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Jaguar at MWNY?

More memory?

Any idea how much RAM Jaguar will require? Have 256mb on my iBook, and I'm wonderin' if havin' an entire 640mb would be a good idea?
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More memory is _always_ a good idea. Mo' mem! Mo' mem! Mo' mem!

Anyway, on the topic of 10.1.5/10.1.6, I'm certain the code branching post is correct. Big software projects that have actual deadlines always do this.

AFA Xserve shipping with 10.1.5, imagine that it was announced that XServe required Jag and Jag slipped. Foot, meet accelerated metal projectile. So it makes sense that to cover the bases, the most assured release will be the one that gets announced.

-porruka
 
Stevie J will bust out new PowerMacs and Jaguar in MWNY... then make us wait for a few weeks until they ship with 10.2 pre-installed.

Take my word for it. I'll put down $$$. We'll see the goods in advancen then get antsy and disgruntled for the preceding few weeks until they start shipping.

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Originally posted by j763
If this rumor is true, then either MPEGLA or apple have walked out of discussions or they've reached an arrangement already. The latter being more likely -- the only reason that Jag is waiting for the greedy @$$holes at MPEGLA is so that with the upgrade to Jag, Apple can raise some funds not only to make an ROI from Jag but to pay mpegla for mpeg4 decoding in QT6. Personally, I hope that Apple have given up on MPEGLA and have effectively killed MPEG4 and then we'll see what those greedy @$$holes say.
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I don't think that Apple will walk out of, or completely dump MPEG4. Apple's trying to get a standard set in the internet media field, and they see MPEG4 as the best technology for the job. Apple is trying to make something that everyone can use, and not release some proprietary codec that's incompatible with everything else. I believe that Apple's strategy was to show mpegla how their technology could become the standard, that the expensive licensing terms prevented this, and that they didn't need to put such hefty fees on the use of MPEG4 if it was a standard.

Apple's trying to "light the match" with MPEG4 for the internet media format of choice, and eventually get others, like microsoft, or real player to use mpeg4.

The problem with media these days, is that there are no standards... If one standards organization won't accept a format, they'll just create another organization... Apple is trying to stop this, and provide all users (windows and Mac) with the best computing/internet experience, and they see MPEG4 as the best way to do it.

As far as "jag-wire" :D (sorry Steve, it's just kinda funny...)

I wouldn't be too sure on its release date because I haven't even seen what its current status is. I just hope that it would be in time for MWNY. Then they can put it on the new towers...
 
I'm irritated by the notion often posted that Apple will want income from the upgrade so not only will they charge for it, they will call it 10.5 instead of 10.2, to justify the cost to people. "Oh? Its 10.-FIVE-? That's different- where do I send my money again?"

Because I want the entire enchilada on One CD (or set of CDs) as a complete full upgrade with all the apps, so it is probable I may be paying, happily mind you, for 1.2 on CD.
This may mean full price for me, and I may be okay with that. It might also mean 20 bucks, or even nothing. But I want something complete reliable and solid, not piecemeal upgrades.

Doesn't matter if the download is free, or an upgrade disk from the Apple store is free, or if software update gives it to me free through OS Thirteen, I want 10.2 complete on a disc. I don't want to install 10.0 again, then 10.1, then every other upgrade in between, especially if I might have to do it more than once due to some unforseen glitch. I want full installation discs with all the bells and whistles.
 
Xserve runs OS X Server....

The bit about the Xserve requiring a paid upgrade to 10.2 bothers me. The Xserves are not supposed to ship until sometime in June, right? And if 10.2 comes out during the MWNY, that would only make it a month later. That doesn't make sense to me. Either it's gonna be a free upgrade for Xserve users OR it's not coming out until August or so.
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Xserve doesn't run OS X client... it runs OS X Server... Server has traditionally been behind the client on upgrades, etc. at least as far as the version number is concerned. Who is to say whether 10.2 Server will come out in July.
 
Since 97, Apple has produced a paid-for upgrade almost every year - 8, 8.5, 9 and X. It's been over a year since the last paid-for upgrade (excluding the handling charge for 10.1) and so it is surely inevitable that Apple will want to charge for this one.

I think it's clear that Apple are busily fixing bugs in 10.1 in order to justify charging for 10.2.

I agree with Wry - I always prefer to buy a clean install CD rather than mess around with incremental patches and updates - I did the same with 10.1 - in a busy life there isn't enough time to install patch after patch.
 
Jaguar to include Aquarium Screensaver

Windows users have, for some time, had one saving grace from their otherwise dull and lifeless pc's, in that the Sachs Aquarium screensaver (visit www.serenescreen.com) has given them something nice to look at on their screen. Despite the fact this product runs on Windows, it actually is quite good. A bit of digging on their website reveals that a "special" mac version will be available this summer. These people had an agreement with MS to include the saver with a Windows XP feature pack, not to be out-done i'm sure our friends at Cupertino have something similar up their sleeve! ;-)
 
Remember, Apple "thinks different" on the subject of "late summer" to the rest of us. They said that the Public Beta would be released "late summer" and we got it at the end of September.

Combined with the fact that Steve specifically stated that Xserve owners would have to pay to upgrade to Jagwire indicates late August at the earliest, since otherwise Xserve owners would qualify for Apple's up-to-date program.

Assuming it's not cancelled this year, Paris sounds like the best contender for a release date.

It's gonna be a long summer!
 
foocha -- as I said before, if they can work the licensing issues out, they should be able to release in MWNY easily... Apple can't accurately predict the release date. It kinda depends on Mpeg la... Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see an open standard but mpegla's talk of charging the end user, content provider and for the decoder doesn't sound like a great way of doing things... They've got a good technology, they're just as greedy as hell, so I really wouldn't mind seeing this whole thing fail miserably due to their greed, then we'd end up with something better and cheaper (hopefully).
 
surprised and shocked

Jobs did say "late summer" which, in Apple parlance, is September. Just in time for Paris.

In July you'll see new PowerMacs and more showing off of Jaguar.

I'm pretty shocked and dismayed to hear about all the people who will refuse to pay. I mean - this stuff isn't being charged for JUST to make a profit. I got 10.1 for £19 quid which was cheaper than any other upgrade I've ever paid. Look at the other side of the fence, it's much more expensive on the other side.

I mean...how much do people expect to pay for upgrades? I spent 70 quid in 10,0, then 19 quid on 10.1. At this point I certainly don't begrudge Apple another full 70 quid. 70 quid every two years or so is perfectly reasonable IMO

Wow. As a content creator myself I couldn't justify stealing from other creators.
 
Originally posted by Kid Red
They were working on 10.1 and 10.0x at the same time, they also worked on 9.1, 9.2 a the same time as X PB. They were also working on 10.2 when at least 10.1.4 came out, why would you not believe they can do it again?
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I did not mention Apple working on a future version when some version was already out. I was saying that why would Apple working on an old version of software when a newer one was already out? (I am assuming that Mac OS X 10.1.5/..6 come out within a four or five month period.) It wouldn't make sense for Apple to have 10.1.6 and 10.2 be available at the same time. Just upgrade to 10.2, since 10.1.x will not improve any more. That was my point.
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Originally posted by DannyZR2
I smell new powermacs...

buy now or wait... .?????????????? the ever present question..
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If you have to ask, wait. The computer you have now does everything you need and serves all the purposes you anticipate needing in the next year or so.

People who upgrage right after a release but have an adequate computer already are either Apple early adopters (see marketing texts), are fanatics (se sociology texts), have megahertz envy (see psychology texts), or have more money than brains (see trust fund babies).

And all this discussion about the release of particular OS versioon NUMBERS entirely sidesteps ANY discussion of FEATURES. So what, what they CALL a bug fix? 10.1.4, 10.1.5, 10.1.6, who cares? When they want to CHARGE you for it they will simply rename 10.1.6 to 10.2 and tell you how wonderful it is supposed to make you feel!! And based on these posts about version numbers, you will!

You know what I want to READ here? What features are fixed, or added in a version and what if any benefits those features deliver so I can make an educated decision whether or not to upgrade a CPU to a particular OS. Most of my Macs still run either OS9.2 or OS 8.6. I am looking for the day when the general trend in postings is that OSX is so valuable and stable it is the ONLY way to go.

Rocketman

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Re: Xserve runs OS X Server....

Originally posted by foniks2020


Xserve doesn't run OS X client... it runs OS X Server... Server has traditionally been behind the client on upgrades, etc. at least as far as the version number is concerned. Who is to say whether 10.2 Server will come out in July.
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The web site says OSX client is a build to order downgrade. Presumably one could buy 10 Xserves and install server on one and OSX on the rest.

Rocketman
 
Originally posted by Rocketman
I am looking for the day when the general trend in postings is that OSX is so valuable and stable it is the ONLY way to go.
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It's more than stable. And that's the main reason I love using it. I will never be able to go back to the old OS. With X, I am able to leave my computer on for weeks without a restart. It's wonderful.
 
mwny history?

what is the history of mwny?

what sort of things have been released then?

i know the original imac was released in august -- the imac was released on my birthday, august fifteenth :D -- was that mwny?

jus wonderin...
 
Lately, many PowerMacs and iMacs have been released on the same month as a major Expo, such as New York or San Fransisco. I am pretty sure that the first Quicksilvers were released at the New York Expo (correct me if I am wrong). It seems that another revolution in PowerMacs may hit us at New York this year, say, much more improved G4s? Well, at long as it doesn't hit us too hard... :)
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Apple suffers from poor marketing, old numbering system

Many people are upset by the fact that they will have to pay for OS 10.2 becuase Apple has done a poor job of marketing their new versions. If they used the Micro$oft version of numbering not many people would be complaining at all. For those of you who don't understand let me explain...

In 1995 MS released Windows 4.0 but they smartly called it Windows 95

2 years later they released Windows 4.1, but they called it Windows 98, making it seem like a whole new product

6 months later they released Windows 4.2, which they called Windows 98SE.

Windows 4.5 was called Windows ME, and so on

MS charged for all of these updates and noone complained because the average consumer actually thought he was getting a brand new product, rather then a simple upgrade. If Apple were to adopt a new numbering system (I am not suggesting the MS year system) it would make it much easier for joe consumer to lay down his $75.

-Stu
 
Here is my argument against what Stu is saying. How much did consumers have to pay for upgrades to Winblows 95, 98, 98SE, ME, XP anyways? I thought I read someplace that the upgrade price was greater and greater, depending on the version/year difference for an upgrade. And also I thought that even a simple upgrade from 4.1 to 4.2, etc. was at least, $50? I am probably a little off.

Now, an even better argument...

Do you really see $20 to upgrade a version of OS X a big deal? If you do, give me a break! Now I do not mean to be so blunt, but $20 for a simple upgrade is basically nothing. That is like an ink cartridge for an old printer. And, no, I am not trying to refer back to the old Mastercard commercials from last year. :)
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This should not be a PAID upgrade

Having to pay for this upgrade is pathetic. I have purchased both the public beta and 10.1 and use neither of them for more than curiousity purposes. The operating system is great but still needs much work (performance sucks specifically); work that we should NOT be required to pay money for.
 
Re: This should not be a PAID upgrade

Originally posted by ezrabud
Having to pay for this upgrade is pathetic. I have purchased both the public beta and 10.1 and use neither of them for more than curiousity purposes. The operating system is great but still needs much work (performance sucks specifically); work that we should NOT be required to pay money for.
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What machine do you use it on?
I've got a B&W with a Sonnet G4/400 upgrade and 768MB RAM. It runs just fine. The only time it feels slugish is when I re-size windows - a small price to pay for pre-emptive multi-tasking and protected memory. I am looking to upgrade to a faster Mac now, ONLY because Final Cut Pro 3 has much that would take advantage of the new, faster machines. Untill it was released, I found my 3.5 year old machine to be plenty fast under OS X.
 
I have no performance problems with OS X, but plenty of problems with OS 9 - are you really happy with an OS which freezes every time the user holds down the mouse button or a modal dialog box appears?

If you want free software, there's plenty of great free software out there - try GNU/Linux. Apple's a commercial organisation, so you have to pay for the upgrades - you take you choice!
 
Re: This should not be a PAID upgrade

Originally posted by ezrabud
Having to pay for this upgrade is pathetic. I have purchased both the public beta and 10.1 and use neither of them for more than curiousity purposes.
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1. The Public Beta no longer boots and therefore it's not much for "curiosity" any more. Plus, it didn't cost you much.

2. How much did 10.1 cost you? Lemme guess. You got it burned for free at a local store and you removed the OSX check file so it's a full bootable Cd now...it's always the whiners and thieves that bitch about paying money.

I hope they do make it a pay upgrade - it's a 70 quid that I'll gladly shell out. In an ideal world software might be free, but then so would hardware!
 
Look, when you bought the public beta or 10.1 -- that's what you paid for. It's a WYSIWYG arrangement. Apple's been kind enough to upgrade you for free from 10.1 to 10.1.4 and given you iPhoto, the list goes on... You want more?? Well, pay for more!
 
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