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why did MS buy VPC?

I wondered why MS bought VPC and I wonder about it again now...

-do they want to drop Office for Mac and ship future Office integrated in VPC only? It would be much cheaper for MS. Office doesn't require huge speed to run, so VPC should do the job nicely AND they could sell Windows to Mac Users.

I hope Apple will pay special attention to PDF integration too in iWorks
 
Ok. I can go with that. Though I do not see a siginficant advantage of Keynote here, nor did I had any problems with PowerPoint when it comes to alignement and so forth. But I DO appreciate PowerPoints features like direct image manipulation within PP, the good slide navigation while showing the presentation (something which is lacking in Keynote and renders it almost useless to me, due to the intense slide-hoping in the discussion) and in PP2004 the presenter tools.

Well all I say is that Keynote is a Version 1.0 and it is only of little use to me, in contrast to PowerPoint. Lets see what 2.0 can do.
 
Wuddel said:
Ok. I can go with that. Though I do not see a siginficant advantage of Keynote here, nor did I had any problems with PowerPoint when it comes to alignement and so forth. But I DO appreciate PowerPoints features like direct image manipulation within PP, the good slide navigation while showing the presentation (something which is lacking in Keynote and renders it almost useless to me, due to the intense slide-hoping in the discussion) and in PP2004 the presenter tools.

Well all I say is that Keynote is a Version 1.0 and it is only of little use to me, in contrast to PowerPoint. Lets see what 2.0 can do.

o.k., I understand... I do the image work with old old old Photoshop 3.0 on an 300Mhz G3, so have never thought of that...

and slide hopping is more or less impossible, you're right...

peace
vSpacken
 
Now I'm feeling inTune with Apple (more than ever). Another coup for Apple I hope, in terms of offering superior software and hardware.

Bring on whatever the new product will be. Somehow I think the "i" moniker will be abandoned for this one. Internet access is expected these days.

Don't know about paying for it though, how about a LARGE discount for loyal .Mac members. 3 years and counting with relatively little to show for $300 invested. Hint.

p.s.

Happy New Years everyone.

p.s.s.

I can hope that the higher Mhz requirement means significant abilities and not just a profit making move can't I? Intergrated Photoshop (animation and/or Quicktime, iPhoto, iDvd and iMovie), Keynote, iChat, iSync and Audioshop abilities?

k, think I've covered the even the most ridiculous requests by now. Bring it on MS fanboys.

p.s.s.s.

is anything unpossible on the computer medium? Mhz/Ghz allowing?
 
I still think that lower cost Apple Displays are only achievable with large volume sales. So hopefully this new stratergery succeeds, cause then it will become a possibility. Until then, there may not be enough reason to pay more for having an Apple insignia on your display. Unless/until prices are very close. IMO.

And even then, I hope that it is only done if Apples standard of quality can be maintained. Though thinking of displays as being used exclusively for computing seems a little limited, considering where consumer electronics are leading.
 
aldo said:
Oh god.

Gates could sell the stock off slowly, in say, $3bil chunks. After a year or so he'd have a good $30bil out and little impact on the share price.

As for your plain stupid comment on the other part, I'll explain it slowly for you.

1) Microsoft drops Apple's share price to half what it is now by pulling out from the platform. Apple is now worth around $15bil.
2) Microsoft buys 30% of the company, in 10% chunks. Price goes up about 10-25% time each time they do this, ending up costing them no more than $30bil.

Are you honestly trying to tell me a $300bil company couldn't buy out a $15-25bil one?

Oh dear, this is such a silly discussion..

Firstly, M$ would never be allowed to take over Apple because of anti-trust laws.

Secondly, if Bill Gates sold even $1billion of M$ stock, it would plummet. Investors would think 'What does he need $1b for? There must be some problems at M$..let's sell our stock'
Investors do not take kindly to co-founders who sell vast amounts of stocks, when they dont need the cash.

Thirdly, SJ would no let it happen. He is good friends with Larry Ellison (CEO, oracle) who is no 3 or four on the rich list. SJ has a hell of a lot of financial power - seeing as Apple has $6b in the bank, he owns Pixar and banks would fall at his feet to give him money. He would never let MS take over Apple.

Fourthly, deliberate actions to reduce a company's stock price before a purchase is illegal and against SEC rules. This would land Mr Gates in jail no matter how much money he has, or who he tries to bribe.

And lastly, MS shareholders wouldn't allow it. MS has so many technologies that are competing with Apple's - M$ would have to lay off the whole itunes team, and multiple other departments. Apple's value would plummet.

With $6billion in the bank and SJ at the top, nobody is going to think about taking over Apple.

Get real 'aldo'.

/asif
 
Given Microsofts propensity to take over competitors, I am sure that SJ (among others) has considered that possibility. There may be a reason why Apple keeps enough money on hand to buy shareholders out don't you think?

It maybe also why Microsoft sits upon a fortune that dwarves Apples. Other than to buy potential competitors.
 
Pages, not Office at all

I agree with some of the earlier posts here that IF Apple is bringing out a new app, it will not try to be Office or AW at all. It will look forward not backward. Certainly some of the functions of previous apps will be there but the implementation will be very different.

Office and AW are really just so analog, meant for creating documents you print and fax. Today, Apple is all about digital. Any document creating app would therefore surely look to do the same thing: create digital pages for a digital age. For me, this would mean an app that let you create pages to be viewed by computer, phone, ipod, OQO etc. Of course you could print such documents but the assumption would be that the primary medium for viewing would be digital.

This would mean instead of various apps, you would have a digital canvas, perhaps hence the name "Pages". This would be free form, allowing you to put anything on it: words, tables, images, music, video, etc. It would be rather like AW and so many other apps have been trying to do for ages but done elegantly, cleanly and fully, without barrier.

To achieve this, the canvas would simply call on all those neat services Apple has been adding to the OS for the last few years - and I think Apple has been working on implementing the building blocks for this app in a very deliberate way. Thus we would be able to write a box of text, wrap it around an image which linked to a video playing an AAC song etc. It would be "page layout for the digital age".

Being based on OS services, it would be easy for a) apple to add stuff later and b) easy for 3rd parties to add plug ins too.

As an app for the digital age, we would be able to save the canvas as pdf, web page (the app would automatically convert any images, video etc to web friendliness on saving and put them in a resources folder like freeway does), and word/excel (depending on content of course).

Likely all the above is not going to happen as I know nothing about programming so perhaps impossible, but I would still argue that if Apple does bring out a "successor" to AW, it will be nothing like an analog application of the past, which Office and AW so clearly are. Today's user needs and the OS itself do not require clunky Suites of apps - arguably they never did, the Office suite was surely dreamt up in the marketing and sales department.

Likely or not, wouldn't it be nice if we could just click open a blank digital canvas and start scribbling words, music, video all over it and then save and send by email, web and phone?

Just my 2 euros worth
 
Xtremehkr said:
I still think that lower cost Apple Displays are only achievable with large volume sales. So hopefully this new stratergery succeeds, cause then it will become a possibility. Until then, there may not be enough reason to pay more for having an Apple insignia on your display. Unless/until prices are very close. IMO.

And even then, I hope that it is only done if Apples standard of quality can be maintained. Though thinking of displays as being used exclusively for computing seems a little limited, considering where consumer electronics are leading.

For apple to have large volume sales they need their headless imac to sell in big numbers, hopefully it will sell and be a good machine
 
mcsmiley said:
I agree with some of the earlier posts here that IF Apple is bringing out a new app, it will not try to be Office or AW at all. It will look forward not backward. Certainly some of the functions of previous apps will be there but the implementation will be very different.

Likely or not, wouldn't it be nice if we could just click open a blank digital canvas and start scribbling words, music, video all over it and then save and send by email, web and phone?

Just my 2 euros worth

I like what you're thinking. It could be a possibility. I for one am hoping that Apple will release something revolutionary rather than evolutionary.

I still can't help but think either that with all those rumours flying about, we're bound to be disappointed come MWSF, surely we're not going to see all the rumoured products and apps. How nice it is to be able to speculate without being bound by the annoying constraints of reality! :)
 
munkle said:
I like what you're thinking. It could be a possibility. I for one am hoping that Apple will release something revolutionary rather than evolutionary.

I still can't help but think either that with all those rumours flying about, we're bound to be disappointed come MWSF, surely we're not going to see all the rumoured products and apps. How nice it is to be able to speculate without being bound by the annoying constraints of reality! :)

As you said that not all of the rumored products are going to be released but some of the just have too, because if not apple will be behind eg. the powerbook and the headless mac that people have been waiting for years for ! hope some of it comes :rolleyes:
 
The unfortunate reality is that Office still dominates the corporate world. I constantly get documents in Word/Excel/PowerPoint format. That is not going to change. Office for the Mac works reasonably well but it is expensive. It will be a huge deal if Apple has come up with a compatible set of applications that can read and write these files.

Also, imagine the combination of iWorks with the new $500 mac. This would be extremely attractive to corporations. The get away from the virus ridden windows environment which is killing them and they get all the software they need bundled with an inexpensive computer. It makes the prospect of switching much more attractive and realistic!
 
Let's pray for Latex...

Ok, here are my 2c.
Any Apple version of M$ Office is doomed to become a second rate copy, since it had to be compatible with M$ files. The only reason people are using M$ Word is because it's the standard. If you send a .doc file, you can almost be certain that everybody can read it. Nevertheless, Word has the typically M$ quality of telling you how your document should look like.
Consequently, what apple should do is to base their "word processor" on Latex. Unfortunately it would have to be able to read .doc files, but I dont see any problems if it saved the document as a pdf file.
First of all it would be very much "apple" (think different), secondly it would appeal greatly to the academic market where you NEED to write in Latex.
People might argue that there are sufficient alternatives today such as OzTex and such. But how user friendly are they really??? IMO we shouldn't have to type code when we are writing a paper
 
Wow, you just try to get rid of the alcohol in your bloodstream and boom there's 10 pages :D

If all of the rumors are true, this is going to be the biggest most awesome keynote ever.

Let me recap:

- iPod mini 5GB
- iPod flash
- Asteroid
- iMac mini
- iWorks(Pages, Keynote,...)
- iLife '05
- Tiger release date
- updated/new Powerbooks
- updated Powermacs

Judging by that it'll be hard to see the stream so many people will be trying to do so... :eek:
 
arnette said:
"Pages" sounds like a layout program to me. Like Framemaker or InDesign. It'd be silly for Apple to try and tackle MS Office. That suite has so much momentum that it'd be easier to move a planet than to gain significant marketshare.

But, then again, we ARE talking about Apple.

Hmm...good point about "Pages"...perhaps this means when one works on a "Page" there will be options for saving it in multiple different formats, including .doc or as a web page (.Mac integration, anyone??). So not only would this be an overhaul for AppleWorks word processor, but maybe the resurrection of Claris HomePage...all in one!
 
First of all, happy new year! I really really hope this is going to happen.. MS Office is ok, but there are so many things to be improved on it. I believe the people at apple could do that. For instance, the preferences are shattered all around the Office instead of one place. That's maybe what I hate most.

I keep my fingers crossed.
 
mcsmiley said:
I agree with some of the earlier posts here that IF Apple is bringing out a new app, it will not try to be Office or AW at all. It will look forward not backward. Certainly some of the functions of previous apps will be there but the implementation will be very different.

Office and AW are really just so analog, meant for creating documents you print and fax. Today, Apple is all about digital. Any document creating app would therefore surely look to do the same thing: create digital pages for a digital age. For me, this would mean an app that let you create pages to be viewed by computer, phone, ipod, OQO etc. Of course you could print such documents but the assumption would be that the primary medium for viewing would be digital.

This would mean instead of various apps, you would have a digital canvas, perhaps hence the name "Pages". This would be free form, allowing you to put anything on it: words, tables, images, music, video, etc. It would be rather like AW and so many other apps have been trying to do for ages but done elegantly, cleanly and fully, without barrier.

To achieve this, the canvas would simply call on all those neat services Apple has been adding to the OS for the last few years - and I think Apple has been working on implementing the building blocks for this app in a very deliberate way. Thus we would be able to write a box of text, wrap it around an image which linked to a video playing an AAC song etc. It would be "page layout for the digital age".

Being based on OS services, it would be easy for a) apple to add stuff later and b) easy for 3rd parties to add plug ins too.

As an app for the digital age, we would be able to save the canvas as pdf, web page (the app would automatically convert any images, video etc to web friendliness on saving and put them in a resources folder like freeway does), and word/excel (depending on content of course).

Likely all the above is not going to happen as I know nothing about programming so perhaps impossible, but I would still argue that if Apple does bring out a "successor" to AW, it will be nothing like an analog application of the past, which Office and AW so clearly are. Today's user needs and the OS itself do not require clunky Suites of apps - arguably they never did, the Office suite was surely dreamt up in the marketing and sales department.

Likely or not, wouldn't it be nice if we could just click open a blank digital canvas and start scribbling words, music, video all over it and then save and send by email, web and phone?

Just my 2 euros worth

OpenDoc anybody?
 
At the risk of reigniting yet another year-old debate that is wildly off-topic for this already splintered and mulitply off-topic thread...

~Shard~ said:
Keep in mind though that once, a long time ago in a galaxy far away, all of the iLife apps were free as well before Apple decided you should have to pay for them (all except iTunes of course.)
...all of the iLife apps were not free. iDVD always cost $49. With the introduction of iLife 04 the formerly free apps iTunes, iPhoto, and iMovie were bundled with iDVD and the brand-new GarageBand for the all-inclusive price of $49...the previous price of iDVD alone. Argue until the end of time, but this was (and is still) an awesome deal.

Nonetheless, hopefully this type of move will not be repeated with the integration of Mail, iCal, Address Book, and/or Safari(!) into a paid-only bundle with the new iWork (if for no other reason than eliminating the need for a 37-page MacRumors thread debating the issue :D). Think about it though...the timing is right, with Tiger looming around the corner. Instead of including all these apps as part of the OS, they now become part of iWork...$129 (or whatever) to purchase, or included "free" on all new Macs, just like iLife.

Great for the switcher, or the purchaser of the new machine, who would obviously need all these apps to get started. Not so great for the established customer, who has all of the perfectly good, older, free versions but wants the latest and greatest. Of course, I'd buy it the instant it was announced. :rolleyes:
 
Like GobeProductive?

Someone mentioned that Apple bought off some Gobe engineers. Gobe is a company that creates an office suite called GobeProductive. The founders of Gobe, were developers of ClarisWorks I believe. So it could be, that iWorks will have some of the same features as GobeProductive:
1) Fast and simple
2) The applications are tightly integrated, and work seamlessly together
3) Basic vector/image manipulation tool
4) Project concept. You don't create a separate spreadsheet, text, illustration file. You create one document, that contains different sheets. Each of those sheets can contain a text or a spreadsheet,...

Note, that this suite already exists for Windows, yet MS Office isn't dead or has even felt a dent in its market share because of it. I don't see how it would kill of MS Office. Gobe is more a competition to MS Works, than to MS Office. And you can hardly call MS Works competition to MS Office.

From "A brief history of claris works" at http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bob/clarisworks.php#whither


At times over the past few years, there have been rumors and speculation that Apple was working with / had reacquired Gobe and / or the original ClarisWorks team, to produce a new Mac version of AppleWorks based on Gobe Productive. Apple and Gobe did indeed discuss possibilities at various points in Gobe's history; however, I am not at liberty to go into details. Apple did not in the end acquire Gobe as such, but three of its founders, Scott Holdaway, Scott Lindsey, and Carl Grice, did rejoin Apple as employees when Gobe failed. They won't tell me what they are up to (even off the record!), but whatever it is, it does not involve the Gobe Productive codebase. Nor, I am reasonably sure, does it involve the ClarisWorks / AppleWorks codebase.
 
blybug said:
...all of the iLife apps were not free. iDVD always cost $49. With the introduction of iLife 04 the formerly free apps iTunes, iPhoto, and iMovie were bundled with iDVD and the brand-new GarageBand for the all-inclusive price of $49...the previous price of iDVD alone. Argue until the end of time, but this was (and is still) an awesome deal.

Hmm, okay that's news to me - I received iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD all for free pre-loaded when I bought my iMac and knew I could download upgrades at the time for (presumably) each, so I just assumed they were all free in that respect. Thanks for the clarification then.

Oh, and I never once was arguing that it isn't a great deal - I definitely think it is!
 
What will Pages be?

I think that apple is going to redifine what a productivity suite is. Instead of a different app for wp and ss and db I think that apple is going to use Pages as an all encompassing app. You can create spreadsheets, databases and word processing documents all the fly all integrated together. Make it very PDF friendly to eliminate the need for acrobat for most users. I don't know what this will look like but if anyone can do it apple can.
 
~Shard~ said:
Hmm, okay that's news to me - I received iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD all for free pre-loaded when I bought my iMac and knew I could download upgrades at the time for (presumably) each, so I just assumed they were all free in that respect. Thanks for the clarification then.

Oh, and I never once was arguing that it isn't a great deal - I definitely think it is!
I guess you must have gotten your iMac after the announcement of iLife 04 and the new pricing scheme, which ignited and [URL=https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/53980/[/URL] almost 1 year ago. So glad that you appreciate the excellent value of this software suite! The free downloadable upgrades are generally for minor fixes (ie 4.0-->4.1) but don't expect iLife 05 to be a freebie if you're going to want that.

Though it would be a great value as well, I'm still hoping there is not a repeat with the rumored iWork and some of our current favorite "free" apps like Mail and iCal after this year's Stevenote. But the more I think about it... :(
 
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