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Which means they are not really encrypted. Sure they run the algorithm, but I am not in control of the key, so who cares.

A locked door is still a locked door, and serves to prevent everyone who doesn't hold a key from entry.

For iCloud, the user has a key, and Apple has one, which it can be compelled to use under warrant from law enforcement.

By your reasoning, I suppose everyone who lives in an apartment shouldn't bother to lock their doors at all, since the landlord also has a key (where they can be bound by law not to utilize unless they have given prior notice). I think it's safe to say tenants do, and should care.

You may argue that in these situations, that security is not absolute, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a layer of security present. Those who desire greater security would of course be advised to keep their backups local.
 
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Never should've crammed movies in to iTunes.
The current version is little more than a series of traps to get you to upload and relinquish ownership of your music library.
I'm sticking with 10.4.1, and maybe one of the new Apps to access the store. But that's become more and more useless over the years anyway.
If I have to, I'll see what Samsung has to offer. It doesn't look like they're trying to smother me with Advertisements and tricky marketing schemes.
iTunes is nice, because I've had it a long time, and the same version runs on all my Macs, back to a 2005 mini.
That does not make it essential. I've long since moved on for video and books.
 
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iTunes is currently the 100 year old in a coma that the family refused to take off life support. It’s time people. Get over it. Apple finally pulling the plug.
 
As long as I can migrate my iTunes library and structure over, I'll be good with this. Otherwise, I'm screwed. I have over a thousand playlists with hundreds of folders and sub-folders to organize my music within iTunes. All of it built up over 18 years.
Same. If any part of the library management goes away I am royally screwed.
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Why does that screenshot of iTunes circa 2001 show a White Stripes album in the library that wasn't released until 2005? Did the person who made that screen shot have a time machine?
They probably kept iTunes 1.0 around for posterity or like others here just prefer an older version to a newer one?
[doublepost=1559324476][/doublepost]The 2001 interface is *so* much better than the current user-patronizing clustermess.
And yet you can make the current interface look almost EXACTLY like it through the magic of preferences.
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So will I need three different applications to transfer my music, my videos, and my books to my iPhone now??
You won't if Apple decides to include a user facing file system, like Android has, instead of all these weird proprietary databases that can only be accessed via a single App.
iOS is in desperate need of a "Finder" App that'll talk to Macs, as well as other iOS devices.
 
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How to get Itune Match to work without Itune.
How to do factory reset.
How to do local restore phone.
How to sync photo folder.
 
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Plex (and maybe other apps) have the ability to store and play music off of pretty any system, Apple, Android, Linux or Windows. I haven't implemented this, but I have started backups of my CD's to try it. The problem is to use it as a network server means you have to buy a monthly or yearly streaming option with Plex. To just use it at home on your own network does NOT require that subscription, at least right now. You can link your Plex music library to your iTunes library, but whether that will still be true in the future I don't know.

Yeah, I use Plex as well, but only within my LAN. I use iTunes Match (My music library) to stream outside the home. I don't forward any ports in my router, (although I should be using the OpenVPN server in my router to connect with my LAN). If I'm going on a trip typically I just sync some movies/TV shows with Plex iOS App. I have a few subscriptions, but not many.
 
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So curious how they are going to implement this, but I'm good with it, I've been waiting for a change like this for a while. They have a podcast, TV/video, books app - may as well separate those features out of iTunes/Music.

I'm excited for the keynote today.
 
So curious how they are going to implement this, but I'm good with it, I've been waiting for a change like this for a while. They have a podcast, TV/video, books app - may as well separate those features out of iTunes/Music.

I'm excited for the keynote today.
Personally, I want a single app that syncs all data that I use on my iPhone/iPad and I had no problem with iTunes so I may be an exception but I dislike multiple apps like this.

I also want to have videos and music and podcasts under one media player. But that’s pretty much gone now too

But got to move with the times and hopefully it isn’t too bad
 
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Personally, I want a single app that syncs all data that I use on my iPhone/iPad and I had no problem with iTunes so I may be an exception but I dislike multiple apps like this.

I also want to have videos and music and podcasts under one media player. But that’s pretty much gone now too

But got to move with the times and hopefully it isn’t too bad

I definitely don't want them to disable the iPhone backup features. But you have to admit, the more things they added to iTunes, the slower and harder to navigate it became. I can't remember which version came out where they hid everything and it became less linear to navigate, but I haven't liked it as much since then. And I found when managing large local libraries, iTunes just got slower and slower, even after wiping and reloading.

I get your point though. Clicking on thing and managing one thing is a lot simpler!
 
I definitely don't want them to disable the iPhone backup features. But you have to admit, the more things they added to iTunes, the slower and harder to navigate it became. I can't remember which version came out where they hid everything and it became less linear to navigate, but I haven't liked it as much since then. And I found when managing large local libraries, iTunes just got slower and slower, even after wiping and reloading.

I get your point though. Clicking on thing and managing one thing is a lot simpler!
Yes I agree that it is bloated and can be really slow but instead I worry we will get 3+ apps that are all slow and bloated with reduced functionality

It is true that as iTunes has evolved they have removed features or made them hard to use (<cough>ringtones</cough>) so something different may not be so bad and maybe they will finally fix the travesty that is their handling of podcasts so it might not be so bad. Although their iOS podcast app is even worse but there doesn’t seem any app that just uses the podcasts synced from iTunes otherwise I’d be set
 
I use iTunes extensively on my MacBook Pro to store all my music collection. In turn I then update my iPod touch from the MBP when I make changes or additions. I like many other people understand that iTunes will be no more shortly. My question is, will iTunes still work on my MacBook. I do not want to lose my music. Yes it is backed up but only within iTunes. I'm assuming iTunes will remain within my OSX but if I update am I likely to see it simply disappear? This is not a speculative question.


This is very much a concern.
 
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And small musicians who aren't Taylor Swift or Coldplay will continue to be shafted by streaming services against physical and digital sales. iTunes sales used to be a decent payout, typically 90 - 95% of the online price. But now we're earning less than a penny / cent per stream in most cases.

At least on the bright side, Apple pay their artists more than erm... say.... Spotify.
 
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Been using iTunes for so, so long now. I love how I can see albums I added over a decade ago, the play count of tracks I've listened to hundreds of times. I really hope this isn't a drastic change, I have so much history in my library.
 
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I dont mind if they split it up into different apps. As long as the Music app still honours my library locally. Theres drag and drop file transfer to iphone, I can Factory Reset iphone if needed.
 
What will happen to customer like me who have thousands of dollar worth of music purchases from iTunes?

Your music will be in the new Music app and that's it.

Your post reminded me that the last time I purchased music from iTunes was maybe 7 years ago so I went to check. The latest music I purchased was:

- will.i.am - Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears)
- Styx - Mr. Roboto
- Ne-Yo - Beautiful Monster
- LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem
- Britney Spears - Hold it Against Me
- That goddamn U2 album from a few years ago that nobody wanted

Thinking again I'd actually be happy if they took all that crap I used actual money to buy away. Jesus Christ
 
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