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SMS isn’t end to-end encrypted on any phone, rendering everything you just said moot.

Someone didn’t think this all the way through, that’s true. Just not who you think it was.
LOL

Of course SMS isn't end to end encrypted. That's why Apple left it in second citizen class and gave it the green bubbles.

All of Apple's actions over the past several years indicate that they want to encrypt all communication.

The SMS is the legacy that needs to be supported.

Why would they start supporting new unencrypted technology when the company's strategy is to head in the opposite direction?
 
SMS is the platform agnostic solution. It works to literally everyone that has a cellular phone as it's part of the base network, it's just there as ubiquitously as the ability to make and receive a phone call. Everything you listed is a platform in itself... closed to the others. And the EU's plan to make them send to each other is... stupid. Let's just call that what it is. Stupid.
Refer to the post I replied to. He/she doesn't want to use SMS. I pointed out the various solutions available already today.
 
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Refer to the post I replied to. He/she doesn't want to use SMS. I pointed out the various solutions available already today.

I get that. But it’s the only one that is platform agnostic - it’s long obsolete, stuck in a 160 byte past in an age of mega and gigabytes. But until there’s a service that’s built in to the network radio technology that just works, there won’t ever be an agnostic platform to replace it.
 
There are already platform agnostic solutions like Whatsapp, Telegram, Line, Signal, WeChat, Viber, etc. Just pick one. If you're stubbornly sticking with SMS, that's on you, not Apple.
Unreasonable position for end users. It’s also not “agnostic”; it’s specifically capitalistic.

Those “services” require users to create accounts. It also requires them to pressure the people they want to chat with to also create said accounts. This is a benefit to data collection and advertising business, not cellular users.

Anyone that has a cell phone already has texting capability. The problem is a lack of equivalent functionality/user experience across platforms. The industry refused iMessage as a proposed standard and now Apple refuses RCS. As usual, the loss here is on the users’ side, while corporations play games to ensure profit margins don’t budge in the wrong direction.
 
The issue isn't the green bubbles, seriously are people so immature that they care about this? The issue is being able to properly send things like video and pictures without having them be so compressed as to be basically useless.
As well as messages not being chopped up erratically into SMS-compatible chunks, wrongly-sequenced, double-delivered, truncated, broken images, entirely missing messages…

…and “reactions” are used by a lot of people for acknowledging things, so why not have parity there too?
 
'RCS is designed to replace the current SMS messaging standard.'
Is it really? Is it a worldwide carrier standard now? Is it planning to be? Or is Google the only one trying to push it?
Until it is a worldwide carrier standard Apple will not adopt it.
Unfortunately, this is a kind of thing that carriers aren’t apt to adopt as a standard unless it’s merely formalizing something the rest of the world has already essentially adopted.
 
I suspect that is changing.
I have two teenage grand-daughters, both with iPhones and neither uses iMessage.

Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, Messenger, etc....
Those are siloed domains whose very existence is to make money on data collection and advertising. Your anecdotal evidence does not a norm make.
 
Im still surprised on why people still use sms in United States, there is whatsapp, telegram and many more services which provide better messaging, imesage from iphone to iphone is basically the same principle.

Here in europe to talk about sms is to think about nokia’s when they where bricks. In Spain (probably whole europe too) we use whatsapp as main messaging service and myself ive used it since my iphone 4s which was my first one. And imessage is probably the least used thing here in the iphone, I use it if whatsapp is down 😂.

I understand sms unifies any product but is outdated, although even with RCS i think it would lack a lot in features and experience more than a messaging platform. I do understand too that in America most of the people use an iphone thus being common to use imessage and thus as well using the same platform for sms but still whatsapp or telegram unifies any device and provides same experience and features.

Is it just because there is a majority of iphones in USA or is there any other reason for it?
My reasons to reject those message “services”:

1. The people I communicate with don’t use them and I’m not going to bully them to do so because:

2. I don’t want yet more accounts to track, they don’t either, and:

3. Those are systems entirely designed to collect & exploit people’s data for advertising/marketing and sociopolitical manipulation.
 
No, it’s not the new “SMS” because “SMS” is supported directly, by the carriers. RCS is not. And, as long as it’s not supported by the carriers, it’ll always be “just another app”.

If you say so.
As far as documented. only Russia and China are not currently supporting this.
I do know that the US carriers and I think all EU carriers are supporting this. I am not sure about LA or AF.

One of the benefits of RCS is it can be carrier independent.
 
The industry refused iMessage as a proposed standard and now Apple refuses RCS.
Let’s be clear, though, it’s not only Apple that refuses RCS. Every carrier also refuses RCS. There’s not a single carrier that supports RCS in the same way that they support SMS.
 
I tried it with email, still the same number of steps as through texting as you still have to deal with the link and you still end up with a heavily compressed video. Wayyyyy more steps than iPhone to iPhone. Even though I shouldn't have been, I was surprised at how onerous it was, although I vaguely remember using Samsung links and that being slightly easier. Thankfully I use BlueBubbles, but that's a pain to setup and not everyone has a spare Macbook to use as a server.


ah, you mean if you are doing it from an android.

I am doing it from an iphone, and the email way is one more click than imessage, its the same then it asks if i want it maildrop so there is that extra one click. and at the other end (can only check on an iphone) its the same opening the email, clicking on it, waiting a second for it to download and then plays uncompressed.
 
As far as documented. only Russia and China are not currently supporting this.
Russia and China are carriers? I thought those were countries. Beeline, MegaFon, Mobile TeleSystems and Tele2 are carriers in Russia, and China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom are carriers in China. And, just like all carriers around the world, none of them support RCS in the same way that they support SMS, at the carrier.

Google’s RCS is not RCS at the carrier. It is, by definition, at Google. :)
 
RCS needs to raise the bar before Apple will touch it. Let's hope they do support it eventually, but until they do, the pressure is on to improve RCS.
The folks most concerned with the ‘care and feeding’ of RCS, the carriers, have dropped it. There’s no one… maybe other than Google, that’s going to have any plan on ‘improving’ it.
 
It is amazing at the number of folks here who are pro-iMessage and anti-RCS wile missing the big picture.
We all want or should want E2E encrypted messaging as a default and global standard.

Apple won't allow iMessage to be used that way and push back against anything put forth as a solution even if the majority of the global landscape adopt it. Apple isn't helping this issue, only playing at being a roadblock. That tells me they don't care about privacy and security from a user perspective.

The current "Google" solution isn't the best however it is a significant improvement over SMS. What about making E2E default in RCS?

It is time for Apple to step up and put their big boy pants on and help drive a solution. Otherwise governments are going to force the issue. Meanwhile users are the ones who suffer.

btw - it would be great if Apple allowed us to default the messaging app of our choice.
 
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Up till now, I still don't understand the US's obsession with iMessage when cross-platform alternatives like WhatsApp or telegram already exist.
Cross-platform alternatives exist at all due to the fairly onerous fees that were in place when WhatsApp came onto the scene. It offered people all around the world the “free texting” that folks in the US have enjoyed for years. Some of that has come to some countries, but WhatsApp has been integrated into so many areas of so many countries, it’s embedded and not going anywhere.

That’s why Google’s not asking WhatsApp (the FAR larger, far more important player) to “fix” texting. :)
 
It is amazing at the number of folks here who are pro-iMessage and anti-RCS wile missing the big picture.
Well, Verizon, T-mobile, AT&T and carriers AROUND THE GLOBE are all anti-RCS, so I think that puts those folks in good company. :)

It is time for Apple to step up and put their big boy pants on and help drive a solution. Otherwise governments are going to force the issue. Meanwhile users are the ones who suffer.
Is it? It’s not time for the carriers, who created RCS AND MMS, to go back to the drawing board and create the next thing at the carrier level that all carriers can adopt worldwide? And all phones would support, worldwide? Because that’s the only way anyone’s going to see a replacement for SMS. And, if the carriers want the government to FORCE them to create a new solution? Sure, maybe that’s just what the carriers need!
 
You are in the wrong ball park.
Dump iMessage? Why would they? Just add RCS compatibility in place of SMS/MMS.
Every iPhone already has the potential for “Google RCS” compatibility (there is no RCS compatibility as RCS is not supported at the carrier). All they have to do… is the exact same thing Android users would need to do, just download Google Messages. BOOM! I have Google RCS compatibility on my iPhone right now!
 
But I doubt it was the popularity of the iPhone alone that empowered Apple to play hardball with the carriers, and I don’t see why Google has to pretend to be chums with them.
No, it WAS the popularity of the iPhone. The other carriers saw this upstart Cingular coming out of nowhere not only gaining marketshare, but gaining marketshare of people with pockets deep enough to pay for the iPhone and as a result a group of people that would actually make building out the data part of their network worth it. Within a few years, the same carriers that had told Apple to take a hike were more than willing to adopt the same kind of data plans that Cingular had pioneered, ANYTHING to get some of these upgrading users and, more importantly, the expanding number of users newly interested in smartphones.
 
So to be clear and simple: it's like saying "we'll use HTTPS for apple consumers, but only HTTP for everything else. Even though there is a standard -- screw that standard."
Actually, this is a good point. This is proof that RCS is nowhere near as widely supported/adopted as HTTP/HTTPS. No matter how much Google would want folks to believe that.
And to any Apple employees who scan this, that's precisely what drives customers away. People have literally replied in this thread that the solution should be for those people to "just get iPhones". That's not how the world works.
Apple will end up selling 150 million or more iPhones this year. And, will just as likely end up selling 150+ million phones next year. That is, quite literally, how the world works. If, out of the 6+ billion people in the world, 5 billion are customers that are driven away from the iPhone, that STILL leaves plenty enough people for Apple to still sell another 150+ million phones in a year.
And yes, other people can use pure data communications like WhatsApp, etc... that's not the point here. Just like SMS being a standard that's understood and accepted on all phones for basic text messaging, RCS is the evolution of that, and the new standard. It coexists and is the basic underlying text messaging solution for all phones.
You DO recognize, though that SMS being a standard that’s understood and accepted on ALL phones is 100% due to the fact that ALL CARRIERS support SMS, right? If all carriers didn’t support it, SMS wouldn’t be understood and accepted. This is the core of why RCS, even though it’s an evolution of SMS, is going nowhere. Because no carriers support it.
 
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Perhaps I'm in a minority, I don't care what colour text messages are. I don't care what system a message uses. I send someone a message, they either reply or they don't.

As long as they get it, the method in which they get it is totally irrelevant to me.
No, you’re not in the minority. Far from it, you’re in the HUGE swath of the majority that sees a nail and picks up a hammer. Sees a screw and picks up a screwdriver. And, never EVER bemoans “Why can’t I use the screwdriver on the nail? They look pretty much the same! The government needs to mandate that all screwdrivers should also be naildrivers so we can force hammers out of business.” :)
 
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