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When I first started using OSX, I was greatly impressed with Pages '09. I found it to be a terrific amalgam of MS Word and Publisher. So much so that I was hoping for an iWorks for Windows. (I was one of those oddballs that was a heavy user of ClarisWorks/Appleworks for Windows even though I hadn't used a Mac up to that point)

Over the last 25 years or so we have used, in order: WriteNow (still the gold standard for ease of use IMO), then ClarisWorks, AppleWorks, and iWork.

True, but I've had a few say, "what the heck did you send me?!" :) (the file was nearly unrecognizable)

Hard to imagine why, except perhaps as the result of font mismatches -- which are just as easy to create by sharing a Word document.


I know of competitors in our profession who persisted in sending Word files to clients until one of them decided that they were being invited to edit it. You know, to change the conclusions just a little. A public agency gets a report with your name on it but with conclusions that you didn't write. Cool. I never understood why anyone would expose themselves to that possibility.
 
I'm not sure about the iPhone, but on my Mac it works the way it used to: open the Thumbnails and just drag the pages where you want them.

I try that but then it just groups them all together like a stack. I can't then do anything with it
 
Still can't share a single sheet as a pdf in Numbers on iOS, it's the whole document or nothing.

So if I create an invoice on my iPad, I have to open it on my Mac to email it. I thought iWork was supposed to have the same capabilities across OS X, iOS, and the Web...
 
iWork has a loooonnnnggggg way to go before people can ditch Microsoft Office.

Yeah...lots of reasons why this statement is correct.

1. No windows version, so 90% of computers can't open your files
2. Compatibility of documents does not reach across all old versions
3. Missing many professional features that people use every day (ex. cross-referencing)

Even if it had all that, it would still need 100% cross-compatibility with .docx files to make a dent in the business world.
 
I've have sent hundreds of .doc files exported from Pages to Word users and none have ever said "I can't open that."

PDF isn't an extra step, it's the most important step. But only if you care about your work product. If not, continue to send everyone Word files.

Yes, you can force pages into a work flow by adding extra steps. But why would you want extra steps such as exporting to word when you can just work in word.

And yes I would send a pdf if I had a product that was finished and didn't want someone to edit, but I'm sending files that others need to open and edit and send back.

I'm not saying everyone has to do it my way, I'm saying that the work that I do requires multiple people to work on a document and Google docs doesn't cut the mustard.
 
no, its pc only


The Office you can buy as a one time purchase is the same as what you download through Office 365. Only difference being that Office 365 users will update to a new version of office at no extra charge while people who paid outright would have to buy any new versions that come out if they want to upgrade.
 
It doesn't matter how great these apps get because in my world, almost everyone uses Office. I could send a PDF if no one will ever need to edit it, but even then, it's an extra step to convert it to a PDF.

With word I can just send them the .doc file and no one ever has said "I can't open that." I can just imagine what would happen if I sent out a .pages file.

why wouldn't you just export the pages file to .doc and send that?
 
Yeah...lots of reasons why this statement is correct.

1. No windows version, so 90% of computers can't open your files
2. Compatibility of documents does not reach across all old versions
3. Missing many professional features that people use every day (ex. cross-referencing)

Even if it had all that, it would still need 100% cross-compatibility with .docx files to make a dent in the business world.

1. If you must send editable files, use the Word export. Works fine.
2. The same is true for Word. So what was your point?
3. How many people use cross referencing?

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why wouldn't you just export the pages file to .doc and send that?

Because it requires moving your finger, twice.

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Yes, you can force pages into a work flow by adding extra steps. But why would you want extra steps such as exporting to word when you can just work in word.

And yes I would send a pdf if I had a product that was finished and didn't want someone to edit, but I'm sending files that others need to open and edit and send back.

I'm not saying everyone has to do it my way, I'm saying that the work that I do requires multiple people to work on a document and Google docs doesn't cut the mustard.

It isn't forced at all. Pages improved my workflow immensely (4.x, not the screwed up current version).

If I wanted to work in Word, that's what I would do. I think Word sucks, and based on the almost uniformly grotesque documents I see produced in Word, I would rather not be one of those people.
 
why wouldn't you just export the pages file to .doc and send that?

If Pages did something amazing that Word didn't do I would be willing to add extra steps. But importing and exporting can introduce anomalies and I don't want to have to check to make sure that my formatting wasn't changed, etc.

Granted, there can be issues between Macs and PCs both using Word, but much less likely.

I have nothing against Pages, it just doesn't make sense to me to have a .pages file and export it to a .doc file and send that when I can just work with a single .doc file.

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If I wanted to work in Word, that's what I would do. I think Word sucks, and based on the almost uniformly grotesque documents I see produced in Word, I would rather not be one of those people.

Fair enough. I would actually prefer to work in Pages, mostly because I love Apple products and want to support my chosen platform. But I'm just too lazy too fight the system and there are a few features that Word has that I need that aren't in pages.

I'll probably revisit my decision as more features are added, but at this point I'm not optimistic.
 
I just tried it and it doesn't work even though in their notes it says you can!

I hope they add the ability to rearrange sections in Pages... that's my single biggest complaint with the new iWork!

I've finally accepted the fact that Numbers will always be rubbish for anything more than very simple spreadsheets...

but Keynote! The new Keynote is awesome! I opened Keynote '09 yesterday and it's so clunky and un-intuitive compared to the new one. Love it.
 
what improved in presenter display keynote 6.2???

what improved in presenter display keynote 6.2?
Cant see anything new there. Or improved....
 
no, its pc only

Oh, I meant that Office can still be box purchased in general. The Mac:2011 is still available like this, but I don't know if it will remain.

If Microsoft wants this subscription model to work, they need a small user version at a reasonable price, not the $69.99 version they just launched. If a person just wants office on one computer for occasional work and personal stuff then they need a model like $29.99 or $39.99. Not that I think $69.99 is too much for this quality, I just don't think many indifferent home users will pay that.
 
I am getting tired of all these pointless discussions about Apple iWork and Microsoft Office. It somehow mimics the pointless PC vs. Mac thing.

The arguments are all the same, and no conclusion whatsoever. Nobody could ever, in my experience, change the opinion of the other.

People who prefer iWork usually see no reason for paying a premium for using Microsoft Office. They are usually committed to Apple products (Macs, iPads and iPhones) and sometimes Mac Evangelists. In addition, they are usually attracted by the simplicity and elegance of iWork, which integrates well with the operating system. Microsoft Office is sometimes called "bloated" with useless features. In most cases, these users do not need too many advanced features which iWork lack, nor need to collaborate a lot with users from other platforms.

People who prefer Microsoft Office, on the other hand, tend to be more business-oriented. They sometimes need the advanced features that Word offers, such as cross-references, indexing, and so on. Or, sometimes, they just want the maximum compatibility with others, and want to be 100% guaranteed that, no matter how many bells and whistles a file will have, it will be opened on nearly any computer in the world. Because everybody is supposed and expected to use Microsoft Office, a de facto standard. Sometimes these people think that iWork lacks features or compatibility.

And there are, of course, people who like LibreOffice or OpenOffice. These people are sometimes committed to Linux. They praise the fact that LibreOffice is free and open source, and that there is no need to be locked into proprietary software such as Microsoft Office or iWork. They argue that LibreOffice has a similar set of features than Microsoft Office and has compatibility. And then there are those who bash LibreOffice because it is not elegant as Microsoft Office or iWork, and is not fully compatible with everything.

So, why should we go on discussing? Is anybody going to change his opinion?

I only wished that Microsoft released the next version of Office, and that Apple sped up a little development of iWork.
 
Improvements to the iCloud website are always welcome. Really wish Apple would take the iCloud website to the next level and add things like iMessages and 3rd party apps. It would be great if developers could utilize iCloud web based API so that iOS app users could work with iOS app data through the iCloud website.

Me too. The main question is, can they do without weakening the security system in place. I like knowing iMessage is secure to use (even though Apple holds the encryption keys). Would such an API break that?

Right now because Apple sucks at producing reliable web services, I'm just waiting for BBM to be out for iPad and Mac/PCs before I switch away from iMessage.

BBM has the strongest chance of being the best top messaging solution, hopefully, they won't screw up.

I hope they add the ability to rearrange sections in Pages... that's my single biggest complaint with the new iWork!

I've finally accepted the fact that Numbers will always be rubbish for anything more than very simple spreadsheets...

but Keynote! The new Keynote is awesome! I opened Keynote '09 yesterday and it's so clunky and un-intuitive compared to the new one. Love it.

It's mentioned in the Pages' release notes and I confirmed it works.

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I love that Apple is iterating on software more frequently. Now if only they would do that with core iOS apps too.

Apple need to put all of their core apps in the App Store, so that they can release updates quicker like this.

Not only that, they need to put iCloud APIs in the App Stores too, so we don't have to wait a year for OS X/iOS updates to be releases with improvements to iCloud APIs.

This is the one area where Google have major lead on Apple now.


Retina websites and apps seems like a maintenance nightmare and extra work to support those privileged with those displays.

It's actually not that much of a nightmare if you know what you're doing. It's very easy to build retina apps on OS X, you just include the x2 artwork and Apple made a big improvement in Xcode 5 with the assets manager.

Retina websites are easy to work with if you peruse one of the popular javascript libraries that already all the experience and code needed without much work from the developers.

The problem isn't the code itself at all. It's the bandwidth and costs itself.

So how much memory on my iPad am I going to lose this time for crap I'll probably never need? From iOS6 to iOS7 (not iWorks) it was over 2GBs. They just keep eating it up.

What are you talking about? iWork is optional and isn't pre-installed in iOS, it has absolutely zero to do with what you're talking about.

Also, it's not memory you're losing, it's storage, two separate technology.

Hallelujah! I can re-order the pages! I'm really glad Apple is sticking with it and gradually bringing back functionality. And the fact that it will behave the same on all my devices (plus online) is impressive.

No, you can't yet. You can only re-order sections, not pages.

I thought these were downloads from the App Store not preinstalled on the device.

You thought correct.

So they can update iWork's but they can't upgrade/update the mini :confused:

You really are confused. Two completely and utterly unrelated things and not even handled by the same core group.

They probably decided to skip the upgrade and are waiting for a new part to come out from Intel before upgrading mini.

There's a good chance that they're doing a major overhaul of Mac mini, so it's probably going to take a while. I suspect there'll be an update sometime this year.


I just tried it and it doesn't work even though in their notes it says you can!

It works fine for me.

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FINALLY!!! In App document search! Thank you Apple! So glad you finally caught up to the free apps I been having to use!
 
iWork has been great for my college needs. Google docs, too. I don't see the need to pay for Office unless you really need its powerful features. I think you can get by in college for basic needs with either Google Docs, iWork, or other free document software.
 
Oh, I meant that Office can still be box purchased in general. The Mac:2011 is still available like this, but I don't know if it will remain.



If Microsoft wants this subscription model to work, they need a small user version at a reasonable price, not the $69.99 version they just launched. If a person just wants office on one computer for occasional work and personal stuff then they need a model like $29.99 or $39.99. Not that I think $69.99 is too much for this quality, I just don't think many indifferent home users will pay that.



Office is a premium app suite. Most 'home' users can get by without the premium features. Lots of very simple cheap/free word processors out there. A business should be giving their employees the tools to do their job.

I personally think $99 a year with installs on 5 different computers is pretty reasonable.

We use a business 365 plan for our email hosting and I don't find the cost unreasonable. For the software we have downloaded I'd be looking at close to a grand and would have have to pay that all over again when a new version is released if I wanted to update.
 
It doesn't matter how great these apps get because in my world, almost everyone uses Office. I could send a PDF if no one will ever need to edit it, but even then, it's an extra step to convert it to a PDF.

With word I can just send them the .doc file and no one ever has said "I can't open that." I can just imagine what would happen if I sent out a .pages file.

You could send them a PDF, or you could just send them a .doc...you know like you've always been able to.

Edit: Never mind, should have looked to see if someone replied.

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