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no, in my opinion: listener loans, itunes 5 etc... were simply wrong. You can't fit them into anything that came out.

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You know what I dislike? The Picture-Importer. I would have bought this thing in an instant - but it does not work with my odl iPod. As I think that the old looks better and I do not need any other new feature I will not buy a new one so I cannot import this. I would be rather surprised if it would have not been possible to make this thing in a way that old iPods (with new software) could use it. Too bad.

Another thing: We're due to have 2-Button Mice from Apple any time soon. Because, when someone asked Apple (it was on page 2, but that does not seem to be in the archives) about 2-Button mice they responded: When Steve Jobs leaves the company or hell freezes over. Now, Steve is still there, but hell froze over as Apple claims itself big on it's website. OK, that's maybe not that serious, but an interesting thought.
 
Originally posted by jbtule
Get a partial refund and then restore your song from your backup copy.
Originally posted by Macco
The problem with this analogy is that the CD stores buy back the CDs and then sell them to new customers, thus making money. A purely electronical store, such as the iTMS, sells content that is infinitely reproducible. Therefore, it wouldn't benefit at all from buying back your "used" music, unless Apple could somehow work out a way in which the record companies would give money back to Apple for every return... but I doubt that this would work very well. Especially considering that it would be hard to validate that you had gotten rid of this music from all of the iPods and other computers you transfered it to, in addition the CDs you might have burned it to.
I doubt there is a foolproof way to solve the technical issue (same with the currently licensing), but I think it could be made to work for most customers most of the time. For example, iTunes and the ITMS could know which songs you no longer own, and anytime you connect to the store or your iPod they can synchronize their information and act accordingly. I understand Macco's point. The reason I brought up the idea, however, is that letting you sell back music is similar in principal to letting you rent music. The only difference to the user is whether you decide ahead of time to keep it for only a certain amount of time or plays, or you decide that later.
 
Originally posted by Cochrane
Another thing: We're due to have 2-Button Mice from Apple any time soon. Because, when someone asked Apple (it was on page 2, but that does not seem to be in the archives) about 2-Button mice they responded: When Steve Jobs leaves the company or hell freezes over. Now, Steve is still there, but hell froze over as Apple claims itself big on it's website. OK, that's maybe not that serious, but an interesting thought.

LOL.

Apple: "Hell Didn't Actually Freeze Over"
AP: Apple Computer announced today that despite the release of iTunes for Windows, hell did not actually freeze over. This announcement was intended to stem the tide of ridiculous Mac rumors that were formerly in the "Until Hell Freezes Over" category.

The response was automatic. Ryan Meader of Mac OS Rumors said, "Crap, there go the Apple PDA rumors" while ThinkSecret's Nick dePlume said, "I was about to post the first interesting rumor in years for ThinkSecret, but unfortunately, Apple's announcement has indicated to me that Disney is not buying Apple."

Other rumor site proprietors took a different stance, however. Arnold Kim of MacRumors, back from a hard day's work on the MacRumors Forums battling improbably rumors, hailed the announcement as a godsend, remarking, "I knew it was getting out of hand when we got reports of new PowerBooks on Tuesday."
 
Listener Loans

I was imagining listener loans to be more like this:

1) User A has Song 1 (that he bought with the iTMS) and wants User B, three states over, to listen to it.

2) User A chooses Song 1 in his library and clicks "Loan to Friend". He enters in his friend's email address/apple ID.

3) At Apple, an email is generated stating something like:
Dear User B,

Your friend, User A, would like you to hear this song. Click the link below to download a time-limited copy of this song, in pristine quality. You can listen to this song five times*. If you try to listen to the song a sixth time, you will be taken to the iTunes Music Store entry for that song. If you like it, we hope you consider purchasing this song.

Song Title (itms://song.aac)

*Loaned songs cannot be burned to a CD.

4) User B clicks the link in the email he got from Apple and the iTunes Music Store launches. He clicks the "Download Now" link.

5) User B enjoys said song and decides to buy it.

User A is happy; User B is happy; Apple is happy.

What more could you ask for?
 
Re: Listener Loans

Originally posted by Archmage
I was imagining listener loans to be more like this:

1) User A has Song 1 (that he bought with the iTMS) and wants User B, three states over, to listen to it.

2) User A chooses Song 1 in his library and clicks "Loan to Friend". He enters in his friend's email address/apple ID.

3) At Apple, an email is generated stating something like:


4) User B clicks the link in the email he got from Apple and the iTunes Music Store launches. He clicks the "Download Now" link.

5) User B enjoys said song and decides to buy it.

User A is happy; User B is happy; Apple is happy.

What more could you ask for?

Great idea... but there is a problem with recording to tape (if some people still do that via the comp sound out, or apps like wiretap.

If apple could get around the more important problem of recording via an app like wiretap, then it could work
 
looking at it again though.. if they really want the song... there is always the P2P option... I guess it is sort of a catch 22. If they r going to get it, maybe they will spend the buck instead of P2P...

Maybe it could be an option for iTMS members who have bought an x amount of songs. Sort of showing a record of stability or that they can sorta be trusted.
 
T'will never happen

We all better get used to our 30 second previews. We will never get these LOANS of which this rumor speaks.

Apple has worked too ***** hard to get the record companies to get behind them to do something like this that would obviously piss them off.

There are several software packages out there that will copy audio straight from the computer. Apple and the rest of the affected parties are not going to allow this "loaning". They know they can't trust us.

"Audio Hijack Pro" is my favorite.
http://www.rogueamoeba.com
 
Originally posted by achmafooma
I might buy a song if the 30 second preview sounds like a song I could love. I will DEFINITELY buy a song if I hear the whole thing and love it.
Man, talk about looking the gift horse in the mouth. Thirty seconds might be better if it was a minute, but it's 30 seconds more than Apple could've done. 300,000 songs... that's a lot of work to get us a 30 second preview (complete with fade-in/outs)

Let's be grateful for what we've got. A whole listen is ridiculous. What would be your incentive to actually BUY the song, if you could just go into the store ANY TIME YOU WANT and listen to the whole thing.

Maybe listening to the whole album makes sense in a VIRGIN MEGASTORE but it makes NO SENSE at the ITUNES MUSIC STORE -- which is in your own house.... did you forget about that part?
 
Whether or not it could work, I vote NO on song loaners. Apple should not complicate the model. At least not this year.
 
Originally posted by MattG
Don't feed the PC trolls!

i was trying to be constructive. I'm an avid Mac fan and user, but I grew up on a PC so I don't really get into the Mac Vs. PC cat-fight.. It leads to too much school-yard behaviour and long winded, off topic threads.

Speaking of which... what were we talking about? :confused:
 
I really hope that they have DVD-Audio support for iTunes 5 and then record it to the iPod. But anyway, mabey they'll have iTunes 5 out for the Superbowl Pepsi promotion so you can enter in the password for your free songs.
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
How about allowing people to sell "used" tunes or albums back to the Apple Store for a partial refund, as brick and mortar stores allow with audio CDs? The songs you return would be deauthorized and you get a credit that you can apply to new purchases.

In the iTMS model individual songs are not authorized or deauthorized. Songs are sold to an account (your Apple ID or .Mac account ID), and the account is authorized or deauthorized on a specific PC. Just as there is no feasible way to sell your copy of Abba's Greatest Hits to a gullible sucker, there's also no way to sell it back to iTMS. That's a system design-level fault, not something that can be fixed easily or perhaps even at all.
 
Originally posted by jettredmont
Just as there is no feasible way to sell your copy of Abba's Greatest Hits to a gullible sucker, there's also no way to sell it back to iTMS.
Sorry. Your reverse psychology won't work with me, jettredmont. I'll keep my Abba album thank you very much.

(Doctor Q walks down the street singing "You are the Dancing Queen, young and sweet, only seventeen..." way too loudly for somebody in a public place.)
 
Originally posted by Doctor Q
(Doctor Q walks down the street singing "You are the Dancing Queen, young and sweet, only seventeen..." way too loudly for somebody in a public place.)
Anyone singing ABBA anywhere is singing it too loud.
 
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