for certain games, SolidWorks and Revit. However, if you all use UTM, which is a VM software specifically designed for Apple silicon Macs, it has built-in x86 emulation and can bridge it to virtual machines for Windows on an ARM Mac.

So basically, ..... It's not just buying a new MBP, it will involve spending a few more hundred quid just to be able to use Word and Photoshop. Is that like common knowledge these days. I'm so out of it, blissfully it would appear for a decade or more since the last MBP

 

[goldmac2006]

I don't understand the Linux thing, Linux I paid annually for a website, Still have no clue what it's for or means on there...



So basically, ..... It's not just buying a new MBP, it will involve spending a few more hundred quid just to be able to use Word and Photoshop. Is that like common knowledge these days. I'm so out of it, blissfully it would appear for a decade or more since the last MBP

In terms of upgrading specs like ram and cpu right?

 

[Minghold]

Indeed y’all have to buy Microsoft 365 for Mac subscription online or in store to use ms word, etc… unless if you use it at school or work that has it!

I launch BigLinux (Parallels VM) in Mojave, then open LibreOffice2025 (free), which will open any MS document (and most Adobe too).

If they have specific situations where they need x86 apps to use Boot Camp or Virtual Machines (VMs) on certain Autodesk applications that don’t run on ARM Windows programs, they would certainly consider purchasing a refurbished or used 2019-2020 MacBook Pro.

I do not recommend those models (and definitely not the 16" 2019 or any 2020 due to Mojave & 32bit not being supported) for myriad reasons, not least of which is that hardware quality is poorer than previous generations. Failing ports, lousy keyboards, overheating processors, soldered drives, and security panic-theater are common complaints. On top of that, sellers still expect fairly high prices for their used machines.

IMO the laptop sweet-spot are the 2012-2015 MBPs. (Save as many as you can from area recyclers!)

 

[loopy123]

Just grab a new MacBook Pro. With enough RAM and SSD of course.
MS Office 365 deals are super cheap and the new machines are just gorgeous and well built. I’ve owned laptops back to the old TiBook and these new Mac laptops are brilliant.
Time to move on.