Thataboy said:
That is an excellent point. Also hook it up to your TV and play Mac games like Unreal 2004. Plus you have distributed computing that is free with Tiger including Xcode that supports distributed builds today.
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That is an excellent point. Also hook it up to your TV and play Mac games like Unreal 2004. Plus you have distributed computing that is free with Tiger including Xcode that supports distributed builds today.
Stella said:
No. OpenOffice is a horrible app. I use Linux a lot, and I hate OpenOffice. It's clunky, buggy, unpolished and totally bloated. Maybe they can pull something out of it, but I doubt it.
Did Apple bought any companies that make office-like software since introducing OS X?
Maybe this could be a confirmation of the intentions.
Maybe this could be a confirmation of the intentions.
aldo said:I agree, but what about those who have splashed $2000+ on a powermac (aka fools)? They are not going to be sold up.
Maybe they'll include it with Tiger?
this sounds stereotypical, and i've heard it before, but here it goes anyway.
Most people who spend $2000 + on a powermac aren't going to have a problem throwing down $150 for an office suite. They're likely either using the powermac for business (in which case they're probably migrating from MS office) or they're just well enough off to be able to afford a sweet sweet system
There will always be people who fall in between these stereotypes, and I feel sorry for em, but apple is trying to make money and i doubt they're worried about them.
"Pages" sounds like a layout program to me. Like Framemaker or InDesign. It'd be silly for Apple to try and tackle MS Office. That suite has so much momentum that it'd be easier to move a planet than to gain significant marketshare.
But, then again, we ARE talking about Apple.
But, then again, we ARE talking about Apple.
iWork will need to be comparable to and compatible with Microsoft Office. There has to be little to no learning curve. If you want all of those business users switching, make it seamless. And make it cheap for us, regular Mac users And, if they can make it cheaper than MS Office, we have a winner. And if by some horrible chance the $499-Mac and iWork fail, Apple can always port it to Windows and grab their market in the office productivity.
Microsoft, your turf is under attack!
I hope Apple stocked up on a lot of G4 processors to do such an undertaking. 2005 is looking good...
And, if they can make it cheaper than MS Office, we have a winner. And if by some horrible chance the $499-Mac and iWork fail, Apple can always port it to Windows and grab their market in the office productivity. Microsoft, your turf is under attack!
I hope Apple stocked up on a lot of G4 processors to do such an undertaking. 2005 is looking good...
ok its gone to far
I love apple products and all, but I need some space. this is farking stupid. Apple seems to just want to stamp out every third party developer possible. its like they want using a mac to be like disney world. "oh its raining? have a disney pancho!," "need to buy something? trade your american dollars for disney dollars!" "sit in the disney chair" "dring from the disney mug" "sick of disney branded stuff? live in celebration!"
they're ripping off konfabulator, buying emagic and stealing mariner's market and as much as we hate them they chased away IE and netscape! now if you use 3rd party software your a outofthebox user(no pun intended) and all those registered "developers" jobs talks about are just people writing mods for apple software. theres like 400 dock mod apps and 2billion itunes add ons.
dont get me wrong I love the iapps but I feel like apple is letting its brand infringe on the integrity of its products. (I know thats the point of a brand but branding is evil read naomi kliens nologo.)
its nice that apple is making headway but dont forget what happens when you need to much control.(UM MICROSOFT?!) (yes that is a conservative statement after a citation of a far leftist book.)
what the solution is? I dont know. but its apple, if they wanted to be good about it they could. instead they branding themselves to highhell and slowly closing us in. I'm sick of all the things that apple either passes themselves off as innovating or things that they pass as innovative.
that all said, macs rock. but its just getting scary.
-matt
I love apple products and all, but I need some space. this is farking stupid. Apple seems to just want to stamp out every third party developer possible. its like they want using a mac to be like disney world. "oh its raining? have a disney pancho!," "need to buy something? trade your american dollars for disney dollars!" "sit in the disney chair" "dring from the disney mug" "sick of disney branded stuff? live in celebration!"
they're ripping off konfabulator, buying emagic and stealing mariner's market and as much as we hate them they chased away IE and netscape! now if you use 3rd party software your a outofthebox user(no pun intended) and all those registered "developers" jobs talks about are just people writing mods for apple software. theres like 400 dock mod apps and 2billion itunes add ons.
dont get me wrong I love the iapps but I feel like apple is letting its brand infringe on the integrity of its products. (I know thats the point of a brand but branding is evil read naomi kliens nologo.)
its nice that apple is making headway but dont forget what happens when you need to much control.(UM MICROSOFT?!) (yes that is a conservative statement after a citation of a far leftist book.)
what the solution is? I dont know. but its apple, if they wanted to be good about it they could. instead they branding themselves to highhell and slowly closing us in. I'm sick of all the things that apple either passes themselves off as innovating or things that they pass as innovative.
that all said, macs rock. but its just getting scary.
-matt
BornAgainMac said:
I think we are starting to get ahead of ourselves here. So much so, that I'm starting to doubt the existance of this cheapMac.
We are going to be getting apparently:
-1.25GHz CPU
-256MB RAM
-40/80GB HDD
-9200 graphics (or similar) WITH DVI, VGA and [seemingly] TV Out
-Free shipping from Asia (which isn't going to be cheap)
-iLife
-Tiger
-iWorks
-Keyboard + Mouse (because most PC users will have PS/2 Mice and Keyboard, and therefore will need new ones)
All for $500? I don't think so.
aldo said:
I understand and appreciate a healthy skepticism, but it's totally plausible.
Think about it... you can get a comparable eMac for $799. Take out the price of the monitor. iLife, Panther, and Appleworks come with consumer Macs as it stands. Also remember that ThinkSecret says sub-500 while AppleInsider says sub-600. If Apple is being aggressive, $499 is totally reasonable (though if I had to wager money, I'd put it on $599).
puuukeey said:
I totally agree. I would never, ever develop for the Mac platform (I only do web programming). I feel so sorry when you see the same endless ripoff of Apple's product pages, with some tiny developer selling a volume resizing tool for $70 (yes, that's how bad it's got, someone reimplementing a command line tool and charging $70 for the interface) or similar.
Apple is not a good platform to develop for unless you are a billion dollar revenue corp like Adobe or Microsoft.
puuukeey said:
Apple is not going after big office suites with iWork, judging from the description. It is just an evolution of AppleWorks. In this day and age (hell, in 1995's day and age), any computer should ship with basic office needs. Businesses and power users can choose MS Office.
Apple wants the average consumer to have all of his needs taken care of RIGHT out of the box. This philosophy requires a Works package. If the person wants to upgrade to pro-level stuff, he can seek third-party solutions.
Frankly, there is no good Works package for the Mac right now. I respectfully scoff at Mariner, Abi, Neo, Open, Nisus, etc. If any of them were any decent, they would have taken off by now.
iWork, if it turns out to be real, is a fantastic (and probably long overdue!) addition to the Apple family.
puuukeey said:
Give me a break.
If Apple can develop better programs then those developed by third-parties, I welcome it.
I'm not going to use crappy software so third-party developers have jobs. If they want my business, they'll develop software that's better then Apple's.
If True: one wish
If iWork is true I would wish that Pages had native support for TeX/LaTeX. That would launch it into the professional technical publishing houses immediately.
If iWork is true I would wish that Pages had native support for TeX/LaTeX. That would launch it into the professional technical publishing houses immediately.
Thataboy said:
Yes, but the eMac is 'ugly' and has a stupid monitor integrated. Most people are going to look at it and go 'pah, CRT.. 5 year old technology' (I use CRTs still though - but most people when shopping for a new computer will not buy anything with a CRT built in).
Let's face it, the eMac is for basically education use. It has some hobbyist usage aswell, but it's never going to be mega-mass market. It is also good for people to price off when buying a comp from Apple and get upsold from.
I think Keynote and Pages will have required some fairly significant R&D work.
The thing that makes me most skeptical is the fact, let's face it, Apple sucks hard at logistics. Dell can get away with selling $500 computers because they use all their old inventory in it.
I really, really hope this is going to be $500 (I think $600 is just over the impulse-computer-buy mark). I'd certainly get it.
If all those rumours are true, MWSF is going to be the event of the year in the whole wide computer world
Well Apple did hire key architects who worked for Lighthouse Design that created Concurrence->Keynote along with WriteUp and several other applications that are part of the Lighthouse Design Suite.
aldo said:
animefan_1 said:
Ummm... How is this different from Windows?
IE is a wrapper that uses the embedded HTML rendering framework, which is also used by many other components (and third parties).
One of the debates during the MS trial was whether removing "iexplore.exe" was sufficient, or whether *all* the pieces of the framework had to be removed.
Remember when the judge deleted the IE icon from his desktop, and declared that he'd removed IE from his system?
aldo said:
I know, my point was that, if Apple can sell 1.25 G4, 256MB RAM, 40GB hard drive in an eMac for $799, then they can sell those specs without the CRT for $499 or $599. I presume that the eMac CRT doesn't cost them $300... but if Apple is being aggressive, I can see them eating the R&D costs (thanks to huge iPod profits), and reducing the profit margins to get down to $499. The strategy behind a cheapMac can't be huge profit margins... it has to be either profit-by-volume or market infiltration to take advantage of the iPod halo.
I agree that $499 hits a sweet spot that $599 just doesn't.
I guess we'll see in a couple weeks!
like konfabulator? or how bout dragthing? what about logic? no microsoft?http://www.proteron.com/liteswitchx/. http://www.moodlogic.com/ and then when someone like realnetworks makes somethingCOMPATABLE with an apple product they get angry. 5 years ago we would have been begging for that. I'm not saying dont put out software. but theres something not right.