The thing that I don't get is why Intel releases the processors.... and then much later the new architecture. Or in other words, releases Penyrn and then releases Nehelam or whatever it was they are releasing early next year. I wish they'd just release both at the same time.
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January 2008 MacBook Pros with Penryn Processors?
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Ok i've seen the two main CAD programs for Mac running pretty damn well on even on older Mac Book Pro's, and Vectorworks runs pretty sweet on a kiddie's Mac Book. Other than batch rendering (which a laptop is never going to have the cooling system to handle) what do see as the issue with current crop of laptops to stop you buying one, if mobility is what you need?
One of the interesting things of the Penryn cycle is that they're also going to be offering a 25W group of chips as well as the 45W group.
What does this mean? I think it means a MacBook Thin. I'm not quite sure but it wouldn't surprise me - if I guessed it would be a 2.0GHz chip, ATI/Nvidia low end mobile (2200/8300-level performance), 60GB HDD or possibly 32GB SSD, and a 12" or 13" screen. Est price about the same as a MBP ($2200 for the HDD, $2500 for the SSD).
The MacBooks will probably get refreshed in March or April or something, the MBPs at or a month before/after the MBT.
Edit:
Did more research, 25W Penryns mobile chips should be available at 2.13,2.4 and 2.53Ghz. If I had to pick one I'd guess 2.4Ghz. Also its not available until Q2 2008 so we may not see it until May 2008.
What does this mean? I think it means a MacBook Thin. I'm not quite sure but it wouldn't surprise me - if I guessed it would be a 2.0GHz chip, ATI/Nvidia low end mobile (2200/8300-level performance), 60GB HDD or possibly 32GB SSD, and a 12" or 13" screen. Est price about the same as a MBP ($2200 for the HDD, $2500 for the SSD).
The MacBooks will probably get refreshed in March or April or something, the MBPs at or a month before/after the MBT.
Edit:
Did more research, 25W Penryns mobile chips should be available at 2.13,2.4 and 2.53Ghz. If I had to pick one I'd guess 2.4Ghz. Also its not available until Q2 2008 so we may not see it until May 2008.
Anyone know if this is going to come with any price boost? I am planning on buying a MacBook Pro after Leopard is released and now this has me wondering if I should wait.
I'm sure the flash hard drives will be in a version of the MacBook Pro. I'd imagine LED displays for the 17" MacBook Pro too.
One wishful thing would dual cameras. One on the lid and one inside the lid (as it is now). It would be neat'o if you could iChat someone and then split screen yourself with video of your surroundings. This would make MacBook users instant reporters. YouTube would get a lot more wannabees though.
Where the heck is everyone geting the idea that a quad-core mobile processor is part of these recent announcements? Mobile processors being released - first with a 4MB L2 cache, then with a 6MB cache, and the "Extreme", which is clearly stated as dual-core for mobile. How about going to the source?
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2xe/index.htm
If anyone has an official quote from Intel saying "quad-core mobile" that applies to Penryn, please let me know. Rumors from "sources at motherboard manufacturers" is not the same.
Penryn is a CPU, Santa Rosa is a chipset. What you should be asking is: "What performance boost is Penryn supposed to give compared to the Core 2 Duos used in the Santa Rosa chipset"
No. Penryn is a CPU, specifically a Core 2 Duo made using 45 nm technology. Santa Rosa is a "platform", and uses the Crestline chipset. When the Penryn eventually gets paired with the Cantiga chipset, the platform will be called "Montevina"
It's called "tick-tock". The "tick" is a shrink of the current architecture. The "tock" is a complete redesign of the architecture. "Tick" happens one year, then "tock" the next. That keeps Intel highly competitive, offering substantial improvements each year. If you consider 2008 as "tick" with Core architecture moving from 65nm to 45nm, 2009 is "tock" with Nehalem on 45nm. Keep in mind, Intel brought a functioning 32nm processor to IDF to show off, which would be the next "tick" (2010). I'd bet that at least the next 5 generations are mapped out and being tested already.
In the 1980's, a complete product refresh every 5 years was considered acceptable, even goundbreaking. Entering the 21st century it had moved to every 2 years. Expect the pace to continue to pick up. Also expect that anything you buy today will be at least 3 generations behind by the time your Apple Care warranty expires.
To buy in October or to buy in January, that is the question. It's a toughy.
Also, why do people keep whining on about a magnetic latch on the MBP - how the hell would that work then? It's a metal case!
I doubt they will significantly change the MBP's winning design - it hasn't changed since Powerbook days, why now.
Also, why do people keep whining on about a magnetic latch on the MBP - how the hell would that work then? It's a metal case!
I doubt they will significantly change the MBP's winning design - it hasn't changed since Powerbook days, why now.
It hasn't been about the gigahertz for a long time.
This time we're getting bigger caches, lower power, SSE4 and slightly higher clock rate.
when we get a faster processor that consumes less energy, it's good enough for me.
(and btw, there will be quad core extreme version, which we might see in iMac - at least according to wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_microarchitecture#Laptops_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Penryn
duh, my bad. i was wrong about the mobile quad.
but there has been a lot rumors and "news" about quad-core extreme mobile processor.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/06/intel_schedules_quad_mobiles/
but there has been a lot rumors and "news" about quad-core extreme mobile processor.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/06/intel_schedules_quad_mobiles/
Enough with the laptops!
Apple has updated their Macbooks TWICE, their Macbook Pros TWICE, and their iMacs TWICE since they last updated their Mac Pros in August of 2006 (that 8-core Mac Pro was not a true upgrade). When are we going to see new Mac Pros?!
Just though I'd ask. Sorry about the yelling
Apple has updated their Macbooks TWICE, their Macbook Pros TWICE, and their iMacs TWICE since they last updated their Mac Pros in August of 2006 (that 8-core Mac Pro was not a true upgrade). When are we going to see new Mac Pros?!
Just though I'd ask. Sorry about the yelling
Why?
What would you like them to update. Go for a faster FSB? They are at the fastest. Go for a processor upgrade? Easy, will happen when Intel release them. Exactly what would you like to see?
As for graphics on a MBP. You want to know what difference a proper professional OpenGL card compared to a gamer card? The difference is rendering power and not really shader performance. The game GPUs are designed to handle shader programming. NVidia and ATi haven't moved past the limit of 300 million triangles since 2003. The NVidia Quadro cores on the other hand can process more than 1000 million triangles with no slowdown. It is why they are used by professionals, e.g. car designers, product designers. These guys don't care about sub-surface scattering to make the paint job on the car they produce look realistic.
What would you like them to update. Go for a faster FSB? They are at the fastest. Go for a processor upgrade? Easy, will happen when Intel release them. Exactly what would you like to see?
As for graphics on a MBP. You want to know what difference a proper professional OpenGL card compared to a gamer card? The difference is rendering power and not really shader performance. The game GPUs are designed to handle shader programming. NVidia and ATi haven't moved past the limit of 300 million triangles since 2003. The NVidia Quadro cores on the other hand can process more than 1000 million triangles with no slowdown. It is why they are used by professionals, e.g. car designers, product designers. These guys don't care about sub-surface scattering to make the paint job on the car they produce look realistic.
Processor update + more form factors
I would kill for a 14'' MB Pro with 1440x900 resolution....
I would kill for a 14'' MB Pro with 1440x900 resolution....
Would these rumored Macbook Pros really be that much faster than the current ones? I'm trying to find reasons to continue with a purchase before January.
The MBPs in January will have a major case overhaul!!!!
I am certain, 9to5mac had a little clause at the end of when their summary of the ipod event on sept 5 that said MBPs in january. And i really dont think they would put it there unless there was a big update, not jsut a the Penyrn upgrade that EVERYONE KNOWS IS GOING TO HAPPEN!
anyways, thats my 2 cents
I am certain, 9to5mac had a little clause at the end of when their summary of the ipod event on sept 5 that said MBPs in january. And i really dont think they would put it there unless there was a big update, not jsut a the Penyrn upgrade that EVERYONE KNOWS IS GOING TO HAPPEN!
anyways, thats my 2 cents
Penryn chips would definitely make the rumored "12" macbook a more reliable possibility because of the 45 nanometer process, Shrink shrink shrink!! Cool cool cool!!! Er, in terms of better heat dissipation I mean...
so i hope for a 15" high end macbook pro with 2.8GHz or for a full featured 13" small MBP with 2.2-2.4 GHz.
i don't care so much about santa rosa or nehalem because the minor FSB improvements won't give you more than 5% performance increase. solid state HD's are more important to me. they reduce heat, improve battery life and are faster. the GPU will be superfast anyway for the non gamers.
next january will be interesting for notebook buyers.
i don't care so much about santa rosa or nehalem because the minor FSB improvements won't give you more than 5% performance increase. solid state HD's are more important to me. they reduce heat, improve battery life and are faster. the GPU will be superfast anyway for the non gamers.
next january will be interesting for notebook buyers.