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It doesn't even deserve the name "Pro".
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Thats very true. There is no one true definition of what "Pro" really means that one can say any hardware requirements determine that. And really, who can decide? Pros have such different requirements that attempting to lump them in any way is unfair.
Braniff747SP
macrumors 6502
Exactly. An accounting 'pro' may have different requirements than, say, someone working in film. Both pros, both have different requirements.
For those of you saying Pro is just a marketing term and doesn't have any real meaning... I understand that's the case right now, but why is that okay? Wouldn't it benefit us consumers to have designations that actually mean something? Other companies do it. Heck, even Apple has a brand with meaning: Retina. Any display that's sold as Retina is an IPS display with a pixel density sufficiently high to make individual pixels impossible to discern at typical viewing distances.
So why is it acceptable that pro is meaningless? Really, it should be a guarantee of some minimum level of performance. Discrete GPU with and i7 CPUs. Perhaps with optional workstation (quadro, fireGL) GPUs and an optional upgrade to Xeon CPUs / ECC memory
So why is it acceptable that pro is meaningless? Really, it should be a guarantee of some minimum level of performance. Discrete GPU with and i7 CPUs. Perhaps with optional workstation (quadro, fireGL) GPUs and an optional upgrade to Xeon CPUs / ECC memory
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A writer is yes, a Pro. But a writer doesn't need a Pro computer. A writer would get a MacBook Air because that's enough.
A Developer is also a professional, but sometimes, all it takes is a MacBook Air.
The job isn't always equal to the computer to be used.
But if we take a look at jobs that require actual Pro computers, such as audio engineering, you will instantly know that the MacBook Pro 13 isn't going to cut it. Because it isn't supposed to cut it. Why? Because it isn't a pro computer.
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Then you wouldn't care if it's misleading. Apple could call the next MacBook Pro 13 Inch a "Retina MacBook Pro" and has a 1280x800 display. That's misleading, and "Retina" is just a moniker. But hey, you couldn't care less about the name of the machine.
I think you have a point on the machine not being particuarly high end. When the new Retina 13 inchs come out - one option is the following line
MBA 11
MBA 13
MB 13 (old design MBP 13 - resurrect the Macbook name)
rMBP 13
MBP 15 (temporary - phase out when rMBP 15 prices drop to allow lower price)
rMBP 15
-Shaown
MBA 11
MBA 13
MB 13 (old design MBP 13 - resurrect the Macbook name)
rMBP 13
MBP 15 (temporary - phase out when rMBP 15 prices drop to allow lower price)
rMBP 15
-Shaown
archurban
macrumors 6502a
didn't you know? apple is the most lame company in the world. they bought all technology patents because they can't build such things on their hands. they just argue over design issue. design is just fashion. fashion is gone very faster. when it is over, nobody cares. the biggest problem is that they think macbook or mac is cheaper. what did they smoke or something? mac is the most expensive **** in computer market. do you think that you could buy it out of country? I don't think so. you will be ended up to monthly payment. do you ever have any idea how much retina display 15 inch macbook pro in Korea? almost $3000. will you pay for? I don't think so. there are many nice laptops in PC market. get it. apple macbook is the lame.
Jare
macrumors 65816
It is almost astonishing, that almost every single one of your 850 posts were stating something negative about either Apple or one of it´s products. If you dislike it so much, why are you even a member of this forum?
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Guys guys I bought a graphics card that had the 'GTI' suffix and it clearly has nothing to do with cars. WHY!
rockyroad55
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The way apple names it products, it is supposed to be indicative of some feature or function. Just like the 's' in iphone 3gs implied it was faster, or the air tag in the MBA lineup suggests it is lighter, or the 'mini' in mac mini or upcoming ipad mini (if it will be called that).
I agree that currently, there is little reason for me to opt for a 13" mbp over a mba. There's just nothing pro about it, but I know my fair share of people who have opted for it because they really believe it to be superior to the air.
Braniff747SP
macrumors 6502
You're right, I wouldn't. But that situation is unrealistic anyway; the proper name is MacBook Pro with Retina display. It's the name of an established feature, no the whole computer. I don't find 'Pro' misleading--you can still do a lot with a 13'. Maybe not to your standards, but it works for many others.
GGJstudios
macrumors Westmere
Many other companies use names that don't relate to the product at all. Toshiba has notebooks called "Satellite", "Qosmio", "Portégé" and "Tecra". Like Acer's "Aspire", Asus's "Zenbook", Lenovo's "ThinkPad" and "IdeaPad", etc., such names don't reveal anything about the specs of those products or even suggest the purpose of each. Apple's big cat names for their OS doesn't reveal anything about the specs of each version. There are no requirements for any advertiser to name their products in a certain way. Some are descriptive; some are not. Anyone who's been around in the business world for even a little while should know this.
sweetbrat
macrumors 65816
"Pro" is just like "Improved" or "Healthy." It's a marketing term. There is no set of standards to measure these things up to. What's improved? What does healthy actually mean? What makes one thing "Pro" and something else not Pro? If there's no set standards, then it's just a term used to gain attention or differentiate it from another product. There was a 13" MacBook, and having a 13" MBP made perfect sense. Now the MB is gone, but that doesn't mean the Pro needs to be rebranded. Rebranding too often causes consumer confusion.
Buying a computer is a reasonably large purchase. Would you buy a car without checking to see which one fits your needs better? No. You shouldn't be doing that with a computer, either. Names are marketing; specs tell you if the product is useful or not.
azentropy
macrumors 601
Sure I wish the 13" MBP had a dedicated GPU, a quad core option and a matte display option.
Pro IS just a moniker, no where is it defined what features Pro should have or not have. If I remember correctly though one of the big differentiators before the rMBP was Firewire.
Still the 13" MBP is a work horse even if it doesn't have those features. I upgraded my Early 2011 2.7 to 16gb and placed a 256MB drive. I routinely have multiple VM's running, using Xcode and do other "pro" things and the speed is never an issue.
In my criteria a rMBP shouldn't be called a Pro since it doesn't have gb ethernet, FW or an optical drive (or free bay). All of which are more "pro" features to me!
BTW - I know several audio engineers that have made the MBP 13" their portable system of choice. If they are "real" audio pros they typically have a laptop AND and Mac Pro. 😉
Its a bit like all the different Windows version really (XP - Home/Professional, Vista (God there was many))
Think Win7 has calmed it down a bit.
Think Win7 has calmed it down a bit.
talmy
macrumors 601
It still means anything Apple wants it to mean. For instance, the Retina Display in the iPod Touch is TN, not IPS.
Why? It's already been stated that professionals don't necessary need any specific feature. I even see professionals using iPads. And I wouldn't be surprised if "Pro" is trademarked by Apple for use in describing their computers. I don't see any other "Pro" computers out there. I currently use an HP Z400 Workstation (not "Pro") with a quad core Xeon processor and ECC memory and a few years ago I had a Dell Precision Workstation (not "Pro") with dual Xeons, ECC memory, and SCSI disk drives.
AZREOSpecialist
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Yet you are the one defining what a pro needs. You are not the boss of me! LOL
heisenberg123
macrumors 603
in my opinon both the 13 and 15" MBP are overkill for the average consumer, the average consumer should be able to do all their tasks on a $400 Dell.
now we have to define a "average consumer"
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You assume that every professional who needs a laptop will see the title Pro and will buy it without checking its specs ?
If this man exists he is not a professional, a professional knows exactly about his needs and buys the necessary tools to fulfill them.
A thinking man will never buy something only for its name.
Once there was a company, chinese I think, producing and selling worldwide monitors under the name Proview, and no it wasn't better than eizo and nec because of the name, there was just cheaper monitors with a Pro name.
You assume that every professional who needs a laptop will see the title Pro and will buy it without checking its specs ?
If this man exists he is not a professional, a professional knows exactly about his needs and buys the necessary tools to fulfill them.
A thinking man will never buy something only for its name.
Once there was a company, chinese I think, producing and selling worldwide monitors under the name Proview, and no it wasn't better than eizo and nec because of the name, there was just cheaper monitors with a Pro name.
