Thataboy said:
I totally agree. It would be a great name, or even the iWrite name; i like that too.
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I totally agree. It would be a great name, or even the iWrite name; i like that too.
iLife... iWork...
I see a pattern here. Nouns about our basic activities.
iWork could be interpreted as a verb form, as in "I work efficiently when I use a Mac" as opposed to noun form "I get more work done using a Mac", but I assume it is the noun form because iLife is the noun form, as in "My Mac makes my life easier". If it was the verb form, it would be named iLive, as in "I can't live without my Mac".
So how soon before Apple gives us iStudy and iPlay to go with them?
Apple isn't consistent about singulars and plurals. iPhoto manages 1 or more photos. iMovie handles 1 or more movies. iTunes manages 1 or more tunes. Should it have been iTune? Keynote can help you or Steve Jobs give 1 or more keynote speeches. Pages (plural) grew out of Document (singular). Which would make more sense - Page or Pages?
I see a pattern here. Nouns about our basic activities.
iWork could be interpreted as a verb form, as in "I work efficiently when I use a Mac" as opposed to noun form "I get more work done using a Mac", but I assume it is the noun form because iLife is the noun form, as in "My Mac makes my life easier". If it was the verb form, it would be named iLive, as in "I can't live without my Mac".
So how soon before Apple gives us iStudy and iPlay to go with them?
Apple isn't consistent about singulars and plurals. iPhoto manages 1 or more photos. iMovie handles 1 or more movies. iTunes manages 1 or more tunes. Should it have been iTune? Keynote can help you or Steve Jobs give 1 or more keynote speeches. Pages (plural) grew out of Document (singular). Which would make more sense - Page or Pages?
joeswinehart said:
I still use Claris HomePage, too.
I've often wondered why Apple didn't port it to OSX.
If you just want to make a simple web page without all the fancy stuff in Dreamweaver and GoLive, it does the job. The site maintenance tools are easy, too.
Maybe they could bundle it with the .Mac HomePage tool.
Rumor Machine!!!???
Has anyone else noticed on the mac rumor sites that there seems to be a WHOLE lot more info being reported than previous expos? Seems to me that someone in apple is trying to poison the water of the rumor mills???? I have been tightly watching apple do its thing for over 12 years... Either we have totally blown the suprises or like I said, Apple is laughing at us.. ONCE AGAIN!
However, I do usually find that software tends to be about the most accurate predictions...
Has anyone else noticed on the mac rumor sites that there seems to be a WHOLE lot more info being reported than previous expos? Seems to me that someone in apple is trying to poison the water of the rumor mills???? I have been tightly watching apple do its thing for over 12 years... Either we have totally blown the suprises or like I said, Apple is laughing at us.. ONCE AGAIN!
However, I do usually find that software tends to be about the most accurate predictions...
urbangrind said:
It's a lie, and easy to prove to your friends otherwise:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=AAPL
But you can go to any public financial information site for info like.
I hope and pray Apple comes out with a professional grade word processor. Designed by Apple and made for professional writers and people who do light page layout.
Excel is a solid app--probably Microsoft's best. We have Filemaker and (hopefully) Keynote 2.
But we are stuck with word. Terrible printing and a UI that is confusing as hell. A professional grade word processor would have me jumping in the aisle.
If this is just an update to AppleWorks, I will be happy for Apple, but could personally care less.
Excel is a solid app--probably Microsoft's best. We have Filemaker and (hopefully) Keynote 2.
But we are stuck with word. Terrible printing and a UI that is confusing as hell. A professional grade word processor would have me jumping in the aisle.
If this is just an update to AppleWorks, I will be happy for Apple, but could personally care less.
iwork? pages?
iWork? Ok, so now we have... iPod, iBook, iCal, iTunes, iLife, iMac, iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie... i-Anything is sooo tired. Its already past being a cliche.
And Pages just plain sucks as a name. Doesn't roll off the tongue at all. If anything, people will just end up saying Page. If it actually is named Pages, it'll go up there with Tourag as one of the worst product names ever.
iWork? Ok, so now we have... iPod, iBook, iCal, iTunes, iLife, iMac, iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie... i-Anything is sooo tired. Its already past being a cliche.
And Pages just plain sucks as a name. Doesn't roll off the tongue at all. If anything, people will just end up saying Page. If it actually is named Pages, it'll go up there with Tourag as one of the worst product names ever.
Regarding the concern that Apple is pinching out the development community, there is a history lesson that needs to be remembered.
Back at WWDC 1997 when I worked at Apple from NeXT Steve and Avie reminded everyone that Carbon was a transitional API that was a compromise to Macromedia, Adobe, Microsoft, etc., to be given time to transition their applications to Cocoa, if they wanted to develop indefinitely on the Macintosh Platform.
Seven Years later and this promise is being implemented by Apple. Apple is leveraging its Frameworks to make the Mac Platforms world class.
If a Development Company refuses to not learn Cocoa they have had seven years to make that decision.
Time is up. Apple needs to be viable and thrive. Developing world class applications using their own technologies is the only intelligent solution.
Back at WWDC 1997 when I worked at Apple from NeXT Steve and Avie reminded everyone that Carbon was a transitional API that was a compromise to Macromedia, Adobe, Microsoft, etc., to be given time to transition their applications to Cocoa, if they wanted to develop indefinitely on the Macintosh Platform.
Seven Years later and this promise is being implemented by Apple. Apple is leveraging its Frameworks to make the Mac Platforms world class.
If a Development Company refuses to not learn Cocoa they have had seven years to make that decision.
Time is up. Apple needs to be viable and thrive. Developing world class applications using their own technologies is the only intelligent solution.
Yes I look forward to seeing word processing apps written natively in Cocoa. But I heard it's a much harder language to write for. Im waiting for Bitvice to go native Cocoa but the developer's have taken over 2 years.
BWhaler said:
Heck, they don't even own a notable FRACTION of Apple!
Anyway, I have no idea where the 'Microsoft owns half of Apple' idea comes from.
The most they ever owned was $150 million of NON-VOTING stock (in a 4 billion $ company). Thats a tiny fraction compared to other stockholders. IIRC it was at the time around 3% of the company?
So MS owned less than a 30th of the company, a non-voting portion at that (meaning they had no say over what Apple did).
So where this idea came from...I dunno. But it's an obvious lie.
Am I the only
Am I the only one in here that has switched to Mellel, Bookends, and Keynote? I'm a grad student and had a nightmare of a time with word and endnote so I found these other apps. Unfortunately, I am still stuck with excel. I think apple could make a pretty sweet 1.0 office suite by just picking from everything that is already out there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Oh and I need RTF support and how about compatability with word version comments, changes, etc.
Am I the only one in here that has switched to Mellel, Bookends, and Keynote? I'm a grad student and had a nightmare of a time with word and endnote so I found these other apps. Unfortunately, I am still stuck with excel. I think apple could make a pretty sweet 1.0 office suite by just picking from everything that is already out there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Oh and I need RTF support and how about compatability with word version comments, changes, etc.
Littleodie914 said:Hmm... Sounds good! Hope Apple isn't shooting themselves in the foot by taking on easily the largest production suite in the world!
Edit: I know I'll buy it though!
Apple would need to innovate out of their wazoos. Perhaps text autocomplete? scratch that. bad idea.
Not to be negative, but everything seems too good to be true. I'm afraid we're all going to be all worked up about nothing and Steve goes up there and spends his entire keynote talking about growth statistics of the iPod... and everyone waits for the "and one more thing"... and it never comes... Though if it all does happen it'd be awesome.
mms said:
A bunch of us from a local MUG were just talking about this over brews. What if even the crickets are asleep at this one. Jobs goes on and on about how "insanely great" the iPod is doing, goes over iPod sales number, over download numbers. Does some semi-rigged bakeoff between the G5 2.5 and a peecee like the old days. A bunch of musicians come on to talk about GarageBand. Then, for "just one more thing" he introduces (drumroll) ... "the 80 GB iPod photo!" and he gets hailed in a bombardment of tomatoes.
isn't a clarification needed???!?
being a frequent reader, i felt that i should enter the fray on the "impending release/annonucement" of apple's productivity suite. the system requirements state "500 mhz" cpu...but what flavor...g3, g4, or g5???!?!?
if this has been addressed in this thread, i apologize.
being a frequent reader, i felt that i should enter the fray on the "impending release/annonucement" of apple's productivity suite. the system requirements state "500 mhz" cpu...but what flavor...g3, g4, or g5???!?!?
if this has been addressed in this thread, i apologize.
Sir_Giggles said:
Whooooa. Cocoa is way easier than Carbon. Objective-C might catch experienced C/C++ developers by surprise, and the language certainly has depth that takes a while to learn, but the Cocoa API itself is amazingly simple. The only reason that large companies have dragged their feet is that porting from Carbon to Cocoa is basically a complete rewrite.
But it is about time that every app running is Cocoa. It's so much more elegant. So much more productive for developers.
GFLPraxis said:
It's a corruption of "Microsoft owes half of its success to Apple", ("R&D South").
My hopes...
What iWork should offer:
* A decent word processor that's easy to use, not overly complicated/bloated, and a badly-needed step up from AppleWorks.
* Good basic MS Word file compatibility. (Frankly, both AppleWorks and Panther TextEdit already have enough Word compatibility for me... and Tiger TextEdit is even better, with tables etc.)
* Non-WP stuff would be nice too, but less important. Spreadsheet would be my first request, then Keynote 2. Simple paint program? Structured drawing? Database? Sure, why not... AppleWorks does all that... but I don't need 'em
What iWork should NOT be:
* A full Office replacement. Who needs that (yet)? Office already exists, the Mac version is often reviewed as better than the Win version, and Office is what people know about and trust, however blindly. Plus, Apple doesn't need to alienate MS's Mac BU, which actually does some good work.
* Bloated and complex, with everything but the kitchen sink! It should be for everday users writng letters, proposals, and school papers--NOT a top-end super-sophisticated app for people who currently need everything Office has.
In other words, iWork should be like iMovie or Final Cut Express... not like Final Cut Pro. Leave that to Office (and open-source Office clones).
IF Office were ever cancelled, then Apple should get ready to step up with a new iWork or iWork Pro. But I would NOT expect iWork to = Office unless that day comes.
What iWork should offer:
* A decent word processor that's easy to use, not overly complicated/bloated, and a badly-needed step up from AppleWorks.
* Good basic MS Word file compatibility. (Frankly, both AppleWorks and Panther TextEdit already have enough Word compatibility for me... and Tiger TextEdit is even better, with tables etc.)
* Non-WP stuff would be nice too, but less important. Spreadsheet would be my first request, then Keynote 2. Simple paint program? Structured drawing? Database? Sure, why not... AppleWorks does all that... but I don't need 'em
What iWork should NOT be:
* A full Office replacement. Who needs that (yet)? Office already exists, the Mac version is often reviewed as better than the Win version, and Office is what people know about and trust, however blindly. Plus, Apple doesn't need to alienate MS's Mac BU, which actually does some good work.
* Bloated and complex, with everything but the kitchen sink! It should be for everday users writng letters, proposals, and school papers--NOT a top-end super-sophisticated app for people who currently need everything Office has.
In other words, iWork should be like iMovie or Final Cut Express... not like Final Cut Pro. Leave that to Office (and open-source Office clones).
IF Office were ever cancelled, then Apple should get ready to step up with a new iWork or iWork Pro. But I would NOT expect iWork to = Office unless that day comes.