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Is using MyFi stealing?
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I think that's like being "a little pregnant." Once you've used the bandwidth, it ain't like you can give it back.
Clearly stealing $9.99 app needs to be equated to $499+ things
I love that morality has a price tag to you. That's so modern of you.
In the big picture, 10 people stealing $9.99 app still cost the society less than an iPad....
Just my 2 cents
It's funny how some of you justify this. Really? Other countries allow it so you should be able to do it here too therefore it's not stealing? What if your neighbor allowed people to come in his house to take whatever they wanted...does that mean they could also come in yours and it wouldn't be stealing?
What about if you have 2 or 3 iPhones in hour family...should everyone be allowed to use the same data plan? What if you have two houses...should cable, Internet, and phone be allowed in both houses under one paid account?
Look, I use mywi too but I can admit tthat it is stealing because it is.
What about if you have 2 or 3 iPhones in hour family...should everyone be allowed to use the same data plan? What if you have two houses...should cable, Internet, and phone be allowed in both houses under one paid account?
Look, I use mywi too but I can admit tthat it is stealing because it is.
This is like saying "I'm not stealing music, it's just downloading data. You know, 0's and 1's." Anyway you try and convince yourself otherwise, sorry to say, it's stealing.
I'm not saying I don't disagree with the justification, but I also don't kid myself about what it is, and I don't try to convince myself it's OK, and not theft.
I'm not saying I don't disagree with the justification, but I also don't kid myself about what it is, and I don't try to convince myself it's OK, and not theft.
If we live in a society that ALLOWED others to come into other people's house and take whatever they want without repercussions, I'll let my neighbor take whatever they want and in turn I'll just go to the next house and take whatever I want.
But we all know that our society is not like that... Good dream though
But anyhow, we all have our own "definition" of stealing. Don't think this debate will truly end....
Is tethering allowed via any other phone on the AT&T network? If so, then using tethering via the iPhone shouldn't be any different. The only difference I see is that AT&T is too stupid and too stubborn to actually charge for a service people are going to use anyways.
The irony of all this is that while they don't allow tethering using an iPhone, they allow people to use a 3G iPad on their network. This just goes to show how stupid they are. Just based on this abortion of normal intelligence, they deserve to have their bandwidth used inappropriately.
The irony of all this is that while they don't allow tethering using an iPhone, they allow people to use a 3G iPad on their network. This just goes to show how stupid they are. Just based on this abortion of normal intelligence, they deserve to have their bandwidth used inappropriately.
That's the part that seems disingenuous to me. They claim their network can't handle the traffic of iPhone tethering, yet it can handle the extra bandwidth needed to support the iPad.
Either they are lying now, or they were lying then - probably both.
I ditched my iPhone yesterday for a Pre Plus with Verizon. Free tethering included in their data plan - and it works great.
In AT&T's eyes, yes it is stealing. It is in your terms and conditions that the "unlimited" usage is capped at 5GB per month, and if you are a repeat abuser of that limit, you can be punished up to termination of your account. It also states that you are paying for data for one device, that being your iPhone.
That said, **** 'em. I'm loving MyWi.
That said, **** 'em. I'm loving MyWi.
Like I mentioned previously, they have been using the same tired argument as an excuse for way too long. "Oh our bandwidth is not enough help!!!" gets really really old. 3G was introduced 7 years ago in this country and if they still can't get it right, they really need to know and reduce the bottleneck by now.
This is the best way to handle the issue. If you want to tether and cannot, take your business elsewhere. if enough people do that, ATT will find a solution.
If the data I pay for is still received BY the iPhone, it is still meeting those terms and conditions. I am not removing parts of the iphone that allow it to receive data and placing them into another device instead. It is still the iPhone receiving and sending.
Clearly stealing $9.99 app needs to be equated to $499+ things
Think about the lack of intelligence you are showing with that statement. Oh the irony in that opener, huh?
Even if I subscribed to your flawed value system that stealing from a greedy corporation like Apple was somehow "ok," how then do you rationalize stealing from a small independent software developer like the guy who made MyWi? Lets say that guy earns a decent living of $125K per year plus benefits. The software, once written, has some cost to maintain but lets write that off and just say his time invested in the product was all the costs he had to sink into it. So maybe what....40 hours of his time? Quick math means he invested, at his annual salary, around $75/hr building it, so give or take he has an "opportunity cost" (because he could have been doing something more profitable than building software for people like you to steal) of around $3,000. So he 'paid' $3000 to make that app for you.
That means that app represents about 2.4% of the developers annual salary.
Now, you tell me.....what percent of Apple's annual revenue does an entire shipment of stolen iPads equal?
Then again, this is why the Jailbreak model slowly dies off. Nobody can make any money from a user base comprised mainly (not entirely) of people like you.
If your variable morality works, I guess you will be justifying stealing pension checks from old people because they are going to be dying soon?
Is it stealing if you let a friend use your phone and make a call? At&t would normally charge them for a phone plan. You just let them use your phone's minutes.
Same thing with tethering. It'll be even more concrete once Net-Neutrality passes. They can't really dictate HOW you use your data. They are offering you bandwidth and you are paying for it. Tethering is a phone FUNCTION. It's like an ISP saying you can only connect a Mac or one computer at a time and not use a router or a Windows computer.
Same thing with tethering. It'll be even more concrete once Net-Neutrality passes. They can't really dictate HOW you use your data. They are offering you bandwidth and you are paying for it. Tethering is a phone FUNCTION. It's like an ISP saying you can only connect a Mac or one computer at a time and not use a router or a Windows computer.
Even better, I called them and told them why I was porting to Verizon. I don't know if it matters, but at least I told someone. I hope I get a follow-up survey or something so I can tell them again.
Honestly, I will probably go back once they offer tethering - as long as it is free or a reasonable fee. Not another $30. If others can offer it for free - AT&T can too.
For what it's worth, every app on my phone is paid for (except the free ones) so I pay for everything I use.
I pay AT&T a $30 per month unlimited data fee and use very little each month. I recently got MyWi (no rock)(10 day trial) and tried it out for the first time, then bought the license.
As far as I am concerned, AT&T knows exactly how much data I use. If they have a problem with how much or how I use it, they will tell me and I will pay the tariff.
It is not stealing.
There is so much FUD in this thread. Just read the contracts.
First Jailbreaking is against the terms of service, and may result in a void warranty, but is not in itself illegal since you own the device.
Second your ATT contract has a section that clearly states data may not be consumed by unauthorized apps. The fact you pay for 'unlimited' data does not nullify this term of the contract. Using MyWi to consume ATT's network resources is stealing.
I highly doubt that ATT would take any action, but the possibility does exist.
First Jailbreaking is against the terms of service, and may result in a void warranty, but is not in itself illegal since you own the device.
Second your ATT contract has a section that clearly states data may not be consumed by unauthorized apps. The fact you pay for 'unlimited' data does not nullify this term of the contract. Using MyWi to consume ATT's network resources is stealing.
I highly doubt that ATT would take any action, but the possibility does exist.