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...and unless they resolved the issue with the way things move in CGI (that whole inertia thing where animated creatures never walk right or land right and whatnot)

If there's one thing Cameron did resolve, it's this.

Avatar is a technical masterpiece with a story the charitable will call "allegorical" and the rest will call "shallow." As allegory it rides a line where it's hard to tell whether Cameron is shining a light on the egotistical superiority of white, western civilization or simply participating in it.

The Na'vi reek of Noble Savage. The moon Pandora is contrived in such a way that all the sorts of things new age hippies say about indigenous cultures and Mother Nature are literally true. Even their religion has a rational basis. It is an interesting but overplayed device. As one of my philosophy professors used to say, the easiest way to lose an argument is to overstate it.

On the other hand, the way people patly conclude that Avatar is a metaphor for Iraq, or Afghanistan, or African colonialism, or the quest for oil, or the military-industrial complex, or any of a number of liberal bogeymen, points to an interesting success, because Avatar speaks of all of those things. It is a movie about a certain ugliness of humanity that transcends particular political trends of any given moment in history. Cameron has captured what we humans are like on our worst days, and what we try not to be on our best.

I think Sully was intended to be the man who walks the middle ground between the terrifying amorality of naked economic interest commanding military power and the detached scientists whose respect is distant, qualified and condescending. Sully instead sees the Na'vi as genuine people. I don't think the movie quite succeeds at this, but it was a noble attempt.

In the end, I both enjoyed Avatar and respect it for doing the one thing good science fiction always does, which is to enable us to see ourselves from the perspective of an outsider. It has strengths and weaknesses, and left me with the odd feeling I was watching the parsimonious screenplay version of a much better science fiction novel I also know doesn't exist. But I sort of wish it did.
 
and unless they resolved the issue with the way things move in CGI (that whole inertia thing where animated creatures never walk right or land right and whatnot) it's just an expensive CGI production piece.

Actually, this was one of the things I have a very good eye for, and they did one of the best jobs I've seen yet as far as the physics are concerned, so props to them on that.

If there's one thing Cameron did resolve, it's this.

Avatar is a technical masterpiece with a story the charitable will call "allegorical" and the rest will call "shallow." As allegory it rides a line where it's hard to tell whether Cameron is shining a light on the egotistical superiority of white, western civilization or simply participating in it.

The Na'vi reek of Noble Savage. The moon Pandora is contrived in such a way that all the sorts of things new age hippies say about indigenous cultures and Mother Nature are literally true. Even their religion has a rational basis. It is an interesting but overplayed device. As one of my philosophy professors used to say, the easiest way to lose an argument is to overstate it.

On the other hand, the way people patly conclude that Avatar is a metaphor for Iraq, or Afghanistan, or African colonialism, or the quest for oil, or the military-industrial complex, or any of a number of liberal bogeymen, points to an interesting success, because Avatar speaks of all of those things. It is a movie about a certain ugliness of humanity that transcends particular political trends of any given moment in history. Cameron has captured what we humans are like on our worst days, and what we try not to be on our best.

I think Sully was intended to be the man who walks the middle ground between the terrifying amorality of naked economic interest commanding military power and the detached scientists whose respect is distant, qualified and condescending. Sully instead sees the Na'vi as genuine people. I don't think the movie quite succeeds at this, but it was a noble attempt.

In the end, I both enjoyed Avatar and respect it for doing the one thing good science fiction always does, which is to enable us to see ourselves from the perspective of an outsider. It has strengths and weaknesses, and left me with the odd feeling I was watching the parsimonious screenplay version of a much better science fiction novel I also know doesn't exist. But I sort of wish it did.

Quoted for truth. If hand't had so much to drink already, I would have said this myself.
 
Actually, this was one of the things I have a very good eye for, and they did one of the best jobs I've seen yet as far as the physics are concerned, so props to them on that.

If there's one thing Cameron did resolve, it's this.

That makes me more inclined to see it; In an animated movie, you can just go with it when the movement is a bit rough (Read: Shrek. Pixar on the other hand can nail this very, very realistically) but when they use CGI in a major film and it comes out like that it makes it very hard to believe and for me, at least, hard to get involved in the plot or with the characters I'm glad to hear they took the time and effort to perfect this part of the CGI.
 
The Last Samurai ring any bells??

I went to see this the other day and it certainly did with me. The plot was all too similar except with fancy blue aliens. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it, some of the effects were outstanding, but so much of it was predictable and to me it just watered down the whole thing.
 
I found the war scene the best part where the CGI effects really shone and showed James Cameron's ability to direct a brilliant and successful movie since Titanic and Terminator 2.
 
The film felt way too long, I spent half the film wondering about rubbish (like why wouldn't Jake say "I'll do this avatar thing but fix my legs on the 5 year trip" etc etc) because the storyline wasn't holding my attention.

Half the time I was thinking that it was just like Ferngully or Pocohontas and how I'd rather watch them again.

And at times the 3D was a pain, so many scenes a bit of someone's ear and the top of someone else's head were popping out at you from the bottom of the screen and distracting you from whatever important chat was happening between the main characters. Very often I found the 3D distracting me from the main focus of a scene and I resented having to fight with a film. Other times the 3D made me abruptly shift focus. I know everyone says Cameron's a genius, but the 3D felt clumsy to me.

I'm fairly sure I could watch that in 2D and not miss anything, especially since the 3D glasses diluted the colours. :(

I'm going to skip the dvd.
 
Half the time I was thinking that it was just like Ferngully or Pocohontas and how I'd rather watch them again

LOL :D I never thought of it like that but I guess you're partly right. Both animated retellings of land-grab disputes.
 
ARRRRRGGGGGHHH! So close.

I really wanted to enjoy this movie, and for the most part I did. Yeah, the plot has been done more than a few times and it got preachy, but whatever. I can turn my brain off and still enjoy it. I even bought the romantic parts. And Cameron's attention to detail is just astonishing. There were times where I was truly transported to another world.

But the dialog was sometimes annoyingly poor, and the humanoid 3D isn't quite to the point where it can share the screen with the real thing. I know it seems petty, but at those times I was transported right back into the theater again. The movie might have been victim to my expectations, though.

At its best, it felt groundbreaking and epic. At its worst, I felt like I was in the middle of a video game for twelve year olds. Nonetheless, it was a fun way to spend a couple of hours and twenty five bucks.
 
i saw it tonight too, it was really good compared to the crap that is out now... I felt the first half was really long. The war scene was awesome and loved the "bio-luminescent plants. I'm not yet certain on how it stacks up to his other classic movies.
 
I just wrote a long 'review' and then trashed it. Sum: I agree with Gelfin and dm2727 although I see far fewer redeeming features. The dialogue - oh my! I was laughing at some of the lines much to the chagrin of my family and other viewers. The funniest bits are the whole scientist vs military speak when the scientists start talking like 16 year old jocks. I was waiting for Sigourney Weaver to spit out her chewing tobacco, but it never happened.
 
I just wrote a long 'review' and then trashed it. Sum: I agree with Gelfin and dm2727 although I see far fewer redeeming features. The dialogue - oh my! I was laughing at some of the lines much to the chagrin of my family and other viewers. The funniest bits are the whole scientist vs military speak when the scientists start talking like 16 year old jocks. I was waiting for Sigourney Weaver to spit out her chewing tobacco, but it never happened.

Dang! I was hoping it was just a gum. :)
 
If there's one thing Cameron did resolve, it's this.

Avatar is a technical masterpiece with a story the charitable will call "allegorical" and the rest will call "shallow." As allegory it rides a line where it's hard to tell whether Cameron is shining a light on the egotistical superiority of white, western civilization or simply participating in it.

The Na'vi reek of Noble Savage. The moon Pandora is contrived in such a way that all the sorts of things new age hippies say about indigenous cultures and Mother Nature are literally true. Even their religion has a rational basis. It is an interesting but overplayed device. As one of my philosophy professors used to say, the easiest way to lose an argument is to overstate it.

On the other hand, the way people patly conclude that Avatar is a metaphor for Iraq, or Afghanistan, or African colonialism, or the quest for oil, or the military-industrial complex, or any of a number of liberal bogeymen, points to an interesting success, because Avatar speaks of all of those things. It is a movie about a certain ugliness of humanity that transcends particular political trends of any given moment in history. Cameron has captured what we humans are like on our worst days, and what we try not to be on our best.

I think Sully was intended to be the man who walks the middle ground between the terrifying amorality of naked economic interest commanding military power and the detached scientists whose respect is distant, qualified and condescending. Sully instead sees the Na'vi as genuine people. I don't think the movie quite succeeds at this, but it was a noble attempt.

In the end, I both enjoyed Avatar and respect it for doing the one thing good science fiction always does, which is to enable us to see ourselves from the perspective of an outsider. It has strengths and weaknesses, and left me with the odd feeling I was watching the parsimonious screenplay version of a much better science fiction novel I also know doesn't exist. But I sort of wish it did.

Wow, well said. I cannot wait to see this movie.
 
I did not expect to like it, but it definitely is worth seeing a few times. The visuals were spectacular!

The only nag I have is it was a little annoying that they reused so many sounds from the Jurassic Park movies. I caught that the second those horse things showed up and it irked me every time they made that velociraptor sound.
 
Saw the movie today and must say I enjoyed it. The story, no matter how cliche, drew me in and I thought the effects were good. It was long, but not so long that I felt like it was dragging. I'd recommend seeing it for the escape and the experience.
 
I did not expect to like it, but it definitely is worth seeing a few times. The visuals were spectacular!

The only nag I have is it was a little annoying that they reused so many sounds from the Jurassic Park movies. I caught that the second those horse things showed up and it irked me every time they made that velociraptor sound.

Still, I agree with you: The visuals were really something else. I'm definitely glad I saw it in the theater and in 3D.
 
As you guy say that the visuals were spectacular, i am gonna to enjoy it lately .
i have no time before.
 
Did anyone else notice the Jurassic Park noises? I just want some confirmation.

And of course there was a Wilhelm scream, but that's a given for a Hollywood movie.
 
After watching it in 3D (there is no other way to enjoy this movie) it saddens me to think that it will be a long while before I'll be able to enjoy the same sensations at home if/when I get the release on BR (yes, I know that the new BR spec has been added, wonder if Cameron pushed them to get that spec out faster?).

For example, the 'epic' parts, like when the massive bomber is first flown into shot, or when their Hometree is destroyed, or just about any wide shot of the Hallelujah Mountains. Wonder how much of that same cinematic experience will be realised at home?
 
Did anyone else notice the Jurassic Park noises? I just want some confirmation.
I must admit the Jurassic Park noises went unnoticed as I was too distracted by the awful script the actors had to contend with… Poor Ms Weaver. ;)

Spectacular visuals? A+

But cripes, the dialogue was even worse than Titanic.

Yes, I know that 12 year old boys is the target, but come on!
 
I must admit the Jurassic Park noises went unnoticed as I was too distracted by the awful script the actors had to contend with… Poor Ms Weaver.
I know! I cringed a few times during the beginning of the movie when they were trying to develop characters.

But seriously, someone has to agree with me about the noises.


EDIT: Aha!
 
Ok so the technical part was THE best. I really loved it. But the story... Same old story... Americans with master technology versus indians with bows and arrows. Americans who only care about profit versus indians who are deeply connected with the mother nature. I think we've seen this story thousands of times. If the story was different i would give this movie 10/10 but now 6/10 only because of the graphics.
 
But seriously, someone has to agree with me about the noises.

Hey, I'm with you on that. I noticed that right away and it took me out of the experience thinking about velociraptors.

I'm surprised they didn't use the "guy falling to his death" sound effect that they used from every Indiana Jones movie to LOTR.
 
Hey, I'm with you on that. I noticed that right away and it took me out of the experience thinking about velociraptors.

I'm surprised they didn't use the "guy falling to his death" sound effect that they used from every Indiana Jones movie to LOTR.
Actually I always listen for that noise in movies and there indeed was one in Avatar. It happens at the part where the marine in crushed by the two boxes of explosives.
 
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