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iWork '05 Productivity Suite?

Oh and just to add the rumour mill and I'm sure we'll be hearing about improvements to .mac as well, even if it is only a storage increase. I remember reading a rumour about this recently.

Keeps looking like it's going to be one heck on an interesting keynote!
 
blybug said:
....Though it would be a great value as well, I'm still hoping there is not a repeat with the rumored iWork and some of our current favorite "free" apps like Mail and iCal after this year's Stevenote. But the more I think about it... 🙁
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As I said earlier in this thread: 'Apple won't make Mail.app, Address Book or iCal pay-for apps. It doesn't make any sense. For example: MS includes Outlook Express (Mail+Address Book) for free with Windows. Removing these apps would remove basic functionality from the base system that many people use and need and they would get A LOT of flak for this.'

It's not worth it to separate these apps from the included OS package. With iLife, there was a real reason: GREAT apps that people would use (and pay for). Mail, Address Book, and iCal can be easily and FREELY replaced with alternatives. Thunderbird in place of Mail+Address Book and Sunbird can be used in place of iCal. It even includes support for the iCalendar (.ics) format that iCal uses.

Besides, if you saw the leaked Tiger builds, Apple has been improving Mail.app and iCal so it's evident that they aren't going anywhere. I think Address Book is also going to stay along side iCal and Mail.

Don't worry, this app trio will remain free 😀
 
Ladies and gentlemen, the MS Office killer aka iWorks is going to be a beautiful platform agnostic Aqua rendition of something like Ragtime http://www.ragtime-online.com/link.cgi?startpage

Do what you like with text, formulae and images/video designed and saved all one document page in Mac OSX and be 100% confident it will be readable in Windows (because the formats of everything produced will be openable in your dependable open/cross-platform formats like rtf, pdf, jpeg and Quicktime...).

Isnt that how to say Adios MS Office and hello productivity suite iWork for the masses - no need to worry about being different because it will be corporate business world friendly without the MS influence?
 
Didn't Jobs mention at the WWDC preview of Tiger that TextEdit would include tables and footnote capabilities. If so, is TextEdit becoming "Pages", or would they be two separate apps?
 
Consider the name "Pages".

Given the name, I don't think this is meant to be some Word killer.. its for casual use - ala AppleWorks.

Perhaps I'm reading into the name of the app too much.
 
blybug said:
I guess you must have gotten your iMac after the announcement of iLife 04 and the new pricing scheme
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Nope, I bought my Mac in November 2003, before iLife '04 was released... 😕 Well, whatever, I received everything pre-loaded and free so I don't really care! 😉 😎
 
m a y a said:
The $ 499 USD, mac should take as much packaging space as a 12" iBook/PowerBook.

I hope Apple just drops the eMac line and market this new Mac to EDU and New Comers. With a small package they can pack more on a shipping skid and the weight would also be a plus. Plus internals getting cheaper over the last some months I can see the new Mac at 499 if not less with EDU pricing. 🙂
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Only if Apple starts selling 17" LCDs for $300 and/or bundles a screen with the unit in the same eMac price range. The entire SUNY system buys tons of eMacs, they're keeping Apple in the college edu market in New York State (at least in State Schools). If you're one of those "I hate eMac because I wouldn't buy one" and out of touch with their use (they're not bad machines) don't make comments when you don't realize eMacs importance in the bigger scheme of things.

Also you should be posting your $499 Mac comments the other thread that's about 500 pages long now.
 
I didn't vote yet as I don't really know how I feel.

I have Office 2001 on my 500mhz iBook, which I practically live and breathe every day. Treated like an oversize PDA, I have everything in there (yes, it's all backed up daily)

Under osX, however, I have been using OpenOffice, a decidedly Windows-look-'n'-feel environment that I tolerate predominately because it's free. When I bought the 17" powerBook it's running on for graphics, video and sound endeavors, I never thought of using an office package of any sort, relying on my older system.

A new version of AppleWorks with a fancy title might be a tempting replacement for MS or OO, but I'd have to playtest the thing at an Apple store to make a final determination. MS crams bells-'n'-whistles galore into their package, OO is merely adequate, so I suppose "Sugar" is somewhere in-between?
 
~Shard~ said:
Nope, I bought my Mac in November 2003, before iLife '04 was released... 😕 Well, whatever, I received everything pre-loaded and free so I don't really care! 😉 😎
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Then you got iLife 1.0 or "iLife '03". This came with iMovie 3, iTunes 4, iPhoto 2 and iDVD 3.
The first three were free for anyone who wanted them, but iDVD 3 had to bought (as part of the entire boxed set).
 
animefan_1 said:
Then you got 'iLife 1.0' or iLife '03. iMovie 3, iTunes 4, iPhoto 2 and iDVD 3.
The first three were free for anyone who wanted them, but iDVD 3 had to bought (as part of the entire boxed set).
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Yep, I received all 4 iLife apps for free with my Mac, but they weren't the iLife '04 apps.

Kay, are we done here now? 😉
 
Photorun said:
Only if Apple starts selling 17" LCDs for $300 and/or bundles a screen with the unit in the same eMac price range. The entire SUNY system buys tons of eMacs, they're keeping Apple in the college edu market in New York State (at least in State Schools). If you're one of those "I hate eMac because I wouldn't buy one" and out of touch with their use (they're not bad machines) don't make comments when you don't realize eMacs importance in the bigger scheme of things.

Also you should be posting your $499 Mac comments the other thread that's about 500 pages long now.
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Hah, only reason student like the eMac is because its the lowest price point Mac Desktop to date.

I never stated that it was under powered you seem to have drawn this conclusion on your own. And no if this screen-less Mac come to reality the eMac would look like a worse deal in reasons of price, and portability.

eMac important as in how, have you tried carrying 50lbs. I am sure when this new 499 Mac is released you will say eMac what?. 🙄

Apple can do without the screen as a low end model I am sure if school have problems with student poking a screen let them worry about it why does Apple have to worry about what screen they use as long as they are using they OS and Computing hardware who care, think about this new 499 Mac being able to be attached to a projector or a HDTV or some lcd TV in a common room, its has far more benefit than an eMac. 🙂

Sorry I was not the individual who brought the 499 Mac, post was a reply to another. 🙂
 
When I hear "Pages", I think of web "Pages" more than paper "Pages".

Seems like there was some rumor a while ago that Apple was working on some type of Fisher-Pricified version of Dreamweaver for consumers. After all, personal web pages are getting more consumer penetration, yet there still aren't a lot of "iLife-easy" design tools for consumer webpages (other than just using templates).

People might contend that Rapidweaver is such a product, but I've used it a bit (even bought it) and although it's cool, I've found that it lacks some pretty basic ease-of-use features. (Basically zero support for any kind of dynamic content with normal webservers).

Simple word processor functionality is trivial these days. A word processor really isn't rumor material in my book. That doesn't take years of development. Plus I doubt Apple wants to take on Office head to head. What might take some serious development time is a word processor integrated into an iLife-type web design suite that works well with non-techie users and also conforms to web standards, with some type of a built-in FTP client. Something like this would differentiate it enough from Word to avoid friction with MS and maintain MSs support and development of Office on Mac, which, no matter what anyone says, is a big deal. This would also provide consumers with usable word processing capabilities right out of the box, which would also be good for consumers.
 
Xtremehkr said:
Given Microsofts propensity to take over competitors, I am sure that SJ (among others) has considered that possibility. There may be a reason why Apple keeps enough money on hand to buy shareholders out don't you think?

It maybe also why Microsoft sits upon a fortune that dwarves Apples. Other than to buy potential competitors.
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Oh my, how long has Bill Gates been lading M$ and How long has Steve Jobs been leading Apple after he got replaced the first time. 🙄

Apple has been on rough waters in the 90's (not looking at late 90's) and that was not on Steve's accord. Get your facts straight all companies have rough times like marriage however Apple has survived through those rough waters with some aid from M$ however that given this is indeed a new Apple.

It would seem M$ time to swim in and out of rough waters is coming soon, every company has this no matter how big or small the only important thing is that as long as it survives through it all. Why do you think Bill Gates is worried in regards to Linux, Mac OS X, iPod, digital content formats and so forth, just because he loves stress. 🙄 :: Maybe he does like stress I am not his doctor 🙂 ::
 
bretm said:
But what about the existing iWork software that's been around for years? it's a time management / calendar system. Surely they've copyrighted the name?

In addition, they even sell it on their own web site!

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/business_finance/iwork.html
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iWork(s) is the name of an application Apple can call it iWork Suite and iLife Suite there will be no misunderstanding at all.

iWork Suite 2005 has multiple individual applications that have names thus the iWork name is not for a given product rather for a compilation of application its not illegal. 🙂

M$ does it, this its called M$ Office (insert release year here).

Apple could well rename it to Apple Office however the name lacks something.
 
jakemikey said:
When I hear "Pages", I think of web "Pages" more than paper "Pages".

Seems like there was some rumor a while ago that Apple was working on some type of Fisher-Pricified version of Dreamweaver for consumers. After all, personal web pages are getting more consumer penetration, yet there still aren't a lot of "iLife-easy" design tools for consumer webpages (other than just using templates).

People might contend that Rapidweaver is such a product, but I've used it a bit (even bought it) and although it's cool, I've found that it lacks some pretty basic ease-of-use features. (Basically zero support for any kind of dynamic content with normal webservers).

Simple word processor functionality is trivial these days. A word processor really isn't rumor material in my book. That doesn't take years of development. Plus I doubt Apple wants to take on Office head to head. What might take some serious development time is a word processor integrated into an iLife-type web design suite that works well with non-techie users and also conforms to web standards, with some type of a built-in FTP client. Something like this would differentiate it enough from Word to avoid friction with MS and maintain MSs support and development of Office on Mac, which, no matter what anyone says, is a big deal. This would also provide consumers with usable word processing capabilities right out of the box, which would also be good for consumers.
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If I am not mistaken some of these names are code names, the release name might be different this could just be a brilliant ploy by Apple to mislead people about future application(s) and they name(s).

This seems rather off since Apple Legal is been quite active as of recent weeks. 🙂
 
Bandit said:
I think that apple is going to redifine what a productivity suite is. Instead of a different app for wp and ss and db I think that apple is going to use Pages as an all encompassing app. You can create spreadsheets, databases and word processing documents all the fly all integrated together. Make it very PDF friendly to eliminate the need for acrobat for most users. I don't know what this will look like but if anyone can do it apple can.
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OpenOffice anyone?
 
bretm said:
But what about the existing iWork software that's been around for years? it's a time management / calendar system. Surely they've copyrighted the name?

In addition, they even sell it on their own web site!

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/business_finance/iwork.html
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I would seem to be almost impossible for Apple to use that name, when a company already has software named iWork. Unless Apple already has talks under way with IGG Software, LLC.
 
zamyatin said:
Forget Microsoft Office, it's dead in the water. OpenOffice is rising and going to dominate. This product needs to used OpenDocument formats as its defaults. "Skate to where the puck is going, not where it is."
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OpenOffice may dominate Windows (outside of schools and businesses where they can afford mass-MS Office licenses), and already has dominated Linux, but it hasn't begun on the Mac yet. The Mac version still has to run in X11, meaning you have to have at least a basic knowledge of X11 (even sub-basic will do), but people with a CLI phobia are terrified, and people who never bothered using X11 will have no clue what to do, plus the performance is terrible (load times, etc).

We need a Mac-native version for it to get anywhere.
 
Page layout/Web Page Builder blend

I think you are right on. We don't have a good consumer web page builder. Tie that with .mac, and I think we have most of the answer about "Pages". However, I also think it will be a general page layout program/word processor. We don't have any consumer oriented newsletter/page layout type program at all on the mac. iPhoto doesn't even have squat for layout options for printing, so something along these lines fills a lot of holes, and is very applesque.

jakemikey said:
When I hear "Pages", I think of web "Pages" more than paper "Pages".

Seems like there was some rumor a while ago that Apple was working on some type of Fisher-Pricified version of Dreamweaver for consumers. After all, personal web pages are getting more consumer penetration, yet there still aren't a lot of "iLife-easy" design tools for consumer webpages (other than just using templates).

People might contend that Rapidweaver is such a product, but I've used it a bit (even bought it) and although it's cool, I've found that it lacks some pretty basic ease-of-use features. (Basically zero support for any kind of dynamic content with normal webservers).

Simple word processor functionality is trivial these days. A word processor really isn't rumor material in my book. That doesn't take years of development. Plus I doubt Apple wants to take on Office head to head. What might take some serious development time is a word processor integrated into an iLife-type web design suite that works well with non-techie users and also conforms to web standards, with some type of a built-in FTP client. Something like this would differentiate it enough from Word to avoid friction with MS and maintain MSs support and development of Office on Mac, which, no matter what anyone says, is a big deal. This would also provide consumers with usable word processing capabilities right out of the box, which would also be good for consumers.
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m a y a said:
Hah, only reason student like the eMac is because its the lowest price point Mac Desktop to date.

I never stated that it was under powered you seem to have drawn this conclusion on your own. And no if this screen-less Mac come to reality the eMac would look like a worse deal in reasons of price, and portability.

eMac important as in how, have you tried carrying 50lbs. I am sure when this new 499 Mac is released you will say eMac what?. 🙄

Apple can do without the screen as a low end model I am sure if school have problems with student poking a screen let them worry about it why does Apple have to worry about what screen they use as long as they are using they OS and Computing hardware who care, think about this new 499 Mac being able to be attached to a projector or a HDTV or some lcd TV in a common room, its has far more benefit than an eMac. 🙂

Sorry I was not the individual who brought the 499 Mac, post was a reply to another. 🙂
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Um, no. I asssume you're a student? I'm in administration at a college for the SUNY system, the college system is buying eMacs for classrooms to labs to drone machines at different libraries and other stations adding up to literally thousands of eMac purchased in volume through Apple. Thousands of computers adds to Apple's coffers and keeps Macs in at least this college system, without which, craptacular Dells would be everywhere, they're a stronghold. eMacs are convenient, highly affordable, and quite capable. NOT students buying the eMacs, we're talking entire colleges (i.e. business and organizations, not individuals). Maybe when you become an adult you'll get your head out of your youth fog and see the big picture. Until then, don't post what you don't know or speculate without thinking of more than yourself and your own situation. Try listening for a change, it's good for character building.
 
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