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If you're talking about trackpads, Synaptics drivers are a must for multi-touch. My coworker's Studio 17 works well under Windows 7 compared to Apple's own Boot Camp drivers on my MacBook.

Otherwise, I'm not as well informed about touchscreens. A stylus seemed like a must to me after using the handwriting recognition built into Windows 7.

Are there supposed to be other drivers you download? I have a new Studio 17 and the two-finger scroll is jerky and unpredictable, sometimes it keeps scrolling to the end of the page. Certainly not as good as my MacBook Pro.
 
The most significant single price bump, however, appears to be the iPad's touchscreen, which checks in as a $95 part and up $15 from the company's earlier estimates.

Is that a typo? How does an $80 increase in one part only raise the total by $41?
 
iSuppli

isuppli, what an original concept! haha!

thanks for providing us with absolute nonsense information, you seem to have too much idle time on hand or you are desperate to get published

apple can charge what THEY want for any of their products
it's us, the consumers that have to decide whether we are going to pay that offered price for a certain product or go elsewhere

other basic rules of economics also still apply- supply/demand and/or vice-versa?

add some extra dollars or za rand for great design (result of deriving input from industrial engineers- form follows function and/or vice versa), R&D, great OS's and so forth

my 2 cents worth of input

francois
 
Are there supposed to be other drivers you download? I have a new Studio 17 and the two-finger scroll is jerky and unpredictable, sometimes it keeps scrolling to the end of the page. Certainly not as good as my MacBook Pro.
Keep Windows on the Windows side. I prefer scrolling under OS X but even Apple's own drivers for Windows are worse that what Synaptics ships.
 
What if I use a live download instead?

Also, not getting an iPad until Apple realizes it needs a webcam, just as the iPhone has one, and the MacBook has one. If this is an in-between product, it needs one, like yesterday. Also, RAM, 512MB is what I am aiming for, 256MB is too pitiful and I have seen apps saying "Oops! Out of memory, restart iPad"

Not that I disagree with you, but increasing the RAM is not as easy as it first seems. The RAM is built into the CPU package. I'm not sure that there is a manufacturing technique available that would allow more then 256MB in a PoP design. Even there is, it would come at a significant jump in price. If they pull the RAM out of the CPU package and mount it to the board you pay a penalty in heat, performance and battery life.

*You may get some of the performance back due to the extra RAM
 
If you're talking about trackpads, Synaptics drivers are a must for multi-touch. My coworker's Studio 17 works well under Windows 7 compared to Apple's own Boot Camp drivers on my MacBook.

Otherwise, I'm not as well informed about touchscreens. A stylus seemed like a must to me after using the handwriting recognition built into Windows 7.

Not trackpads, but actual multi touch displays. Like the HP all-in-ones. Trying to do multitouch in those is a nightmare. I tried them in my local Best Buy and not usable as a feature, more of a hassle.

However, when you used your finger to handwrite, the software was very well polished to actually recognize what letter it was.

Not that I disagree with you, but increasing the RAM is not as easy as it first seems. The RAM is built into the CPU package. I'm not sure that there is a manufacturing technique available that would allow more then 256MB in a PoP design. Even there is, it would come at a significant jump in price. If they pull the RAM out of the CPU package and mount it to the board you pay a penalty in heat, performance and battery life.

*You may get some of the performance back due to the extra RAM

Adding extra RAM to the board (not the chip) is a nice easy solution. It would add what? $20 to the cost of making them? But hey, the performance gain would surely appreciate it.
 
its good to know that apple isn't really ripping people off with the ipad. I really hope this is a sign of apple's new pricing approach, because in all honestly, I am tired of over paying for pretty but dated hardware.
 
Not trackpads, but actual multi touch displays. Like the HP all-in-ones. Trying to do multitouch in those is a nightmare. I tried them in my local Best Buy and not usable as a feature, more of a hassle.

However, when you used your finger to handwrite, the software was very well polished to actually recognize what letter it was.
Pinch to zoom is still wonky over on Windows. I don't know if it's due to scaling issues involving rendering the image based on the input, the actual input device, or the drivers.

The handwriting is very well polished like we've both mentioned.
 
Most of the R&D was made when making the ipod touch. This thing is just an evolution of the platform.

There are a lot of shared expenses, but the iOS devices seem to be benefiting from each other. The next iPod Touch will probably use improvements based on the iPad's chip. It's not as if Apple hasn't been making major investments, even relatively small chip design companies cost money and Apple has bought two of them.
 
You'd think they could have afforded more ram then.

Lmao. I'm glad I wasn't an early adopter for this one
 
I think the juciest target for price cuts is the 3G model. I'm really not sure what that extra $130 is for...I can easily see them chopping the difference between wifi and 3G models down to $60 or even less.

Unlesss there's some secret deal where AT&T gets that money or something. Who knows...it's possible!

Apple probably targets for similar profit margin with the different products, in percentage. So if wifi bom is 260, it sells for 499, you'd expect the 3g+wifi device of 630 to have bom of about 330, of $70 above the basic. The 3G circuitry making maybe $20-30 and 3G licensing costs $40-50.
 
Well I said they were selling the entry level model essentially at cost or below cost when you factor in all costs, based on the old information. Adding another $40 to the components, and that is certainly true, without a doubt now.

You factor in R&D costs (not all owed to iPhone/Touch), assembly, transportation, marketing, administration, and support (which is a huge cost for them), and they are not making money on the $499 model.
 
Let me preface this by saying I am an apple fan but more so for the cutting edge.
I like things like MacBook pros and iPhone 3gs on the first day. Those are high end devices.

That being said you can flame me if you want. This ipad seems to be a sideways step. Like apple is giving us a "good enough" product.

It's like nintendo going from gamecube to wii. They did not change much, just made a different os and ui but the innards are essntially the same.

The problem is that this doesn't push technology forward. It slides it sideways.
 
The most significant single price bump, however, appears to be the iPad's touchscreen, which checks in as a $95 part and up $15 from the company's earlier estimates.

Is that a typo? How does an $80 increase in one part only raise the total by $41?

The article says that the touchscreen is $15 more than the previous estimate, making it $95
 
Adding up the cost of each component doesn’t give an accurate picture as to Apple’s profit margin. There are other costs to consider like: R & D, labor, shipping (this would include shipping from China, to the retail stores, and the “free” shipping directly to costumers via UPS and FedEx), overhead, insurance, etc.
All these costs need to come in low enough that Apple can offer the iPad a wholesale prices to their retailers – who BTW need to make a profit as well. It wouldn’t surprise me if Apple made less than a 100 bucks on each iPad.
 
Parts & Development

I'm sure someone has said this, but the parts are not everything that adds to the cost of the device. If this device has been in development as long as it has been rumored to be, I think it is a great price... Ive's and other geniuses at Apple aren't cheap.
 
Most of the R&D was made when making the ipod touch. This thing is just an evolution of the platform.

R&D is an ongoing process that is always accounted for. I hate the argument that Apple has a right to price gouge because of R&D. R&D is expected, budgeted, and always ongoing regardless of products launched.
 
I figured that their initial estimates were low. I knew Steve was being honest when he said they tried to make this as low cost as possible. Obviously they are gouging on the 3g radio and more memory. I knew the profit margins on the entry level would be thin for apple.

The smartest post in this thread. I would guess that Apple could lower it by $100 if they're at the point when there's stiff competition. At that point manufacturing and R&D costs are negligible.
 
R&D is an ongoing process that is always accounted for. I hate the argument that Apple has a right to price gouge because of R&D. R&D is expected, budgeted, and always ongoing regardless of products launched.

You’re wrong.
Employees never seem to understand this concept but it’s really simple. Every product is assigned non-variable costs like R & D and general overhead. The R & D costs that the iPad is contributing will be used for the next new product.
 
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Do you think that iad will make The ipad cheaper in the future? Will apple adopt a google aproached to revenue?
 
Man, I'm really dubious about those projections for something that's essentially a luxury item for playing with multitouch. But I guess we'll see.
 
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