iTunes 9 to Include Blu-ray Support and iPhone App Organization?
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Tallest Skil
macrumors P6
So sue. Or don't you think you have a case?
i know that directv is not immune and have been brought under legal action for being "HD-Lite", so just because i don't have the means to battle apple, doesn't mean its not true.
Sol
macrumors 68000
Excuse me but you make it sound like SONY's version of HD is the only one that matters. For all we know BD will not catch on the way DVD did because of internet distribution through set-up boxes and other such devices, like Apple TV for example.
NightStorm
macrumors 68000
Riiighht.
The HD definition does not state minimum compression levels, it only specifies a minimum resolution (1280x720p).
Has DirecTV lost one of these trials yet?
BD has exceeded DVD in the same stages in their life cycle
If your ok with iTunes "HD" good for you, i however will not purchase that and go with the standard for true HD, which is currently BD. I also had HD-DVD when it was out as well.
Tallest Skil
macrumors P6
There is no definition for this.
To me, true HD is Super Hi-Vision, as beyond that the human eye cannot distinguish any further resolution. 1080p is for lightweights.
No, but Blu Ray is far better than the compressed crap Apple peddles as HD, and until we have super hi-vision and eyes that can see it, I'll settle for the best available, which is Blu Ray.
NightStorm
macrumors 68000
I have all three as well... as a matter of fact, I should have two more HD-DVDs waiting for me in the mailbox today. If you're looking for me to say iTunes' HD files are just as good or better than Bluray/HDDVD, you're going to be disappointed. However, that doesn't stop me from ripping my discs and encoding AppleTV-compatible versions for the times I don't want to use the physical disc.
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
i have to agree, i cant stand anything below BR now.. too grainy and blotchy, ick.
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
you see it all the time in the torrent sites! you really have to be careful! a movie might say "300 BR RIP DVD9" - which, as we know, DVD9 just means dual-layer, so it has been upscaled... its really lame..
CQd44
macrumors 6502a
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
yup thats my thinking aswell, i have noticed more and more "true rips" aka 40GB movies, but they dont have that many seeders so i dont often do them. a 25gb cap per month doesnt help either
charlituna
macrumors G3
given that such a format hasn't been released, who is to say that Apple wouldn't give it out to the masses as a new standard.
you say that because you are one of those super geeks. to the average Mom and Pop that doesn't have a 200 inch tv and speakers as big as my Jeep, what they get on itunes is enough for them. they don't know enough (or have the equipment) to spot the differences. all they care about is price and how long it takes for it to download on their crappy DSL line
Sol
macrumors 68000
That is right. Nobody's enjoyment of a movie should be ruined because they watched it and listened to it in a compressed format. Kudos to the so called experts on all things audio and computer related for having the ability to notice quality differences between uncompressed and compressed media but most people get by with their lives using their average sight and hearing abilities.
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
how long do they go for? if they are 1hr long then it would be BR (or some compressed type - at least it is). if they are like 2hrs & > then it could be a DVD rip.
MagnusVonMagnum
macrumors 603
Borderline illegal? That's just plain absurd. 720P *IS* HD by definition. Go look it up for goodness sake. 1080i@30fps has LESS actual resolution for any given moment than 720P@60fps (perceived resolution is a trick of the brain and only works when there is little to no motion). This is why Microsoft actually pushed to try and remove 1080i from the standards as interlaced formats are based on ancient backwards technology that is no longer relevant today. 720P is as good or better than 1080i in most situations. 1080P is limited to 24fps which is rather limiting and is more ideal for film than HD video in many regards. Even NTSC dumped 24fps in favor of 30 due to the high speed limitations of that rate (which is just barely on the limit of "smooth motion" to the eye. I'm not sure I'd prefer to watch sports in 1080P even if I had the choice compared to 720P running at 60fps. For film movies (which are already 24fps limited), 1080P makes sense.
The audio on those movies is standard Dolby Digital 5.1. And that's a joke? LOL. I guess you can't stand watching movies at the theater since it's even more compressed for both DD and DTS than at home. Life must be hard being able to hear compression artifacts no one else can hear (although some sure THINK they can, even though they're often listening to it on cheap, junky Logitech speaker systems or similar quality "sound" systems which aren't going to sound good no matter WHAT you feed them). What are you using for audio playback?
"Compressed crap" ? 720P is compressed crap? How did you ever even watch DVDs, let alone SD cable, laserdiscs or god forbid, a VHS tape??? I'd bet some of you putting down Apple HD have NEVER even seen it with a real program. There is no "grain" or "crap" or any of this nonsense I keep reading about. It looks VASTLY better than DVD and most of the HD on cable and satellite and yet you use words like "crap" to describe it. I'm sorry but 720P and "crap" should never be used in the same sentence. It just looks ridiculous.
I honestly wonder if some people (not you Sol) on here even REALIZE that Blu-Ray itself is ALSO compressed. I mean do some of you even realize how much space uncompressed HD video actually takes up? I've been transferring VHS and Laserdiscs to MP4 and I record uncompressed for Final Cut editing. A 2 hour movie/video can easily take up over 250GB and that's 480i! 1080i uncompressed (24fps 3:2 pulldown to get 1080p is similar) is over 400GB an HOUR (i.e. a 2 hour movie would be over 800GB uncompressed). No, I'm afraid BD movies are very heavily compressed. Of course, broadcast and Apple are compressed more, but that doesn't mean there's automatically going to be artifacts. BD is largely overkill to satisfy those that probably still aren't satisfied and won't be until it really is 100% uncompressed (i.e. you'd need 1TB+ discs).
I see comments about how grainy anything less than Blu-Ray is, when in fact GRAIN has NOTHING TO DO with Blu-Ray or not Blu-Ray. Grain is a result of film limitations or low-lighting sensors, not resolution for playback. The ignorance on here about video is ASTOUNDING and most of it is coming from those that make the most outrageous claims.
There's nothing wrong with Blu-Ray. It's a great format and if you have the system and seating distance appropriate to screen size to take advantage of the resolution increase (I seriously doubt most of you do), it might very well be worth it. Personally, I don't enjoy using disc formats when I've been spoiled by having over 300 movies, a dozen tv shows, over 5500 songs and over 300 music videos on a central server that feeds half the rooms in my house with no need to carry the disc around the house, watch FBI warnings and advertisements and annoying animated menus when I just want to start the movie I bought and paid for. If I could easily rip/encode those movies to store on a central server at some point (even if I had to use another viewer to see the 1080P), I might still be interested, but right now it's a PITA to do that (compared to moving DVD collections over).
Besides, my current projector is 720P so it's wasted now anyway (and I'm not going to throw out a $2000 projector that is only 2 years old just yet) and unlike some of you, I know that sitting a mere 9 feet from my 47" 1080P set upstairs can only resolve 720P worth of detail so it would be wasted there too. You simply CANNOT perceive 1080P at that screen size and viewing distance. It's impossible. But that clearly doesn't stop people from making bogus claims on here. They're utterly laughable in many cases. I seriously doubt many of you making these BD claims even have 100"+ screen sizes with $2500-5000 1080P projectors and sit the 8-12 feet away required at those sizes to actually SEE that 1080P worth of detail. If you're looking at 50" or less and sitting more than 8 feet away, you'd do well to stop talking because it's easily proven you CANNOT see during normal viewing (i.e. not standing 3-6 feet away) the things you CLAIM to see.
Here's an article on resolving distances:
http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/12836
Here's a chart showing resolution versus screen size and viewing distance as to what you can actually see:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgethd.com/media/2006/12/resolution_chart.jpg
If you aren't in range of 1080P on that chart for your seating distance for screen size, you aren't seeing it. Period.
DVDs use MPeg2 compression, which is very much inferior to MP4 (H264) so it's quite possible that a 720P MP4 that is the same size a 480P DVD would still be just fine for quality. 720P in MPeg2 would need a much larger file to be of the same quality.
Quillz
macrumors 65816
But for some really stupid reason, nested playlists STILL aren't supported on iPhone OS 3.0...
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
(nicely explained btw
)from my experience, the "BR quality rips" that are ~4GB have all been just DVD9 files that are basically converted at the highest quality (as well as upscaled) possible to make it appear HD. meh.
CQd44
macrumors 6502a
about an hour. them all being 4.7 GB makes me raise an eyebrow though ;]
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
oh ok, well without seeing the video at all - i would say that it is a BR rip, seems legit to me.
DELLsFan
macrumors 6502a
I hope MySpace is included with the social network thing.
Oh God! MySpace has got to be the most puerile of all the "social networking" venues. The sooner it dies, the better.
As for iTunes ... I hope all the improvements planned don't fatten it up more than it already is. It could use a diet and stand to lose a few pounds, actually.
