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jailbreak on the day iOS 4.3 comes out ?

I'll be honest, don't really know much about Jailbreaking and the development people working on it. I am a big Android guy, and on XDA Developers dot com, you see roots or roms super fast, before they even hit official carriers. Like 2.3 Gingerbread came out before Google even brought it out for the Nexus-S, and it was ported to phones for testing, etc...And then a good working and stable version like a month or less later. And you will have lots of people working on different stuff, all the time.

Curious how does Jailbreaking differ than Android development ? It seems the iPhone jailbreak development is a small group ? Not like the hundreds or thousands programing for Android hacks ? Just seems like the untethered jailbreak for 4.2 is taking long, and not compare, but I will, it is very rare for an Android hacked update take 3 months long. I am just honestly confused as to the hold up on the jailbreak ?
 
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Darthdingo said:
I'll be honest, don't really know much about Jailbreaking and the development people working on it. I am a big Android guy, and on XDA Developers dot com, you see roots or roms super fast, before they even hit official carriers. Like 2.3 Gingerbread came out before Google even brought it out for the Nexus-S, and it was ported to phones for testing, etc...And then a good working and stable version like a month or less later. And you will have lots of people working on different stuff, all the time.

Curious how does Jailbreaking differ than Android development ? It seems the iPhone jailbreak development is a small group ? Not like the hundreds or thousands programing for Android hacks ?
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Yep. A little group(s) of big ego guys.
 
Wowzera said:
Yep. A little group(s) of big ego guys.
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Just curious as to why ? The iPhone has millions and millions of phones out there for people to learn and hack, I would think more phones than Android possibly? Why does Android have a gigantic hacking/programmer development community, and the iPhone just has a few guys doing it ? That seems very strange.
 
Wowzera said:
Yep. But nobody lives of past. We're in the present. We need something and dev-team can't feed us, let's be realistic.

Also, why are you always "in love" with dev-team? lol
We shouldn't be hypocrites.
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I dont live in the past, I just appreciate everyone's work. Dev team, Geo, Saurik etc....
Just because they havent feed your needs for a month or so it doesnt mean we should trash and hate on them like that. That's childish.
 
Darthdingo said:
I'll be honest, don't really know much about Jailbreaking and the development people working on it. I am a big Android guy, and on XDA Developers dot com, you see roots or roms super fast, before they even hit official carriers. Like 2.3 Gingerbread came out before Google even brought it out for the Nexus-S, and it was ported to phones for testing, etc...And then a good working and stable version like a month or less later. And you will have lots of people working on different stuff, all the time.

Curious how does Jailbreaking differ than Android development ? It seems the iPhone jailbreak development is a small group ? Not like the hundreds or thousands programing for Android hacks ? Just seems like the untethered jailbreak for 4.2 is taking long, and not compare, but I will, it is very rare for an Android hacked update take 3 months long. I am just honestly confused as to the hold up on the jailbreak ?
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You can't make such a comparison since they are too different to compare, OS development are way different, Open source vs close source, share libraries vs proprietary APIs. they are just like Apple and Oranges
 
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Fail thread. Started with asking a question that has no answer and turned into this whining and hating on dev-team/chronic.
 
DarkCloud2015 said:
Questionable facts against Dev Team. Facts to support your claim that Chronic Dev Team will deliver?
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Dev-team didn't show us an untethered 4.2.1 jb or even a 4.3 untethered. They just have the recycle things. Chronic dev team showed us something.

Maybe these groups don't release because they want to be in focus for more time, so if they release now other group release some weeks after and the new group will be in focus while the old one will be forgotten.


Applejuiced said:
I dont live in the past, I just appreciate everyone's work. Dev team, Geo, Saurik etc....
Just because they havent feed your needs for a month or so it doesnt mean we should trash and hate on them like that. That's childish.
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I don't hate them, they're just ok. They want to look like the good guys, but they're just selfish.

They won't deliver anything useful to me and to lot of other people.
 
Wowzera said:
I don't hate them, they're just ok. They want to look like the good guys, but they're just selfish.

They won't deliver anything useful to me and to lot of other people.
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So what they DO deliver to the rest of us doesn't count? there is always going to be someone that is left out, there is not possible way to cover 100% of the population, even Apple have left out user with some updates, it is just how software is, that doesn't make them selfish, that is just how it is.
 
maturola said:
You can't make such a comparison since they are too different to compare, OS development are way different, Open source vs close source, share libraries vs proprietary APIs. they are just like Apple and Oranges
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Good points, I keep forgetting the major difference between aOS and iOS, one is open source and data readily available, the other is closed and restricted. So obviously that would take more work to get hacks working on iPhone.

But still, the iPhone has been around since 2007, and I would think in those four years it would have gathered a large hacker community, where as Android has only been popular since 2009, and in just two years, has a huge hacker development crowd. There are thousands of hackers working on Android phones and OS releases. Just surprised iPhone has such a small community for that.
 
Wowzera said:
Dev-team didn't show us an untethered 4.2.1 jb or even a 4.3 untethered. They just have the recycle things. Chronic dev team showed us something.
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Dev Team has released Monte, which, as far as I know, is the only untethered jailbreak for 4.2.1 that has been released to anyone outside those developing said jailbreaks. Chronic previewed, but has not released.


Wowzera said:
Maybe these groups don't release because they want to be in focus for more time, so if they release now other group release some weeks after and the new group will be in focus while the old one will be forgotten.
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I asked for facts, not opinions.
 
maturola said:
So what they DO deliver to the rest of us doesn't count? there is always going to be someone that is left out, there is not possible way to cover 100% of the population, even Apple have left out user with some updates, it is just how software is, that doesn't make them selfish, that is just how it is.
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Yea man, I understand that. But Apple never claimed they have something and say "soon it will be available" and that day never comes. If dev-team never announced that they have untethered jailbreak for 4.2.1 I wouldn't say anything. If the groups say they have the stuff and they give ETA's and never deliver anything, what should I expect from them?


DarkCloud2015 said:
Dev Team has released Monte, which, as far as I know, is the only untethered jailbreak for 4.2.1 that has been released to anyone outside those developing said jailbreaks. Chronic previewed, but has not released.




I asked for facts, not opinions.
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Yeah, good. I am not complaining for what they released but for what they announced and never did. I am not fan of dev-team, chronic-team, geohot or whoever. I just like the things to be clear. Why dev-team didn't come and said: "Ok, we have untethred jb for 4.2.1 but we don't know when we will release, it can takes long time, maybe we will wait for next major OS version".

I would be sad but ok with that... but they come and say "In the xmas everyone will have an untethered jailbreak for most recent iOS." Come on man. Then they don't release in christmas and says: "It will be soon in this year". Now we are in 2011 and they say "someday in first weeks of february". Why would I believe that?

The facts speak by themselves.
 
Wowzera said:
Yea man, I understand that. But Apple never claimed they have something and say "soon it will be available" and that day never comes. If dev-team never announced that they have untethered jailbreak for 4.2.1 I wouldn't say anything. If the groups say they have the stuff and they give ETA's and never deliver anything, what should I expect from them?

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are you for real? so you got a White iPhone? you got 4x iOS on the iPad at release (or in the "summer" as apple originally said?). Please give me a break. The Dev team have always give estimate just to update and let people know what is going on, without giving away too much information, things change and they have to adapt that is the nature of the cat-and-mouse game, otherwise no only the small population (which you are part of it) would suffer but a large population if anyone at all. Every time they said soon and it is not release they explain exactly why it is being hold back, some people agreed with it some other don't at the end regardless of the opinion os any individual that is THEIR code and they can do with it whatever they want, the day I (or You or anyone else) can code a JB or Unlock, that is the day you can release at your own schedule.
 
Darthdingo said:
Good points, I keep forgetting the major difference between aOS and iOS, one is open source and data readily available, the other is closed and restricted. So obviously that would take more work to get hacks working on iPhone.

But still, the iPhone has been around since 2007, and I would think in those four years it would have gathered a large hacker community, where as Android has only been popular since 2009, and in just two years, has a huge hacker development crowd. There are thousands of hackers working on Android phones and OS releases. Just surprised iPhone has such a small community for that.
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iOS is a complete new platform, yes Android is relative new platform but it is build up from Linux and share a lot of it core funtionalities, so developer actually have years and years of experienced on it, as I also said before APIs are a mayor thing, you can write a app for android on any perl for example and build wrapper to run it on android, in iOS you got only one choice Objective-C/Cocoa if you have never use it before you need to start from the ground up and you are limited to the API offer by Apple's SDK.
 
Wowzera said:
They want to look like the good guys, but they're just selfish.
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Setting aside all your other points because I simply don't have the time; this statement is absurd. Who is selfish? The people who spend hundreds of hours of their time developing ways for everyone to get more use out of their phones, or the guy sitting on a forum calling them names because they have trouble keeping release dates?

Honestly, I can't even believe you seriously said this. It is mindblowing that anyone could be so self-entitled.
 
guys, these leechers will never understand what it takes to develop such hacks. they're all just bunch of ungrateful whiners that sits there all day and mope around. the only selfish ones are the ones here talking down on the dev-team, geo, saurik..etc.

just let them be, you cant do anything about it.
 
maturola said:
are you for real? so you got a White iPhone? you got 4x iOS on the iPad at release (or in the "summer" as apple originally said?). Please give me a break. The Dev team have always give estimate just to update and let people know what is going on, without giving away too much information, things change and they have to adapt that is the nature of the cat-and-mouse game, otherwise no only the small population (which you are part of it) would suffer but a large population if anyone at all. Every time they said soon and it is not release they explain exactly why it is being hold back, some people agreed with it some other don't at the end regardless of the opinion os any individual that is THEIR code and they can do with it whatever they want, the day I (or You or anyone else) can code a JB or Unlock, that is the day you can release at your own schedule.
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You always run in the statement of "Do yourself a jb". You can't make me "like" dev-team working way, I've already stated my reasons to let them out of the new jailbreak now, they simple don't have it. Their jailbreak is based into using old SHSH's, if they keep using this big fail method, the percentage of people that can use that will be low and low and low... because Apple updates the iOS and so new phones comes and the actual gets replaced.

I don't expect anything coming from Geohot, so my last hope is chronic dev-team. At least they showed a video and didn't gave an ETA (don't know if the video is fake).

You defend dev-team as if they're your football / soccer / basketball club. Take it easy man. :cool:
 
maturola said:
iOS is a complete new platform, yes Android is relative new platform but it is build up from Linux and share a lot of it core funtionalities, so developer actually have years and years of experienced on it, as I also said before APIs are a mayor thing, you can write a app for android on any perl for example and build wrapper to run it on android, in iOS you got only one choice Objective-C/Cocoa if you have never use it before you need to start from the ground up and you are limited to the API offer by Apple's SDK.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. You paint a clear picture, that Android with Linux base has a decade of experienced developers and can be easy to develop custom roms for. While the iPhone is very strictly closed source, rather difficult and very time consuming to jailbreak.

This begs my next question, we know Apple will never openly allow jailbreaking in iOS5, but they have to know jailbreaking is very popular, and that many iPhone owners like it, and would also lure Android fans over to the iPhone. Why not allow at least the most popular functions of jailbreaking into iOS5 ?

My point is, I am a die hard Android guy, but totally open minded to coming back to Apple for the iPhone 5 this Summer, but I want a jailbreak to allow me to customize my phone to my liking, or at least officially add Widgets and Notifications to iOS5, that would be a good start to bring over a ton of Droid owners. Plus of course a 4" screen
 
I have a feeling they've been holding out on releasing a real untethered jailbreak until iOS 4.3.

In my mind, the main reason they'd do this is because it is the most foreseeable update that will actually incorporate new features.

If they revealed their method for 4.2, there's a good (pretty much 100%) chance that Apple will patch it up for the 4.3 release.

So, hold on to your tits, kiddies. These guys are really, really bright. They outsmart Apple's baseband engineers. Give them a break.
 
lamina said:
I have a feeling they've been holding out on releasing a real untethered jailbreak until iOS 4.3.

In my mind, the main reason they'd do this is because it is the most foreseeable update that will actually incorporate new features.

If they revealed their method for 4.2, there's a good (pretty much 100%) chance that Apple will patch it up for the 4.3 release.

So, hold on to your tits, kiddies. These guys are really, really bright. They outsmart Apple's baseband engineers. Give them a break.
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Chronic dev-team -the team behind Greenpois0n- has just demoed us a good progress on untethering jailbreak iOS 4.2.1 on iPhone 4, which means that we are very near to get the new Greenpois0n RC5 to have an untethered jailbreak for all iOS devices. they have realized that the exploit will not work for 4.3 so it's a green light should be out hopefully this week. but honestly I on the tethered and it's really not that bad. I just cant reboot the phone or turn it off. I can respring all day long.
 
Wowzera said:
Yep. But nobody lives of past. We're in the present. We need something and dev-team can't feed us, let's be realistic.

Also, why are you always "in love" with dev-team? lol
We shouldn't be hypocrites.
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So, who built & released redsn0w? Was that not the Dev Team? If so, the tether jailbreak is working fine for my iPad.

Darthdingo said:
I'll be honest, don't really know much about Jailbreaking and the development people working on it. I am a big Android guy, and on XDA Developers dot com, you see roots or roms super fast, before they even hit official carriers. Like 2.3 Gingerbread came out before Google even brought it out for the Nexus-S, and it was ported to phones for testing, etc...And then a good working and stable version like a month or less later. And you will have lots of people working on different stuff, all the time.

Curious how does Jailbreaking differ than Android development ? It seems the iPhone jailbreak development is a small group ? Not like the hundreds or thousands programing for Android hacks ? Just seems like the untethered jailbreak for 4.2 is taking long, and not compare, but I will, it is very rare for an Android hacked update take 3 months long. I am just honestly confused as to the hold up on the jailbreak ?
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One of the things I have heard about with ROMs & such for Android is that developers seem to be in a hurry to release the app or ROM, and sometimes the quality is sub-par. Most iOS developers try to make sure that the jailbreaks are quality from the moment they are released. For example, if Chronic dev team has shown an untethered JB, then why not just go ahead & release it? They are most likely making sure that it would work 100% from the time that they release it. Plus, right now, Apple is releasing betas of iOS 4.3. as someone said earlier, smething may change from one beta to the next that could make the 4.2 jailbreak also work for 4.3 (if it doesn't work for 4.3 right now). I have used jailbreak methods from iPhone dev team, GeoHot, & probably would use a Chronic dev team jailbreak if it's the only one available. Right now, I have an iPhone on 4.1 using the GeoHot JB Limera1n & my iPad is running redsn0w (iPhone dev team, I think). It goes to show that the community may be small, but the developers want to have quality tools for people to use.
 
Darthdingo said:
Thanks for the detailed explanation. You paint a clear picture, that Android with Linux base has a decade of experienced developers and can be easy to develop custom roms for. While the iPhone is very strictly closed source, rather difficult and very time consuming to jailbreak.

This begs my next question, we know Apple will never openly allow jailbreaking in iOS5, but they have to know jailbreaking is very popular, and that many iPhone owners like it, and would also lure Android fans over to the iPhone. Why not allow at least the most popular functions of jailbreaking into iOS5 ?

My point is, I am a die hard Android guy, but totally open minded to coming back to Apple for the iPhone 5 this Summer, but I want a jailbreak to allow me to customize my phone to my liking, or at least officially add Widgets and Notifications to iOS5, that would be a good start to bring over a ton of Droid owners. Plus of course a 4" screen
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It could happen but just after SJobs is out of Apple, as long as he is still in the top, it is not going to happen. IMO.
 
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