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iWork 2013 sucks, big time

I can't believe it took me 5 minutes to figure out how to center some data that I had in Numbers, and to even edit the text. These are obvious options that should be in the toolbar, not hidden away in the menu bar.

The reply box here, on the MacRumors forums, has more options on its toolbar than Numbers and Pages. Haven't really tried Keynote yet.

Also, does Numbers '13 even have a formula bar? Can't seem to locate it.

The new iWorks make it seem like it belongs in a high-powered iPad, like an iPad Pro, or something. The UI is ripped right from a touch-interface.

Doesn't seem like it belongs in the desktop.
 
Not really a good counter to tablets that come with Office for free. Office is already a lot better than iWork to begin with but to gut a lot of the features is pretty darn ridiculous. Apple is really the embodiment of you get what you pay for.
 
Am I the only person no longer able to use my infra-red Apple remote to control Keynote '09?

The remote still adjusts the volume on my MBP and, to my distress, controls the new Keynote fine. Does anyone know how to restore Keynote '09 back to its infra-red-friendly functionality on Mavericks, as the new Keynote is no use to me for most of my existing documents and a pain to edit in with its shifting controls.
 
Lolito said:
is Openoffice worthy? i installed a couple time, bt i ended up always prefering microsoft office better. i guess i should give it another try...

openoffice or libre office? which one should i go? hum...
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Libreoffice is the only choice.

Openoffice is run by an evil empire and they are trying to turn it into a Google Docs type application.
 
Dustman said:
I'm all for nostalgia, but are you forgetting just how bad AppleWorks 6 was? Office '97 was leaps and bounds better, and was a product almost 5 years older.
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I still use AppleWorks 6 on an old iBook. What's wrong with it other than it does not dumb down to iOS?
 
Keynote has become a POS too

One of my common uses for Keynote is preparing figures I will use in Pages or other software. In this way, I use Keynote as a simpler Illustrator. Well I tried to copy and paste an image created in Keynote into Pages and the result was horrible. It reminded me of the fantastic Office images that look like a 1992 bitmap.

Also, my presentations with movies do not work in the new Keynote.

A complete piece of *****.

Batman89 said:
I can't believe it took me 5 minutes to figure out how to center some data that I had in Numbers, and to even edit the text. These are obvious options that should be in the toolbar, not hidden away in the menu bar.

The reply box here, on the MacRumors forums, has more options on its toolbar than Numbers and Pages. Haven't really tried Keynote yet.

Also, does Numbers '13 even have a formula bar? Can't seem to locate it.

The new iWorks make it seem like it belongs in a high-powered iPad, like an iPad Pro, or something. The UI is ripped right from a touch-interface.

Doesn't seem like it belongs in the desktop.
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chezhoy said:
How do you uninstall it and go back to iWork 09?
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reinstall iWork '09 from your backup, which presumably you have, or else you'll have to re-download from the App Store. It should still show up under 'Purchases' once you log in to your a/c.
I keep all Apps and updates as .dmg files on a partition of my backup drive as a safety measure in the event of theft, need to erase and reinstall, etc.
This is especially handy now that the App Store is pretty much the only way of regaining missing applications

[by the way, you may have a problem with documents/presentations already opened with the new iWork - so before deleting, suggest you open them and copy paste contents into old iWork. any formatting should remain intact]

after loading new Pages, Keynote, etc onto a usb stick or external HD for future reference - simply drag them to trash - and delete.

I had all my Documents folder duplicated so I could use one set with iWork '09 and the other with new iWork until I became comfortable with new iWork.
I'm actually really enjoying it now after a few days to get used to it
 
Unfortunately the bad thing about using iWork '09, you won't be able to view/edit your documents on iOS.

And as soon as you open a document on iWork '13, it will no longer be able to open on iWork '09.

Disappointing.
 
This is the exact same thing they pulled off with Final Cut Pro. Removed a ton of features in FCPX. Then slowly added some back over a year.

Except in that case, they had paying customers with hundreds of millions in revenues who all complained. iWork is a consumer suite with no revenue, and thus all our complaints are going to be ignored.

Their goal is to make it usable on iOS, thus it had to be stripped of features. Apple apparently doesn't care about desktop users so much.
 
As of a couple hours ago....

Current App Store rankings for Pages 5.0:

4/5 stars 26.3% / 315
3 stars 6.7% / 81
1/2 stars 66.8% / 799

Way to go Apple! Woo hoo!

Fully 2/3 of the votes rank Pages 5.0 a lousy application..
 
They talk about feature parity and then Numbers on iCloud can't edit charts when Numbers on Mac and iOs can.

Liar, liar pants on fire.
 
vincebio said:
erm, ok...why have i got 2 versions installed on my computer??

this is messed up....the old one is opening not the new one.

i stand corrected....

WTF?!

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Be happy that the old ones are still there. I opened Keynote briefly as this is my main presentation tool, I hate PP - and decided after 5 minutes that it is way worse then the previous version, which thank god was not deleted automatically. UI is horrible but that I could get used too, but worse is that functionalities are deleted, such as certain transitions and menue bar items. Seems almost as if Apple knew that the new version is crap...

Why does Apple need to bring everything down to he limited possibilites of iOS instead of building a good Mac OS? Where is the old Apple BEFORE the iPad, where programs were programs and not apps and it was well build and thought through. Instead of trying to make a mobile OS feel like the real one they go backwards, remove functionality to make the real computer OS feel like the limited mobile one and converge to the lowest denominator plattform.:(
 
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I love iWork 2013 - finally documents are fully compatible between OS X and iOS, and a web interface is a nice (although limited) addition as well. None of the features I use were removed (I use Pages and Numbers, but not Keynote) - so I got lucky there.
I'm considering migrating from Google Docs to iWork now.

But I guess I'm in a tiny minority... :eek:
 
Compatibility with a mobile OS shouldn't be the #1 requirement for a product or how its judged !! :mad:

Unfortunately it seems both Apple and Microsoft are moving very quickly in that direction and prepared to abandon desktop users.
 
ecrispy said:
Unfortunately it seems both Apple and Microsoft are moving very quickly in that direction and prepared to abandon desktop users.
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I don't think they will ever truly abandon them - I'd imagine there will be a split of a pro and tablet versions for most serious software. In any case, I suspect that Apple will bring back a lot of features back soon :rolleyes:

The new iWork is a port of iOS version to OS X - hence some features that were previously desktop-only are not there and they will need to re-code them from scratch (while hopefully adding them to iOS as well).
 
Futurix said:
I don't think they will ever truly abandon them - I'd imagine there will be a split of a pro and tablet versions for most serious software. In any case, I suspect that Apple will bring back a lot of features back soon :rolleyes:

The new iWork is a port of iOS version to OS X - hence some features that were previously desktop-only are not there and they will need to re-code them from scratch (while hopefully adding them to iOS as well).
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Its still a sign of things to come. Since the goal was to make iWork compatible on iOS, and to do that they took iOS code and ported it to OSX which meant a ton of features were gone.

Instead, they could've slowly added desktop features back into the iOS versions.

And in the end, if the goal is to keep the 2 versions similar, it means desktop users suffer, because a mobile product can NEVER have the same features as a desktop one. There was nothing wrong in having 2 versions.
 
ecrispy said:
Instead, they could've slowly added desktop features back into the iOS versions.
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The key here is the word 'slowly' - perhaps Apple did not want to be like Microsoft which still does not have touch screen optimised version of Office. They wanted to have cross-platform solution by the time iPad Air ships.

ecrispy said:
because a mobile product can NEVER have the same features as a desktop one
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That's a bit of a loud statement - it certainly can; depending on how iWork '13 is written, Apple can add (or re-add) desktop-only features that won't be stripped away by touch versions.
 
That loud noise you just heard

Yes that one, that would be the sound of my hand hitting my forehead minutes after I realized that Apple had destroyed the iWorks '13 by removing key functions it to be able to use it in iToys, sorry iOS.
 
Futurix said:
That's a bit of a loud statement - it certainly can; depending on how iWork '13 is written, Apple can add (or re-add) desktop-only features that won't be stripped away by touch versions.
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The whole point here is that Apple's vision of the future is that the Mac should only be able to do what the iPad can. That's what 'feature parity' means.
 
Sorry to post a question in a thread that seems mostly to be a debate/argument between sides (fine with me, however; the title indicated such) but I see some people post that iWork is free...however, when I go to the Mac App Store they don't say free. Were they free for only a period or only for certain users?

On the "Top Charts" section they are listed as some of the top apps under the Free section but they all say $19.99. That's confusing in and of itself...
 
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