iWork '05 Productivity Suite?

[jsalzer]

Mo Money

As other people have responded to this before me, they pointed out your flaws. In your original post that I responded to, you said that MS makes more money off of Mac people than their own.

As stated, even by you here, this can be read two ways. I, for one, knew exactly what he meant, despite the fact that his wording didn't clarify "per user." Why continue to argue the other interpretation that you now know he *didn't* mean?

The fact that Microsoft makes a better net profit per Mac user than per Windows user was acknowledged (by Jobs, Gates, or someone at the MacBU - I don't remember) quite a while back. And it makes sense.

You can't just look at gross sales. Windows has a much higher production cost associated with it than does Office, and the OS continues to be updated several years after newer OS's are released. Not to mention that most Windows users get their OS bundled with the computer, for which MS makes far less than they would on a retail version.

Microsoft is a software company. They started selling Word, Excel, and other Mac Apps long before Windows became the standard. Selling DOS and its variations has been profitable. Selling Office, Media, and other apps to a world where everyone owns a Mac would be profitable, too.

The only thing that might cause MS to want to squash the Mac platform is if they can't make any competitive software applications for it. But, they're smart. Even if all Mac users abandon Office for iWork (which won't happen), they'll come up with new software to sell.

 

[u2mr2os2]

Trademarks

iWrite is taken (see here http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/business_finance/iwork.html ) by some shareware group, BUT Apple already has a trademark on the iWork name so could technically use it without ripping off anyone.

Another interesting fact is that there's also a program out there for Windows called iCal: http://www.brownbearsw.com/ical/icalpage.html. I'm not sure who owns that name first or what deal, if any, they have with Apple.

 

[MacSA]

This would be good as I just use TextEdit. Microsoft Office is too expensive. Although I like the fact TextEdit can read Word Documents...

It will probably be less than $149. Most likely $99.

I would certainly purchase it...

TextEdit seems to have undergone some major revisions in OS X Tiger, here's a screenshot with all windows open from macosxromors:

http://alexandros.roussos.free.fr/macosxrumors/images/20041101c/textedit.jpg

http://www.macosxrumors.com/article...it-parental-controls-windows-sharing-options/

 

[iPost]

I don't like that name 'Pages' for a Wordprocessor. MacPress or MacPage sounds like better names.

The word processor will mostly be called iWrite. I believe Apple trademarked that name last year.

 

[Poff]

Try this. open firefox and type: file:///c:/ not as pretty but same basic function so I guess firefox is tied to my system and is a huge security risk now?

no no no.. Firefox stays Firefox, IE mystically turns into the same kind of windows that you browse your drive with when you double-click "my computer" on the desktop. The two different things are/is the same program. Great for the user experience, lousy for security.

 

[savar]

Oh, and bring back Claris Home Page!

Gosh, I'm glad I'm not the only one. CHP was a ridiculously good program...so simple and yet so thorough (at the time). And it was real cheap too... I used it for years after it was discontinued. If they revamped it with support for CSS and DHTML that would be amazing.

 

[GFLPraxis]

Try this. open firefox and type: file:///c:/ not as pretty but same basic function so I guess firefox is tied to my system and is a huge security risk now?

Except that Explorer.exe literally BECOMES Internet explorer, rather than just displaying files.

 

[mrgreen4242]

Refurbed Macs?

Will refurbed iMacs come with iLife '05 and this new iWork? Or will they still come with '04 and AppleWorks? There's a $100 difference between a refurb and edu discount, so it'd be worth it, to me, to get a new model with edu pricing if the refurb didn't have iLife '05 and iWork... assuming they are both released at MWSF.

Rob

 

[animefan_1]

Will refurbed iMacs come with iLife '05 and this new iWork? Or will they still come with '04 and AppleWorks? There's a $100 difference between a refurb and edu discount, so it'd be worth it, to me, to get a new model with edu pricing if the refurb didn't have iLife '05 and iWork... assuming they are both released at MWSF.

Rob

I don't think Apple updates the software bundle on refurbed Macs. What the system originally shipped with is what you'll likely get.

 

[AidenShaw]

it's really not that way

Except that Explorer.exe literally BECOMES Internet explorer, rather than just displaying files.

It's just a matter of Explorer using the Windows "web kit" to display HTML-formatted content in sub-windows - just like Panther's mail displays HTML-formatted mail using the same "web kit" that Safari uses to display web pages.

Simple reusable object programming - 'this window is an "html object", interpret it as such'.

 

[Damek]

Except that Explorer.exe literally BECOMES Internet explorer, rather than just displaying files.

This is deceptive, if not wrong. Look at Konqueror in KDE. It does files, web browsing, etc. There's nothing wrong with having one program do all that.

The problem would be if the KDE team got some of that code placed directly into the kernel of the Operating System just to make it faster. That's what Microsoft did. That's what makes it insecure. That's why they have kernel patches just to fix IE vulnerabilities. The two should be separate.

 

[Porchland]

It ... needs to ... save things readable to office (and read office documents).

This was the first thing I thought about when I saw the rumor of an Apple office suite was compatibility with .doc and even .wpd files. I'm sure Apple has this on its radar, but it sets up a difficult irony to overcome:

Apple's AAC audio format is every bit as proprietary as Microsoft's .doc file format.

 

[mrgreen4242]

I don't think Apple updates the software bundle on refurbed Macs. What the system originally shipped with is what you'll likely get.

Alas, that is kind of what I figured. Well, if iLife '05 and this iWorks program are both announced at MWSF I guess I will have to head down to the Apple store and get my iMac there... at least it will be faster than waiting for the 1-2 weeks for a refurbed unit to get shipped to me...

Thanks,
Rob

 

[AidenShaw]

whoa' there, pardner!

The problem would be if the KDE team got some of that code placed directly into the kernel of the Operating System just to make it faster. That's what Microsoft did. That's what makes it insecure. That's why they have kernel patches just to fix IE vulnerabilities. The two should be separate.

This is just wrong, wrong, wrong. The IE "web kit" is not in the NT kernel, the NT kernel is a small micro-kernel-like image. Maybe you've just made a terminology mistake, and meant something else.

Many of the serious IE vulnerabilities have come from ActiveX controls - plugins that execute user-mode-code from web pages.

This allows for some very powerful browser-based applications - but unfortunately the security implications weren't completely tied down, particularly in light of today's malevolent internet.

 

[Sir_Giggles]

The word processor will mostly be called iWrite. I believe Apple trademarked that name last year.

iScribe or ProPages work for me.

 

[Blackheart]

As stated, even by you here, this can be read two ways. I, for one, knew exactly what he meant, despite the fact that his wording didn't clarify "per user." Why continue to argue the other interpretation that you now know he *didn't* mean?

And I love how people just jump in and assume what I'm thinking...

 

[Thataboy]

Whoever suggested the name "Thesis" instead of Pages deserves a cookie, $100, and a couple free hours with a professional "masseuse."

Totally awesome idea. Apple Thesis!

 

[Sir_Giggles]

How about iEssays, or iStatements, iDessertations, iSentence, iQuotations, iScribbles, iCalligraphy, iProposition, iExpress, iAuthor, iPenning, iEditorial, iImprint, iLegible, iReports, iDossier, iCompose or iPublish

 

[GFLPraxis]

Whoever suggested the name "Thesis" instead of Pages deserves a cookie, $100, and a couple free hours with a professional "masseuse."

Totally awesome idea. Apple Thesis!

Heck, they deserve to be hired by Apple Marketing.

 

[Sir_Giggles]

and a couple free hours with a professional "masseuse."

hmm...

 

[Doctor Q]

How about iEssays, or iStatements, iDessertations, iSentence, iQuotations, iScribbles, iCalligraphy, iProposition, iExpress, iAuthor, iPenning, iEditorial, iImprint, iLegible, iReports, iDossier, iCompose or iPublish

You've been using the side product: iThesaurus!

 

[Snowy_River]

How about ... iLegible ...

Uh... that one's a little close to "illegible", don't you think? And I don't think people would be too keen on getting a word processing program that was named "illegible", do you?

 

[Sir_Giggles]

Uh... that one's a little close to "illegible", don't you think? And I don't think people would be too keen on getting a word processing program that was named "illegible", do you?

Only snobby elitists would love that name.

 

[chameeeleon]

iLegible is ASKING to be attacked by Paul Thurrott. I personally think Thesis is the perfect name to complement Keynote - it sounds official and yet approachable.

 

[BWhaler]

I love apple products and all, but I need some space. this is farking stupid. Apple seems to just want to stamp out every third party developer possible. its like they want using a mac to be like disney world. "oh its raining? have a disney pancho!," "need to buy something? trade your american dollars for disney dollars!" "sit in the disney chair" "dring from the disney mug" "sick of disney branded stuff? live in celebration!"

they're ripping off konfabulator, buying emagic and stealing mariner's market and as much as we hate them they chased away IE and netscape! now if you use 3rd party software your a outofthebox user(no pun intended) and all those registered "developers" jobs talks about are just people writing mods for apple software. theres like 400 dock mod apps and 2billion itunes add ons.

dont get me wrong I love the iapps but I feel like apple is letting its brand infringe on the integrity of its products. (I know thats the point of a brand but branding is evil read naomi kliens nologo.)

its nice that apple is making headway but dont forget what happens when you need to much control.(UM MICROSOFT?!) (yes that is a conservative statement after a citation of a far leftist book.)

what the solution is? I dont know. but its apple, if they wanted to be good about it they could. instead they branding themselves to highhell and slowly closing us in. I'm sick of all the things that apple either passes themselves off as innovating or things that they pass as innovative.

that all said, macs rock. but its just getting scary.
-matt

Relax. It's nothing like you just said. Nothing.