iTunes 7.6.2, Time Machine, Airport, QT, FrontRow Updates available

[Dingo Dave 69]

Can someone explain to me exactly what this updates on itunes? It seems to be allowing you to rent movies on your pc and appleTV but that has been available for some time now as part of the Take2 upgrade hasn't it. I have seen movies and tv programmes to rent on itunes well before this update, what am I missing

 

[jmadlena]

This is about as intelligent as people saying "I hate Macs" for no good reason at all. So you "hate carbon apps". Why would any rational person care whether an application is written using Cocoa, Carbon or whatever else the developer decided to use? What difference does it make to the user? None whatsoever....

Actually, there are reasons why it would make a difference. Cocoa has a much richer feature set that carbon apps can't utilize. Just today we found out that Photoshop CS4 isn't going to be 64-bit, because *drumroll*... it's carbon! Carbon can't be 64-bit. Sounds like a big deal to me.

This is a real question I'm asking right now. I'm not being sarcastic. Can carbon apps utilize Core Animation, or Core Data? I'm guessing it can use Core Audio...

There's a reason that Mac OS X is Cocoa native. Because it is newer, more powerful, and generally better than carbon. If it wasn't we still would be using carbon equally as much as cocoa.

 

[displaced]

This is a real question I'm asking right now. I'm not being sarcastic. Can carbon apps utilize Core Animation, or Core Data? I'm guessing it can use Core Audio...

CoreData's a definite yes, CoreAnimation is a 'most likely'.

There's a reason that Mac OS X is Cocoa native. Because it is newer, more powerful, and generally better than carbon.

They do different things. Neither is more native than the other, and OS X is not 'Cocoa Native' any more than it's 'Carbon Native', 'Java Native' or 'POSIX Native'. Cocoa and Carbon are simply sets of APIs which OS X provides. Some things are possible in Carbon that aren't in Cocoa and vice versa. Some things are easier in Cocoa than they are in Carbon and vice versa. The two are callable within the same application. I would hazard a guess that many Cocoa apps call a chunk or two of Carbon APIs.

If it wasn't we still would be using carbon equally as much as cocoa.

See what some real coders make of those sorts of statements:
http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/181/the-cocoa-carbon-advantage
http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2004/02/10/70789.aspx
http://unsanity.org/archives/000024.php
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/05/23/cocoa_vs_carbon.html

The state of play at the moment is that developers choose the APIs that'll let them do what they need, in the cleanest way possible.

(edit: the situation is almost-sorta-kinda like Windows .NET Framework (with object-oriented goodness) versus Windows Win32 (MFC/ATL or bare-API). Although, as a .NET coder myself who has to dip into Win32 on occasion and a beginner Cocoa/Carbon developer, my view is that Carbon seems a fair bit nicer than Win32)

 

[milo]

There's a reason that Mac OS X is Cocoa native. Because it is newer, more powerful, and generally better than carbon. If it wasn't we still would be using carbon equally as much as cocoa.

Actually, isn't the finder still carbon? The underlying OS stuff probably has to have a fair amount of cocoa, but isn't there still a ton of GUI stuff that is still cocoa?

And most of apple's apps are still carbon. There is no question that apple has hyped cocoa to death for years, but they still aren't practicing what they preach.

 

[Freis968]

I would go with Apple Lossless. Gives you all the advantages of tags and artwork while preserving some disc space. And you can convert the files back to WAV without loss of quality (as I proved here).

Thanks for the info, but I was thinking about going with AIFF. Why not that? Or are you more concerned with space limitations? I don't worry about space, when I run out I just go buy another larger hard drive...

 

[Hugh]

Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering what was the difference.

Hugh


Actually, a program won't be faster or slower because it is written in Cocoa or in Carbon. It is easier to write user interfaces in Cocoa, so developing new applications can be done faster. But that is obviously not a reason to change an existing application to Cocoa, because the application is written and the time and money is spent.

Here is how a program gets faster: If the company and management allow the developers to spend time on improving the speed of a program instead of adding flashy new features, and if you have competent programmers who can find bottlenecks in the code and are capable of fixing them. Cocoa vs. Carbon doesn't make a difference.[/QUOTE]

 

[rexamafex]

Anyone know if this update fixes front row being stuck in a black screen and you whole computer becomes unresponsive and you have to basically restart your computer to fix it?

 

[jmadlena]

...
http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/181/the-cocoa-carbon-advantage
http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2004/02/10/70789.aspx
http://unsanity.org/archives/000024.php
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/05/23/cocoa_vs_carbon.html
..

Thanks for the informative articles. I must admit my prior posts have been too strongly worded. It is fairly obvious that I don't know a lot about coding, but what I do know is what I hear from the WWDC videos and such. I hear Apple preaching Cocoa because it is the latest, and Carbon is a legacy code with some new stuff bolted on; made so that OS 9 developers didn't have to totally redo an application (is this correct). I get that it has its merits, and other developers should use it if it gets the job done, but Apple has no excuse. At least in my mind.

They preach Cocoa as the framework for Mac OS X, but iTunes and the Finder aren't based on Cocoa. That really annoys me.

This may just be anecdotal, but I like Cocoa apps a lot more. They seem to look nicer, and have more functionality. But this could all come down to the developer and the specific apps I'm using, I guess. Just something I've observed over the years.

 

[eme jota ce]

Upgrade caused problems after install

Downloaded and installed, then restarted.

All files / folders disappeared from desktop.
Firefox won't Open
Adobe & Word can't reach their update servers
iWeb lost all of my websites (returns an error with opening "iWeb: Can't create file '(null)'."

Not sure what else went wacky from this software update. Repairing permissions now in the hopes that it will fix itself...

Macbook C2D 2.16Ghz, 2GBRAM, OSX 10.5.2

[UPDATE]: After repairing permissions and restarting, all was back to normal.

 

[Jetson]

Repair permissions.

Repair permissions???

With Leopard repair permissions no longer works. After letting it run for over an hour, the progress bar never moves, whereas on Tiger repair permissions was a speed racer.

When will Apple fix this utility?

 

[riversky]

Spotlight!!

Anyone else find Spotlight crashes and doesn't work after this update!!!!!

WTF Apple! Nothing like updates that kill such a basic feature.

 

[mikey.f]

Everything seems to be OK after the update... Didn't test Front Row yet - but yeah, I wasn't having and issues before the update either. So I hope nothing's messed up.

 

[Jelite]

Now i have the FR issue someone else mentioned, it jumps back to the last movie you watched everytime you try and scroll through the list

How do i get back to FR 2.1.2?

 

[davel-jonez]

Problems since installing this update:

• The Dock doesn't pop up when I move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen.
• When I hover the mouse pointer over menu items, they don't get highlighted unless I hold the mouse button down.
• In Safari, the mouse pointer icon doesn't change to a hand when I hover over links.

Anyone else having these problems?

 

[jmadlena]

Anyone else find Spotlight crashes and doesn't work after this update!!!!!

WTF Apple! Nothing like updates that kill such a basic feature.

Problems since installing this update:

• The Dock doesn't pop up when I move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen.
• When I hover the mouse pointer over menu items, they don't get highlighted unless I hold the mouse button down.
• In Safari, the mouse pointer icon doesn't change to a hand when I hover over links.

Anyone else having these problems?

What I don't get is how an QuickTime, iTunes, Front Row, Time Machine, or Airport updates affect things like the dock and spotlight. It seems like lately Apple fixes one thing and messes up another.

 

[cnoyes72]

Problems since installing this update:

• The Dock doesn't pop up when I move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen.
• When I hover the mouse pointer over menu items, they don't get highlighted unless I hold the mouse button down.
• In Safari, the mouse pointer icon doesn't change to a hand when I hover over links.

Anyone else having these problems?

After updating itunes and quicktime the finder continually crashes and relaunches. I'm running 10.4.11 on a dual G4 1.6. I think I may have to re-install the OS.

-CN

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Why so many Carbon haters?

For the longest time I was biased too but Finder is Carbon. Rewriting iTunes in Cocoa wouldn't automatically make it faster or better. In fact, there would probably be hundreds upon hundreds of bugs and missing features if they rewrote iTunes from scratch. I'm all for iTunes slimming down, possibly separating functionality. But expecting Apple to rewrite iTunes to do the exact same thing, rewritten in Cocoa, perform faster, more stable, and consume less resources. Come on. That reminds me of that whiney article a while back that, after 2,000 words of text, basically said, "I want the Mac Pro to be faster, consume less power, smaller form factor, and more features." You can't have your cake and eat it too.

There's another article on here with people whining about Adobe not moving fast enough to convert over to Cocoa and will therefore miss the CS4 version in 64-bit because they were forced to switch when Apple suddenly dropped Carbon64 in 2007. I'm sorry, but I had to call foul there because Apple themselves cannot seem to do what they are asking other companies to do! They said Carbon was the past in 2001 and yet they themselves in SEVEN YEARS have not been able to convert iTunes over to Cocoa! SEVEN YEARS. That seems inexcusable to me if you're going to stay carbon and yet leave people like Adobe in the dust (well, in a 64-bit sense, which is where Adobe wants to be) because THEY should move forward and switch to Cocoa. Tisk Tisk Apple.

I WOULD be concerned about bugs if they switched over at this point. I'm scared to even install the .2 upgrade on my PPC Mac as it's running my whole house audio system and I don't need some nasty new bug cropping up. I do have bootable backups of all my drives, though so I suppose I could try it out without worrying, but many out there do not.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Repair permissions???

With Leopard repair permissions no longer works. After letting it run for over an hour, the progress bar never moves, whereas on Tiger repair permissions was a speed racer.

When will Apple fix this utility?

It sure seems like Apple is shooting themselves in the foot a lot lately. I'm thinking I'll pass on the QT/iTunes upgrades. It seems ironic they call it a stability and bug fix upgrade and it outright destroys basic OS operations better than many PC viruses could ever hope to do. Who needs a virus when you have an Apple update?

My two AppleTV units STILL won't access basic password protected files or pre-existing DRM files OR YouTube, even after the AppleTV software update. Everything else on them works (Podcasts, trailers, previews, non-drm music streaming, etc.), so I can't even IMAGINE what Apple managed to do that BATCH of units (I got two at the same store and they BOTH have the same problem) to cause that problem over such a small number of units that even a software update won't fix it.

 

[balwx]

Hi folks. I'm using 10.5.2 on my nice new macbook. When I try to update quicktime using software update I get this error "You do not have appropriate access privileges.
The Installer package has been moved to the Trash. To try again, open the package from the Finder."


I have also received this error on past quicktime upgrades using system update. I can install quicktime correctly, if I d/l the entire program from apple.com. I am logged in as administrator.

Can anyone please help? Thanks!

 

[davel-jonez]

What I don't get is how an QuickTime, iTunes, Front Row, Time Machine, or Airport updates affect things like the dock and spotlight. It seems like lately Apple fixes one thing and messes up another.

Maybe this update was a rush job to fix the security vulnerability that was discovered in the PWN to OWN contest.
I'm using Time Machine to downgrade back to before I installed this update.

 

[fhall1]

well....I was going to install the updates, but you guys are scaring me into waiting a while until the dust settles a little more. Things are working ok here...no need to fix it if it ain't broke

 

[rexamafex]

well FR still has the issue of crashing MBP Penryn for anyone wondering. The computer becomes unresponsive and the only way to recover is restarting the computer.

 

[DaBrain]

Well again all went well here on both my iMac and MacBook! Thanks Apple for da updates. Looking forward to 10.5.3 yum yum!

 

[Objectivist-C]

Does the iTunes update break Requiem?

 

[mickhyperion]

If you rent a movie on iTunes and then put it on your iPod and connect it to your tv with the component cables, will the picture look good? or is it going to be all stretched out and pixelated? ... trying to avoid buying AppleTV

I just bought an iPod Classic this last weekend in order to play videos on my standard definition TV. Everything looks great! I am actually thrilled about it. I also didn't want to get an AppleTV because it can't play videos from a playlist or in shuffle mode, but the iPod can.