iWork for iCloud Updated With Retina Support and Design Improvements, iOS and Mac Updates to Follow

[Nalmond92]

Weird. I just tried it again, and it worked like a charm for me. And it kept my header page numbers in order too. I'm not sure what's up with your document.

Think it has something to do with weather the document was created while Document body was turned on. Once i turn that off i can move the pages around (although it deletes the content)

I hope it is some sort of bug they fix quickly

 

[AppleInTheMud]

Apple showing Microsoft who's boss

By updating 3 useless pieces of software, that still after the update looks like "made in china" ?

Apple is in front everywhere... But not on the phone side anymore and never was on the office side

 

[Parasprite]

No, it isn't.
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...,software,400&rh=i:software,k:mac office 2011

Thats 2011

Mac Office 365 user here. That's what we get.

Gotta wonder how long ago this particular part of the program was actually written...

 

[SlCKB0Y]

I love that Apple is iterating on software more frequently. Now if only they would do that with core iOS apps too.

Don't you mean if only they could? Apple would need to do some pretty serious recoding and issue an iOS update if they were to steal this idea from Android.

 

[ruipedro]

Redesign that ludicrously large sidebar.

Why does Bold have to be like an inch long in the desktop app!?

Just do ⌘ B

 

[maflynn]

why wouldn't you just export the pages file to .doc and send that?

Because it requires moving your finger, twice.

Sad to say but the rendering won't always be exact. What you see in Pages may not be what is seen in Word and vice versa. Its great that Pages has an export to Word but it may not always render exactly the same.

If collaboration is an important function, having one team member use a different product will produce more headaches then its worth.

My team uses templates and requires our documents (generally Standard Operating Procedures) to setup the same way, Pages isn't going to fit for me, when the entire team uses Word

 

[Rogifan]

Don't you mean if only they could? Apple would need to do some pretty serious recoding and issue an iOS update if they were to steal this idea from Android.

Wow I guess I didn't know it would be that difficult to update mail, calendar. maps, notes etc. outside of a major release.

 

[cgsnipinva]

Pivot Tables are not in themselves patented, although the name might well be registered. Some ability to slice/dice/aggregate is essential for any spreadsheet IMO.

No pivot tables are not patented - Google Sheets has pivot tables. I expect this feature to come along. Granted NUmbers is not yet at the level of MS Excel - on the desktop. It is close in the cloud version - as Web Excel does not have pivot tables.

Overall this is good news - because not only are we getting new features fairly regularly - they are also improving the integration between the iOS, Mac and Cloud version. It is encouraging to see the continued development.

 

[marioguarneros]

Anyone knows if this update fixes the bug in Pages where documents published to PDF will not open links inside the PDF when clicked except the very first one?

(I won't be able to update until I'm back home in one week so any info would be appreciated).

 

[jlwarlow]

iCloud needs folders to organise docs, I don't want every Numbers file in the same folder. Numbers also needs to know that I use a different date format to the US, dd/mm/yy for me! Numbers doesn't even allow me to enter custom format.

For now, Word and Excel still beat Pages and Numbers for sheer productivity on my part.

 

[cgsnipinva]

iCloud needs folders to organise docs, I don't want every Numbers file in the same folder. Numbers also needs to know that I use a different date format to the US, dd/mm/yy for me! Numbers doesn't even allow me to enter custom format.

For now, Word and Excel still beat Pages and Numbers for sheer productivity on my part.

You can make folders - it is quite easy. Slide one or more files together and it will prompt you to name the folder. From then on you can drag and drop files into the folder of your choice. I have 31 folders in my iCloud account for different sets of documents.

 

[BaldiMac]

iCloud needs folders to organise docs, I don't want every Numbers file in the same folder.

iCloud does have folders to organize Numbers documents. On an iOS device, you simply drag and drop a file on another file to create a folder.

 

[maflynn]

iCloud does have folders to organize Numbers documents. On an iOS device, you simply drag and drop a file on another file to create a folder.

Nice, I did not know that.

One downside of iCloud however and it has me a tad concerned is my documents are only on the cloud. If someone should occur, I lose my documents and based on one thread this has occurred (though its possible that it could be pilot error)

The thing with OneDrive, and Dropbox is that while the documents are in the cloud they're also on my local machine(s) and that's huge plus - at least for me.

 

[therockyroad]

Nice, I did not know that.

One downside of iCloud however and it has me a tad concerned is my documents are only on the cloud.

Turn off the WiFi/Ethernet on your Mac and open Pages and I think you will find there is in fact a local copy.

On OSX 10.7.2 check out ~/library/mobile something-or-other

 

[maflynn]

Turn off the WiFi/Ethernet on your Mac and open Pages and I think you will find there is in fact a local copy.

On OSX 10.7.2 check out ~/library/mobile something-or-other

Thanks, I didn't know that at all.

It may no be as convenient as dropbox or onedrive, but yet the fact remains its there and retrievable which is my main concern.

 

[unplugme71]

Free iWork >>>>> subscription based Microsoft Office.

Welcome the improvements!

Exactly - Microsoft should offer the Home & Student version of Office with the purchase of every new PC to even remotely compete. Then just purchased an 'upgrade' license to home & business or pro.

 

[maflynn]

Exactly - Microsoft should offer the Home & Student version of Office with the purchase of every new PC to even remotely compete. Then just purchased an 'upgrade' license to home & business or pro.

Why should they offer something for free when they've been incredibly successful at charging people. To put it another way, they're making a ton of money from charging people, what incentive or advantage would they gain from giving it away?

 

[newagemac]

If icloud.com was truly sufficient, then apple would have never bothered to make an OSX app for it.

Say what? Native apps are faster and more powerful than any Web app can be. Furthermore, web apps can't be integrated into the OS as well as native apps can with things like data detectors, Applescript, notifications, cross app functions, OS level functions like performance and power handling, Time Machine and backup support with other native backup apps, and etc.

The iCloud version is for cross platform compatibility but it will never be as good as a fully native app. Just like on mobile devices, the ultimate goal is to produce a great native app. A web based app is just an easy cheap way to get cross platform but it's not as goods native and never will be. Facebook learned that the hard way.

That's why Google's web apps are so far behind what Apple and Microsoft are doing. The major benefits Google Docs had was cross platform compatibility, sharing, and being free. They were never as good or as powerful as Microsoft Office or Apple's Pages and Keynote.

But now that Apple has iWork for free with native apps and cross platform web apps plus sharing (even shared real time editing between native apps and web), I can't see any benefit to being stuck just using a web app with Google Docs unless you are tied into Google's walled garden. iWork is so much better than Google Docs it's not even comparable.

 

[ricosuave]

Nice, I did not know that.

One downside of iCloud however and it has me a tad concerned is my documents are only on the cloud. If someone should occur, I lose my documents and based on one thread this has occurred (though its possible that it could be pilot error)

The thing with OneDrive, and Dropbox is that while the documents are in the cloud they're also on my local machine(s) and that's huge plus - at least for me.

They are stored locally as well. Delete a test file and bring it back with time machine.

 

[newagemac]

Nice, I did not know that.

One downside of iCloud however and it has me a tad concerned is my documents are only on the cloud. If someone should occur, I lose my documents and based on one thread this has occurred (though its possible that it could be pilot error)

The thing with OneDrive, and Dropbox is that while the documents are in the cloud they're also on my local machine(s) and that's huge plus - at least for me.

One of the nice things about iCloud over Google Docs is that every file is stored locally on your device so you are not relying on the cloud for the safety of your documents. You fully own them locally and can turn internet on and off at will.

The cloud is really only used for syncing. What's really cool is if you have Time Machine turned on you also have backups going back as far as you want.

 

[Dinø]

Eventually, this might be a competitor to iWork '09.

 

[maflynn]

I don't use google docs and I was totally unaware that iCloud stores a copy of my documents on my local computer.

 

[Dinø]

Retina websites and apps seems like a maintenance nightmare and extra work to support those privileged with those displays.

If Apple wants to sell the stick, there has to be a carrot at the end of it.

 

[Gudi]

Not to make execuses but the industry is moving in that direction and for enterprise computing its always been that way.

But office apps aren't enterprise computing anymore. Word processing is the most basic stuff of all. And the industry is moving towards free software with paid hardware and services, at least in the consumer space. Nowadays every OS platform has to provide the ability to share and create documents out of the box, just as it needs to have a free browser bundled with it. The competition right now is between Pages versus WordPad.

For the 99 dollars I feel I'm getting value for my money, such as 45GB of OneDrive cloud storage and the office apps. 4 more people in my household will also get 45GB of storage and MS office installed on their computer.

That's nice if you wanted to buy cloud storage for the whole family anyway. But since 5GB of free iCloud storage is enough for most people, they will feel differently. And if you need more, you can buy it from Apple. But if you need less, you can't reduce your bill with Microsoft.

I agree it sucks that its annual payment but upgrades are free.

iWork updates are also free and the price doesn't suck. If you cancel your payment with Microsoft, you will lose everything. Where is the benefit?

As for iWork, just because its free doesn't make it better, at least for me.

Just because its free also doesn't make it worse. And free software is important, because it justifies higher hardware prices. Once you bought their hardware, you start using more of their services, think iTunes.

 

[mangonights]

New iWork is a success

iCloud-based iWork is a success in my book. We've been using it more and more for collaboration. I think they are on the right track this time.