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iTunes 9 Breaks Palm Pre Syncing Once Again
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DRM was a requirement from the record labels. Apple's wish has always been to offer non-DRMed media and they were one of the first online music stores which managed to convince the biggest record labels to sold their songs unprotected.
About this whole Apple/Pre thing, and although I wouldn't object if Palm users had the ability to sync with iTunes, I still have to side with Apple because we're talking about their software (which probably cost a buttload of money and human resources to develop).
Practical example:
Let's say I buy a Wacom tablet which comes with a neat Wacom software to setup the tablet preferences and etc.
Am I expecting that this software works with any tablet available? Of course not.
Am I expecting Wacom to support other brand's tablets which are hacking their way to work with the software? The answer is the same.
I also (like many here) would like every device (including my PS3) to connect directly to iTunes and to stream Movies just as it does with the Apple TV but the truth is that Apple has no obligation to implement and support such feature and if Sony found a hack to do it and Apple cut them off I wouldn't be surprised for one bit because... well, it is THEIR software.
The truth is, if iTunes was called iPhone Sync this would be a non-issue.
Oh by the way. If iTunes just isn't that big a deal for palm, why are they fighting so hard to get sync, especially since all their users bash it for being a resource hog.
http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/202223-itunes-9-does-break-pre-sync-4.html
Some are still very unhappy. They are even saying that their Pre update 1.2 was DELAYED because palm wanted to get their hands on iTunes 9 first. If that isn't the epitome of ignorance I don't know what is.
http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/202223-itunes-9-does-break-pre-sync-4.html
Some are still very unhappy. They are even saying that their Pre update 1.2 was DELAYED because palm wanted to get their hands on iTunes 9 first. If that isn't the epitome of ignorance I don't know what is.
Out of curiosity . . .
So out of curiosity, what kind of iPod does iTunes think the Pre is? When you see the about this ipod, what kind of hardware is showing up?
Anyone have a Pre and post a screenshot of that I would be interested in seeing it.
So out of curiosity, what kind of iPod does iTunes think the Pre is? When you see the about this ipod, what kind of hardware is showing up?
Anyone have a Pre and post a screenshot of that I would be interested in seeing it.
I believe when you plug it into an itunes 8 app it'll come up as the very first ipods (with the small screen and all that).
In iTunes 9 it doesn't show up at all.
Anywho, the palm pixi supports itunes syncing too...oh boy
Thank you for your reply and the excellent information about synching. I must reiterate my point though and let me expand.
Would you agree that I can not plug a Pre into iTunes and have it synch? Why? Because Apple is actively blocking that functionality. Again that is a fact not an opinion as this article is about exactly that. There is nothing incorrect in my assertion. You may then argue that you can get around it but that does not negate the fact.
Wrong, this is like Sony trying to make their controllers work with an Xbox through USB. Sure its USB and it should be compatible, but MS would never allow it.
Thank you for your reply and the excellent information about synching. I must reiterate my point though and let me expand.
Would you agree that I can not plug a Pre into iTunes and have it synch? Why? Because Apple is actively blocking that functionality. Again that is a fact not an opinion as this article is about exactly that. There is nothing incorrect in my assertion. You may then argue that you can get around it but that does not negate the fact.
I got ya. I didn't think it was any legal issues with the connector in general, but rather that simply preventing others from using iTunes itself as it is becoming quite popular because of iPods/iPhones.
Yeah, I didn't quite understand how the USB was working, only that it was so I tried to be vague so thanks for that explanation =).
Also, with the Pre "spoofing" the Apple ID to work with iTunes, what I was trying to say is that Apple shouldn't be allowed to make that a requirement for iTunes. Sure they can at this point, but again they aren't the underdogs in this area anymore. They can get away with that sort of thing with computers because their competitors are so huge, but that's not the case with Apple's other products.
Once a case is brought up or someone important starts seeing this as a problem it would be awful for Apple, and they should just allow other devices to work with it rather than "requiring" methods against USB specs. iTunes has become far more than just their application to sync/play music.
I wouldn't call SyncServices a block - Apple has complete documentation on how to use it and recommends it. Its not like you are hacking a complete solution otherwise any writing of software for any purpose would be a "block" because there is not a direct A to B route.
MS Office is the dominate word processor, so everyone should be able to use it without getting a license from MS?
If you wanted to buy a license from MS and they said it is $299; and you offer them $15, will they still give you a license? No, should they have to? No.
If Palm said to Apple, let us license syncing to your iTunes, and Apple said, Ok, that will be $1,000,000 per year and Palm said, "No thanks!" Should they then be allowed to use it? Nope.
Has Palm approached Apple to find out about allowing sync? I'm guessing they did and Apple either said, "No thanks" or that it would cost more then Palm wanted to pay. But that doesn't give them the right to do it anyway, especially some way that is kinda sleazy.
I'm wondering if Apple could Trademark their VID; then go after Palm for Trademark Violation.
Apple is doing that because Palm is doing something they shouldn't. Apple has to protect its IPR and its bottom line.
iTunes is free software... Why? to sell iPods and iPhones. They make maybe 1 cent from every music download. The rest goes to the record companies. iTunes exists right now to sell Apple hardware. Why should they let another company use it for free and take their sales.
If Palm were to pay a fair licence fee for the ability to sync with iTunes then Apple may reconsider. Effectively Palm has broken the DMCA.
Me too and obviously you don't use Itunes to sync it but it still does what I want it too via it's own software which is how it should be.
When Apple needs something from Palm? Currently, Apple holds all the cards (unfortunately, IMO).
Umm please read my post again
I do not known a Palm pre or an iPhone nor do I want one. I own a blackberry. yes Blackberry software can do it but I would rather do it though iTunes but then again it does not really effect me since I perfer my media center stuff (iPod) and phone to be separated.
What I was trying to point out was from a consumer point of view. Maybe I should of included in that list of phones to say iphone and had it say (Blackberry, Palm, iPhone ect) instead of (BB, Palm ect). I was trying to point out that the consumer does not care who makes what phone. They just want it to work with the main peice of software with out having to use a huge amount of 3rd party software.
But what to expect people who prove my point very easily with blind apple following to understand the logic... No that is asking to much.
can I have your account password so I can post as you because thats how I want it to be and I shouldn't have to be tied to my account to post on these boards when yours is better.
the issue comes down to:
1. Palm put Apple's vendor ID on their devices to 'fix' the issue. This is a violation of the codes of the USB-IF right there. so they have some balls for saying anything.
2. The only way Palm will come out the winner is if Apple put code in itunes with their vendor id that basically says "you see this vendor, ignore the device". If instead they put their vendor code in and said "this is us, recognize anything with this code" to ensure that all generations of ipods are recognized they are likely fine. and I would suspect this is what they did because it explains why Palm mocked the Apple vendor code to 'fix' the first break
Palm should seriously just give up and develop their own software to read the openly accessible XML that itunes creates. can it really be that hard
for the same reason they control the computer hardware you can use MacOSX with. easier to revise and to fix when you have a limited number of device hardware configurations to support. If they opened up itunes syncing to every possible device they would have to test all changes on every device to ensure each thing works on everything.
why should Apple have to sell anything that supports someone else's hardware.
no the "simple fix" is for Palm to pull a Blackberry and write the software themselves.
Hey, when I installed iTunes 9 the installer started with: "installing apple mobile device"
Is this maybe Apple's new trick?
Is this maybe Apple's new trick?
iTunes is the third party software here. Pre owners should't complain to Apple, they should complain to Palm for not creating software for their device. That's all. And as for being a blind apple follower? FU. I don't follow anything blindly.
I see what you mean, but I don't think the analogy is correct. Office is just software and file formats. iTunes is more than that and the problem is it working with other hardware. While Apple is doing that with their OS in the computer market, all I'm saying is that it might not work so well in a market they nearly control, ultimately limiting the competition (there aren't many other music apps on the scale of iTunes for Mac). People are free to make other file formats or try to compete with Word, but Word works on various platforms, works with other formats, and is readable with free alternatives such as OpenOffice.
Palm could make their own if they wanted to, but what I personally have a problem with is that the iPod can work on other music players (though not so well), but no other music player can work with iTunes. iTunes isn't only sold with iPods anymore, is included on every Mac, and is the central location for audio and video on the Mac and many PCs.
1 cent? Apple's gross cut is more like 30-35 cents, which on $8.5 billion sales (songs only, not including movies) is nearly $3 billion in revenue. You won't see Steve Jobs in the queue for the homeless shelter for some time yet..
