Jamie Lynn Spears expecting child at 16 - wtf.

[balamw]

For all we know they did use birth control. It's not 100%, and some folks is unlucky.

Which is exactly why a sexually active girl who does not want to get pregnant needs to know that a single form of birth control is not enough, especially if it is only a mechanical device like a condom.

Assuming ~95% effectiveness, using a condom properly every time still means that on average 1 in 20 times you have sex will result in a pregnancy.

But if they used three forms of birth control (say the pill plus a condom and spermicide) you can push those odds to 1 in 8000 even assuming inefficient birth control like a condom.

B

 

[Much Ado]

Apparently the lower end of the human spectrum is reproducing more rapidly than the upper end

I don't know about you, but i can only ever reproduce with my lower end.

 

[tobefirst ⚽️]

You noticed the IMO there yes?

The problem with that, dynamicv, is, of course, that "IMO" and "legal" can't really be used together like you've done. Except in dynamicvland, your opinion doesn't much change the law.

 

[imac/cheese]

You noticed the IMO there yes? She's in a relationship and both parents want to bring up the child. There's far worse cases out there. Why penalise this particular young lady?

Besides, can you say for definite which state they conceived the child in? In Mississippi where the Spears family originate the age of sexual consent is 16.

I agree completely. She is old enough to make the decision to have sex and she is old enough to be responsible to raise a child. She has also stated that she would recommend to other that they should wait until they are older to engage in sex. I think she is acting in a responsible manner.

 

[nbs2]

Seeing as a lot of the judgemental comments above are coming from a country who's Government will let people die unless they have the right medical insurance, I find all this morality soap boxing amusing.

So the actions of the government will be imputed to all of the populace? Yes, the government is voted in, but no administration or Congress has ever been voted in unanimously. Any further discussion of this imputation will set one of us down a bad road.

Some ones trying to hard to be like her bigger sister.. And the reason why this is a big deal is because shes not just another teenage mom, shes a huge roll model for all the girls who watch her (terrible) tv show.

Thank you. I don't understand why people think getting angry and pulling out their scarlet letters solves problems... OR that anyone who takes a different approach to NOT enabling the issue is automatically wrong if they don't have a flaming torch in their hand.

While she serves as a roll model, my concern is as a role model.

The concern and issue here isn't just that she is pregnant. It's that she has actively chosen to appear in areas and events where she is portrayed as an example to younger girls. All of her appearances in teen-oriented magazines, her starring in shows on channels targeting a young audience - her choice. She isn't Charles Barkley.

The portrayal of her pregnancy not a tragedy, or something that could have been handled more capably, is a failure. The same carriers of her fame are now seeking to be gentle and caring in her pregnancy. If all pregnant girls faced the same gentility and caring, then maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be so disconcerting. But, they won't and it is.

She could and should have kept her panties on, and perhaps some contrition along with accepting responsibility would have been better. Yes, be happy that you will have a child - my daughter has been my biggest source of pride from day one. But, also acknowledge that it will make things difficult - even if it is just lip service.

Oh, and so much for the law of chastity.

 

[Queso]

The problem with that, dynamicv, is, of course, that "IMO" and "legal" can't really be used together like you've done. Except in dynamicvland, your opinion doesn't much change the law.

Fair point, although I will say dynamicvland is truly a wonderful place thanks entirely to my dictatorial style of government

Can I amend the IMO bit to "in most locations"? The point I was trying to make is that most of Western society (including much of the USA) doesn't see an issue with a 16 year old having sex as long as they're not being completely reckless with it.

BTW, I looked up the exact legal situation in California

PENAL CODE
SECTION 261-269

261.5. (a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the perpetrator, if the person is a minor.

For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person who is at least 18 years of age.

(b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(c) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.
(d) Any person over the age of 21 years who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years.
(e) (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, an adult who engages in an act of sexual intercourse with a minor in violation of this section may be liable for civil penalties in the
following amounts:
(A) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor less than two years younger than the adult is liable for a civil penalty not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000).
(B) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor at least two years younger than the adult is liable for a civil penalty not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000).
(C) An adult who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor at least three years younger than the adult is liable for a civil penalty not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000).
(D) An adult over the age of 21 years who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor under 16 years of age is liable for a civil penalty not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000).
(2) The district attorney may bring actions to recover civil penalties pursuant to this subdivision. From the amounts collected for each case, an amount equal to the costs of pursuing the action shall be deposited with the treasurer of the county in which the
judgment was entered, and the remainder shall be deposited in the Underage Pregnancy Prevention Fund, which is hereby created in the State Treasury. Amounts deposited in the Underage Pregnancy Prevention Fund may be used only for the purpose of preventing
underage pregnancy upon appropriation by the Legislature.

261.6. In prosecutions under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289, in which consent is at issue, "consent" shall be defined to mean positive cooperation in act or attitude pursuant to an exercise of free will. The person must act freely and voluntarily and have knowledge of the nature of the act or transaction involved.
A current or previous dating or marital relationship shall not be sufficient to constitute consent where consent is at issue in a prosecution under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289.
Nothing in this section shall affect the admissibility of evidence or the burden of proof on the issue of consent.

261.7. In prosecutions under Section 261, 262, 286, 288a, or 289, in which consent is at issue, evidence that the victim suggested, requested, or otherwise communicated to the defendant that the defendant use a condom or other birth control device, without additional evidence of consent, is not sufficient to constitute consent.

So it looks as if 19 year old Casey is going to have to pay either $5000 or $10000 if the act itself happened in California, depending on where the couple's respective birthdays are. But it's a misdemeanour not a felony.

 

[tobefirst ⚽️]

Fair point, although I will say dynamicvland is truly a wonderful place thanks entirely to my dictatorial style of government

Is there land available for purchase? What kind of climate does dynamicvland have? How many Apple Stores?

Can I amend the IMO bit to "in most locations"?

Sure, but just this once.

 

[Queso]

Is there land available for purchase? What kind of climate does dynamicvland have? How many Apple Stores?

The climate is just perfect at the moment, but Al Gore reckons it'll get too hot soon so make sure you get air con and a big ass fridge

And beer isn't taxed at all

 

[sowillo14]

You think thats bad, check out this family. Even more fantastic is the case of the 42 year old great grandmother. Or even more screwed up is the case of the 55 year old great great grandmother!!

Wow, what an accomplishment!

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/12/02//news/local/doc47523ffc749ce944955510.txt

 

[Cromulent]

Never understood the anger these things bring up. Medically speaking at 16 - 17 girls / women are at their peak child rearing age. It is only in recent years that opinion has changed so that it is considered young to have a child at 21 - 22. In fact I would say that most women nowadays wait far too long to have children for what ever reason.

Most people in the medical field will agree that the older women are when they have children the greater risk there is for problems. Plus take into account the fact that birth rate in western civilisations is not enough to maintain current populations and in fact average age of countries is in fact going up, it strikes me that perhaps we should be encouraging younger women to get pregnant rather than discouraging it.

Controversial post for the day .

 

[hikeNM]

Plus take into account the fact that birth rate in western civilisations is not enough to maintain current populations and in fact average age of countries is in fact going up, it strikes me that perhaps we should be encouraging younger women to get pregnant rather than discouraging it.

Controversial post for the day .

Populations going down isn't a bad thing IMO.

 

[Daveman Deluxe]

Assuming ~95% effectiveness, using a condom properly every time still means that on average 1 in 20 times you have sex will result in a pregnancy.

This is nit-picking, but that's not what effectiveness rates for birth control mean. A 95% effectiveness rate for a particular method of birth control means that 5% of sexually active women using that method will get pregnant over the span of one year. Most forms of birth control also come with two numbers: one for when the method is used correctly and one for when the method is used incorrectly. Off the top of my head, I think that using a condom with spermicide has a 98% effectiveness rate when used correctly and a 92% effectiveness rate when used incorrectly.

 

[macinfojunkie]

So the actions of the government will be imputed to all of the populace? Yes, the government is voted in, but no administration or Congress has ever been voted in unanimously. Any further discussion of this imputation will set one of us down a bad road.

I'll plead the 5th then, or did you overturned that when you repealed the 1st amendment?

Never understood the anger these things bring up. Medically speaking at 16 - 17 girls / women are at their peak child rearing age. It is only in recent years that opinion has changed so that it is considered young to have a child at 21 - 22. In fact I would say that most women nowadays wait far too long to have children for what ever reason.

Most people in the medical field will agree that the older women are when they have children the greater risk there is for problems. Plus take into account the fact that birth rate in western civilisations is not enough to maintain current populations and in fact average age of countries is in fact going up, it strikes me that perhaps we should be encouraging younger women to get pregnant rather than discouraging it.

Controversial post for the day .

Follwoing on from the above,.....

In a world where human wellbeing took 1st place, then women would be free to choose either way and without being judged. I'm not for one moment saying that a Women's palce is in the home reproducing - (before I get firebombed by the femanists) - but for a young women to choose to have a baby so long as she is able and responsible enough to support that child without becoming a burden on the wider society is not something that we should judge IMO. It seems perfectly acceptable for women to forgo their child rearing years in the interests of "equality" and nobody complains, and nor should they as women rightly have the freedom to do what they wish. But when someone chooses the converese they are chastised.

I wonder if she had anounced she was going to have an abortion if this loony right wing puritanical mentality would be any happier? Or, is the bottom line that they are unhappy because she is stepping off the "$ treadmill" - which lets face it is the real reason that women have been "encouraged" to follow careers - not in interests of equality, family wellbeing, wider society, but the interests of corporate greed, or as it is otherwise described "the economy".

 

[Sun Baked]

At least the entire family can now participate in a 2 hour episode of Jerry Springer.

 

[Cromulent]

Populations going down isn't a bad thing IMO.

Well the economists may disagree, especially seeing as in the short to mid term while it levels out it means an increase in average age.

 

[3nm]

ummm... i didn't know who JLS was...

sad to say but this kind of stuff does happen in HS, tho i think JLS probably did it for publicity.

 

[t0mat0]

Scott Mill's comment

Scott Mill's comment: Spears family would make great Kyle/ Jerry Springer material.

 

[Kamera RAWr]

Well, it'll really all comes down to whether she'll be a good parent or not.

 

[rdowns]

I'm having a hard time why anybody cares that some semi famous 16 year old got knocked up.

 

[Kamera RAWr]

I'm having a hard time why anybody cares that some semi famous 16 year old got knocked up.

I suppose many of us really don't, but its a thread on MR and some of us just love to post

Just as another poster said, this is also the only place I ever read celeb news

 

[Music_Producer]

I'm having a hard time why anybody cares that some semi famous 16 year old got knocked up.

It's because:

1. She's a role model for the kids.. because of that TV show she hosts. (geez.. when I was a kid my role model was Carl Sagan and David Attenborough ) After that Vanessa Hudgens scandal.. obviously parents are concerned with what's happening in kiddie TV land.

2. She's britney's sister. So it's a 'Haha - just like her sis' knee-jerk reaction.

I believe there are far other more serious situations out there.. but obviously, once again, the American public just loves this kind of sh*t. No outrage over the supposedly $550 billion deal for the Iraq war which is going to be passed.. but brit's sister gets pregnant.. holy crap!!!!! It's the end of the world!!

 

[Luis]

And her mother pretends to write a parenting book! Ironic isn't it?

 

[Sun Baked]

And her mother pretends to write a parenting book! Ironic isn't it?

Is this a team effort with Lohan's mother?

 

[Cleverboy]

While she serves as a roll model, my concern is as a role model.

The concern and issue here isn't just that she is pregnant. It's that she has actively chosen to appear in areas and events where she is portrayed as an example to younger girls. All of her appearances in teen-oriented magazines, her starring in shows on channels targeting a young audience - her choice. She isn't Charles Barkley.

The portrayal of her pregnancy not a tragedy, or something that could have been handled more capably, is a failure. The same carriers of her fame are now seeking to be gentle and caring in her pregnancy. If all pregnant girls faced the same gentility and caring, then maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be so disconcerting. But, they won't and it is.

She could and should have kept her panties on, and perhaps some contrition along with accepting responsibility would have been better. Yes, be happy that you will have a child - my daughter has been my biggest source of pride from day one. But, also acknowledge that it will make things difficult - even if it is just lip service.

Oh, and so much for the law of chastity.

You're totally right. I completely agree. Like I said though, I took and take exception to people calling for the girl's sterilization like she's a crack addicted welfare mother, and commenting that she's a lower form of human life. None of that's necessary in order to acknowledge her abject failure and discredit her as a role model in everyway possible. I'm sure all the sane people would agree with that too.

~ CB

 

[nbs2]

I'll plead the 5th then, or did you overturned that when you repealed the 1st amendment?

WTF? Look, start a thread in the PRSI and we can discuss health care and the 1st amendment and the 5th amendment and whatever else you want. But, I'm not going push forum rules to explain why your former comment was tripe and why the latter is bizarre.

You're totally right. I completely agree. Like I said though, I took and take exception to people calling for the girl's sterilization like she's a crack addicted welfare mother, and commenting that she's a lower form of human life. None of that's necessary in order to acknowledge her abject failure and discredit her as a role model in everyway possible. I'm sure all the sane people would agree with that too.

That's good to know. I suppose the issue is one of how frustrated people are. The concern is that by having a child at 16/17, what kind of life is she setting up her child for down the road. As much as we are individuals, upbringing plays a role in our decision-making skills. And, looking at her sister, you have to wonder just how skilled she is. While freedom is essential for our society, you can't help but wonder if some people are begging to have someone make their decisions for them.