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Re: This should not be a PAID upgrade

Originally posted by ezrabud
Having to pay for this upgrade is pathetic. I have purchased both the public beta and 10.1 and use neither of them for more than curiousity purposes. The operating system is great but still needs much work (performance sucks specifically); work that we should NOT be required to pay money for.
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just remember, making a good OS is not cheap. Apple has to have the people who write the software, do the R&D, and a bunch of other stuff. now, you may say that open source is nice, and should be cheap (and it is), but it takes someone to put all of this stuff, and that is what Apple is doing. If they don't charge for their software, even major updates, then the software will start to suck. Apple has released 10-10.1.4 for free (some may argue about the 10.1) and with the MAJOR improvements in 10.2, Apple is justified in charging for the update. Besides, its their software, and their decision.

So, next time you complain about having to pay for something, just remember that there are people who make these things, and who have to work for it to make a living...
 
Re: Felids

Originally posted by sloppyjoe
Get Jaguar for 135$ at:

http://www.azdrybones.com/felids.htm
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WTF? That is so sad...you are posting a like to a place where you can buy cat skulls? No offense, but unless you suffer from some F'n mental syndrome, don't post that particular type of information here.

So sad...

And let's rack this Jaguar price upgrade up once and for all. Apple has always done with improvements in their operating systems since X. The pay upgrade to 10.1 served incredibly well, as many people complained about speed issues. If Backtothemac is saying that Jaguar (he has the beta) runs a lot faster on his iBook with a G3, then wouldn't you at least pay to actually use these features on a G4 (or whatever computer you use)? And aren't all these improvements and additions Apple has mentioned at WWDC enough for a small price tag? If you think that Apple is going to hand out a completely free upgrade "package" for Jaguar with all of these new features, then you need to go back to the penny pinching you have done since you got your first Mac. This upgrade most likely will be worth both the effort and the price.
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I'm sure Jaguar will be a purchased upgrade. It just all makes sense for it to be. I'm planning on paying also. Lucky for me I'm still a student so I will be able to buy it at a reduced price but still, for what Apple gives us I would pay the whole amount if I had to. Go buy it at a University bookstore if you don't want to pay the full price, or get a student to do if for you.

I think we will be seeing this upgrade in September though, maybe August if we are lucky. Sure reviews have said the latest version is pretty stable, but don't forget all of the features that haven't been implemented yet. Quartz Extreme will most likely be a favorite of mine, but I'll be glad to see the demise of the cursed "beachball of death" also. As for Quicktime 6, I think MPEGLA will work out their pricing, and I don't think it will delay Apple from shipping Jaguar. As for numbering let Jaguar be 10.2 for all I care, the X factor has much more appeal than XI. And for those of you complaining about money, why do you have a Mac? Go to a PC if you want to be cheap. If you want quality you pay for it.
 
Beachball or not?

Originally posted by ultrafiel
... I'll be glad to see the demise of the cursed "beachball of death" also.
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I've found it funny that the wait cursor has been dubbed a "beachball".
Actually, I was surprised when OS X Beta still had it. Back on OPENSTEP, it was exactly the same but it looked a kind-of like the drive icon - except spinning and colorfull. So, I assumed it was supposed to indicate a spinning disc or drive platter.
 
Re: Beachball or not?

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw

I've found it funny that the wait cursor has been dubbed a "beachball".
Actually, I was surprised when OS X Beta still had it. Back on OPENSTEP, it was exactly the same but it looked a kind-of like the drive icon - except spinning and colorfull. So, I assumed it was supposed to indicate a spinning disc or drive platter.
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You assumed correctly, methinks. It's simply come to be known as "the beachball" (or otherwise, The Spinning Beachball of Death) because, well, that's what it looks like. :)
 
Re: Up-to-date program

Steve Jobs stated that Xserve purchasers would have to pay for the Jagwire upgrade, which indicates that they will not qualify for the up-to-date program.
 
Re: Re: Up-to-date program

Originally posted by Foocha
Steve Jobs stated that Xserve purchasers would have to pay for the Jagwire upgrade, which indicates that they will not qualify for the up-to-date program.
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Apple doesn't announce their Up-To-Date programs until after the OS has been released. If you buy an XServe today it will be more than 90 days til Jaguar is released, therefore I don't believe you'd qualify for the Jaguar Up-To-Date.

If it bothers you, then wait. If you have any issues with OSX performance then stay with OS9. Always the same argument.
 
Re: Re: This should not be a PAID upgrade

Originally posted by Pelorus




2. How much did 10.1 cost you? Lemme guess. You got it burned for free at a local store and you removed the OSX check file so it's a full bootable Cd now...it's always the whiners and thieves that bitch about paying money.

I hope they do make it a pay upgrade
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Nasty little post - in my experience, its always the ones who proudly talk of paying for things that usually turn out to be thieves.
People that bitch about paying are doing just that - bitching about paying money.

People that boast about wanting to pay obviously need to talk about what good payers they are - probably because they actually are NOT good 'payers'.

10.1, btw, was a free upgrade at Apple reseller stores......

Anyway, if our want-to-pay (Pelorus) is so keen, let him pay for ALL our upgrades - Hey, think how righteous he would feel!

A Pelorus, btw, is a device to hold a compass bearing and sight along it, usually on a boat. Methinks this guy is off-course.
 
pay?

Eh, I'll pay. If it's doing my small part to help Apple, I'll do it. Just buying a computer only helps for one Quarter. I am paying for what I get in the box at that time, not what's in the box plus every upgrade that Apple releases within 2 years. They improve the product. If we like it, we purchase the upgrade. If not, we stick with what we have and deal with it (you could still be running classic and most people could get done what the need to). I just hope it's everything Steve's RDF wills it to be.
 
importance

Reading the forums, people don't appear to be willing to pay for a .1 update, yet are willing to pay for a .5 or 1.0 update.
 
Re: importance

Originally posted by gopher
Reading the forums, people don't appear to be willing to pay for a .1 update, yet are willing to pay for a .5 or 1.0 update.
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Oh point five? That's different. Its 3 better. Who do I make the check out to again?

So are you saying you would be happier if it were named 10.5?
That anyone here would be happier if it were named 10.5 instead?
That the mac using population at large would be more likely to buy if it were named 10.5?

What about the backlash among those who have seen the preview named 10.2, (as seen on apple.com) and would see them calliing it 10.5 in hopes to urge sales among the reluctant as a not particularly bright marketing move?
 
Re: Re: Re: This should not be a PAID upgrade

Originally posted by elgruga

Nasty little post - in my experience, its always the ones who proudly talk of paying for things that usually turn out to be thieves.
People that bitch about paying are doing just that - bitching about paying money. People that boast about wanting to pay obviously need to talk about what good payers they are - probably because they actually are NOT good 'payers'.
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Great logic there. You're special.
I'd comment that youre' so quick to "shift the blame" and deflect any dirt that you're not entirely kosher yourself....but what would be the point.
10.1, btw, was a free upgrade at Apple reseller stores......
Anyway, if our want-to-pay (Pelorus) is so keen, let him pay for ALL our upgrades - Hey, think how righteous he would feel!
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The poster said that he bought "Public Beta" and "10.1". 10.1 was also a full retail package. To use the free package you had to have 10.0 or you had to hack the 10.1 upgrade CD and therefore be a thief. Now if you want to make a 6000 mile round trip you can come and look at my collection of 10.x boxes. I have two 10.0 boxes, three 10.1 upgrades and a 10.1.3 upgrade.

A Pelorus, btw, is a device to hold a compass bearing and sight along it, usually on a boat. Methinks this guy is off-course.
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Good lord, I let out a belly laugh at that one.
Anyone can use a dictionary.
Pelorus was also Hannibal's navigator. You'll find that the maritime doohickey was named after him.
 
10.who cares

this is absurd. it will be 10.2. apple will charge money for it. we will buy it. the question is whether we SHOULD. OS 9 was supposed to be 8.7 originally. So what? If there are substantial changes to the OS that require more than bug fixes, I believe Apple has a right to charge (who noticed the changes from 8.5 to 8.6 other than for some). And it does appear that 10.2 is a significant upgrade. So, pay if you want the benefits, don't pay if you don't think it's worth it. That's how it goes. The question is whether the changes merit a purchase....From what I have seen, I believe they do.
 
I sincerely hope that 10.2 will finally enable OS X to play (Mode 2) VCD's. There is no excuse for ANY modern OS not to allow such a simple task! And I see no reason why OS X disallows this aside from deliberately crippling the OS. It's damn annoying that I have to boot into OS 9 just to watch a video CD. (I could gladly wipe OS 9 off my HD forever if I could just view VCD's in OSX!)

Can anyone using the 10.2 beta confirm if it plays VCD's?
 
So many of you guys are not willing to pay for an upgrade to a powerful update to OS X 10.2, which most of us assume is Jaguar. (I am still admonishing gopher for his insight on this issue.)

Let's see if we can change a few minds. Let's say Apple has just released OS X 10.2. Let's assume that it is Jaguar. This Jaguar may come with a much faster finder, severely improved performance on G3 computers, spring loaded folders, an improved warning for kernel panics, many less bugs, a replacement for the rainbow spinning CD, an improved interface, Sherlock 3, uses less memory, and has more support for AltiVec acceleration.

If Apple managed to pull off all of this for their update package, from 10.1 to 10.2, for $30, let's say, would you buy it? Otherwise, you will most likely never see these features in 10.1, since these are rather large upgrades.

I am saying this because Apple will not spend all of their energy and improvements to be used in something that will be handed out free.

So, would you then purchase the upgrade? Because I would.
 
30 bucks

I would rather spend that on a lapdance and a drink and continue to use 10.1.4 and/or 9 than blow the money on a 10.2 upgrade. I have a single 450 g4 with the crappy stock ati card. No amount of upgrades are going to result in a great performance boost for me. I am holding out for the next generation. Until then, lapdances and bombay tonics.
 
Re: 30 bucks

Originally posted by tortus
I would rather spend that on a lapdance and a drink and continue to use 10.1.4 and/or 9 than blow the money on a 10.2 upgrade. I have a single 450 g4 with the crappy stock ati card. No amount of upgrades are going to result in a great performance boost for me. I am holding out for the next generation. Until then, lapdances and bombay tonics.
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I was about to buy a new video card for my Sawtooth before I even heard of Quartz Extreme, more likely to do so after hearing of it. I want to extend my present hardwares life to the max before waiting for a new tower I can't afford yet, it will make it more useful to me as an extra box, or improve its resale value.

But the gin and lapdances, is this an Apple Store thing? I wondered what went on in the Apple Theater...
 
Apple Theater....

Shoot, what do you think Apple has been doing with their profits. Why do you think they have been lagging on the g5. Too much gin, juice, and booty going on in Apple HQ.
 
What!

I'm a little confused. Why the bitching about a paid upgrade. Of course you'll have to pay for it. There are tons of improvements being added to Jaguar. Under the hood and on top of it. Developing software costs money people. The time spent developing Quicktime 6 alone justifies paying a fee. How about Inkwell? Integrating GCC 3? CUPS? What about Rendevous? You think that was free? Stop freaking whining. Apple is bringing you Quartz Extreme. Believe me, that was no small development feet. Microsoft is working on the same thing for their next OS. (-http://www6.tomshardware.com/business/02q2/020417/winhec11-05.html) The good thing is that Longhorn won't be available for at least another year. You'll have similar features earlier than the Wintel world. Progress is good and it costs money. So open up your pockets and pay for the freaking upgrade you cheap bastages. It's not like Apple is the record industry and is charging you $20 for one good song. You're gonna see some value with your purchase. :)
 
Re: What!

gjohns01, for the most part, I agree with you, but in a much lighter sense.

Let me just say that do not be disappointed that you may have to pay for an upgrade, because I only see this as the most logical way that Apple, basically, attributes respect and recognition, by selling a fully enhanced package of software that most likely WILL be worth the upgrade. If you still think that all of this paying just to upgrade to a .2 with a few extra add-ons is moosesh!t then ask Backtothemac. He has only a beta, and on his G3 there are vast improvements.

P.S. gjohns01, I do recommend that you post a little more lightly. Otherwise, we could have another flame war going about. And I know exactly what those are like.

And now for my final thought. It is obvious that when we feel that we are getting cheated out of a package of software for money we get angry. We look only at the cost of the software, as it is usually the most prominent "label" on anything physical that requires a price tag. However, most of us fail to realize the real beauty of the package inside the price tag. We fail to overlook the price tag and we oversee what the benefit of this price tag really is. Inside this price tag is an upgrade that some people say would be an absolutely incredible package. Apple has already given us an inside look at the package of software. It is fair to say that it is free to explore and get more information on these improvements or additions, but it is also fair to say that to actually keep the materials for your own personal use you are required to take notice of the price tag. You are entitled to personally use these advancements in software if and only if you accept to purchase the package, instead of free-viewing it. "'Till next time take care of yourself, and each other." - Jerry Springer.
 
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