Steve Adams
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This has been my experience using linux. I want to because of the performance of the OS, but software I need is not on there.
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Is windows 11 really bloated?
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maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I've said this before, the job of an operating system is to run applications, if it fails to do that, then find one that does.
With that said, many of the apps you referenced as show stoppers, like MS office, Proton drive have other solutions.
Office software - Libra office or Only Office
Proton Drive/Dropbox - Use rclone to mount the drive.
Tax Software - not something I've looking into, so I can't say one way or another.
The excuse of lack of apps, doesn't really hold water as much as people think it does. Obviously, if you absolutely need a certain application and its not available on Linux, then you find an OS that it does work. I have proton software suite, and they've promised that a native app for linux for proton drive is inbound, but I've already configured rclone, my proton drive can be mounted just just like any other app.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
All operating systems are, regardless of the platform one must practice safe computing habits
Steve Adams
macrumors 68020
Just did the Mar/26 update of windows 11 on the wife's older system (dell 13 inch laptop with 4405Y cpu/510gpu, 16 gb of ram and 1tb Sata SSD) and it is noticeably quicker and snappier than previously. I also removed all dell spyware off the system too, which helps speed things up.
Wow it looks like Microsoft is now taking the complaints more seriously now
www.techspot.com
In other post not posted here it saying Microsoft is now optimizing Windows this fall for 8 GB of RAM.
Wow this good but still far cry from Linux and especially for people running with only 4 GB of RAM.
Microsoft removes support page recommending 32GB RAM for gaming PCs
Microsoft's post called 16GB "plenty" and 32GB ideal for demanding titles
Microsoft removes support page recommending 32GB RAM for gaming PCs
Earlier this year, Microsoft told Windows 11 users that a proper gaming rig needed 32GB of RAM. That support document has since vanished, as Redmond and the...
www.techspot.com
In other post not posted here it saying Microsoft is now optimizing Windows this fall for 8 GB of RAM.
Wow this good but still far cry from Linux and especially for people running with only 4 GB of RAM.
Wow it looks like Microsoft is now taking the complaints more seriously now
Microsoft removes support page recommending 32GB RAM for gaming PCs
Microsoft's post called 16GB "plenty" and 32GB ideal for demanding titles
Microsoft removes support page recommending 32GB RAM for gaming PCs
Earlier this year, Microsoft told Windows 11 users that a proper gaming rig needed 32GB of RAM. That support document has since vanished, as Redmond and the...
In other post not posted here it saying Microsoft is now optimizing Windows this fall for 8 GB of RAM.
Wow this good but still far cry from Linux and especially for people running with only 4 GB of RAM.
Just the reality of hardware prices out there.
My impression of gaming on 16 GB of RAM is that it's fine if you're just gaming. If you have the boatload of other programs like browser, email calendar, spreadsheet, address book, calculater editor open, then you're going to be swapping. I find 32 GB comfortable but I'd feel uncomfortable with 16. Maybe 24 is okay but you rarely see that on Windows PCs in prebuilt.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
No, I took it that the ram prices are crazy high, and they just removed the recommendation off their web page. They didn't suddenly tighten the code up, so that it runs better on 16GB. Its just a marketing move, not a technical improvement imo
It is possible that they could throw a few dozen engineers on tightening up on memory leaks. Architectural improvements would take more people and more time.
Firefox has a problem with memory leaks in the past couple of releases. I have to restart it ever two to three days.
AI can really help to find memory leaks but I don't know if it can make recommendations on large code bases to improve architectural efficiency.
My personal feeling is to just start at 32 or 36 GB of RAM. I know that the volume market is 16 (or even 4 or 8 these days). But I like room to stretch.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
Microsoft says by fall it will be optimize for 8 GB of RAM. They say they working on trimming down the RAM usage.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
Wow it looks like Microsoft is now taking the complaints more seriously now
Microsoft removes support page recommending 32GB RAM for gaming PCs
Microsoft's post called 16GB "plenty" and 32GB ideal for demanding titles
Microsoft removes support page recommending 32GB RAM for gaming PCs
Earlier this year, Microsoft told Windows 11 users that a proper gaming rig needed 32GB of RAM. That support document has since vanished, as Redmond and the...
In other post not posted here it saying Microsoft is now optimizing Windows this fall for 8 GB of RAM.
Wow this good but still far cry from Linux and especially for people running with only 4 GB of RAM.
How Much RAM Do Gamers Need? 8GB vs. 16GB vs. 32GB vs. 64GB
As modern games push memory harder, choosing the right amount of RAM matters more than ever. With DRAM pricing in flux, we revisit the big question: is...
www.techspot.com
Yeah they have an article talking about how much ram you "need" which, for gaming, is dependent on how much ram you have on your GPU.
Non-Euclidean
macrumors 6502a
Do you know what bloated means? 🙄
The fact that you have to ask this implies you don't or you are unaware of the history of Windows and all the legacy code still within the O/S to support apps created on superceded versions of itself (Windows 10 32 bit supporting 16 bit apps).
Then you can add the
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If some one said this to me I would not believe them at all. This is insane.
How can weather app use over GB of RAM.
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Microsoft's Weather app can eat up to 1.2GB of RAM just sitting open
The app launches nine Chromium subprocesses, suggesting it's built on WebView2, not native code.
Microsoft's default Weather app in Windows 11 can use nearly 1.2 GB of RAM while sitting open on a forecast screen,
Microsoft's Weather app can eat up to 1.2GB of RAM just sitting open
MSN Weather is the standard weather app included with Windows 11. It provides a detailed set of tools, including live radar, hourly forecasts, wind and precipitation data,...
www.techspot.com
If some one said this to me I would not believe them at all. This is insane.
How can weather app use over GB of RAM.
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Microsoft's Weather app can eat up to 1.2GB of RAM just sitting open
The app launches nine Chromium subprocesses, suggesting it's built on WebView2, not native code.
Microsoft's default Weather app in Windows 11 can use nearly 1.2 GB of RAM while sitting open on a forecast screen,
Microsoft's Weather app can eat up to 1.2GB of RAM just sitting open
MSN Weather is the standard weather app included with Windows 11. It provides a detailed set of tools, including live radar, hourly forecasts, wind and precipitation data,...
It's really a webpage with ads and crap.
I've switched to MSN Weather on Windows - much better layout and Firefox kills all of the ads. I even prefer MSN Weather on my Macs over macOS Weather these days. Apple doesn't seem to be putting the effort into this program anymore.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Just a minor point but you don't need to make the font gigantic to get your point across
The weather app is not not a native windows application but a web-based app using Microsoft's WebView2 which embeds a Chromium-based browser engine directly into a native window wrapper. To put it another way, you're not running an app, you're running a chromium based browser in all of its glory and memory hogginess.
This falls under Enpooptification (pg version of the other word that is not allowed here), and is one of the reasons why using windows is just a horrible experience.
