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In this case, the government should since Apple doesn't allow app makers to talk about or mention the commission anywhere in their apps or documentation. Perhaps the consumer would think differently if the knew? If you don't follow tech, you likely have no idea.

Maybe the consumer wouldn't care, but Apple thinks they would, hence the active blocking mention of the amount they take.
This argument doesn't follow. First, Apple is not an outlier in the fees they charge, these are industry standards.

Second, I have no idea of the fees/profits made on most products I buy. I determine if the price offers me value, and make a decision.
 
Sad to see the fragmentation of the store experience continue.
For most it will not fragment as they would never consider going outside of it. I don't know of a single user who would as their focus is social media and it is free to use even though you are being traded for profit.
 
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Perhaps the consumer would think differently if the knew. If you don't follow tech, you likely have no idea. Maybe the consumer wouldn't care, but Apple thinks they would, hence the active blocking mention of the amount they take.
Do you know what Amazon's terms are for ebooks? 30% on ebooks priced between $2.99 and $9.99. 65% on ebooks at any other price level. Now consider that ebooks are largely a stagnant technology that hasn't changed much in the past 15 years and compare that to smartphones and their apps.
 
I can't believe people keep parroting this...

What happens when an app you already own decides to join the Epic, Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, Steam, etc store via an exclusive distribution agreement? Exclusive agreement meaning they will remove their app from the Apple store.

I will tell you... you will be forced to either abandon an app you already paid for or you will be forced to join another store. Soon users will an an app store account for all of the above which is yet another way for them to hoover your data.
It's not parroting...it's common sense. Your doomsday scenarios you hypothesize are merely FUD to scare people. I don't care what store I got it from, it's the app and the company I trust. The store is irrelevant.
 
No. That's simply not true. For example, there are 3rd party apps that become defacto required...take WhatsApp for example. Where I live it is a mandatory app for doing business. But when Meta decides to deliver their app outside the Apple App store, they are going to bypass Apple's strict standards on data collection. And I will be forced to use their app due to it being required for me to do business.

This idea that there's no harm being done here is a manufactured talking point.

Where has Meta taken WhatsApp off the app store and required sideloading? Have they done that on Android, where they can deploy a separate app marketplace today if they wanted to? Again, you are spreading FUD. Goodbye.
 
It's not parroting...it's common sense. Your doomsday scenarios you hypothesize are merely FUD to scare people. I don't care what store I got it from, it's the app and the company I trust. The store is irrelevant.
It may be irrelevant to YOU. It's not irrelevant to me. Apple sets certain standards in tracking and data collection. When Meta and Google are forced by Apple to follow those standards (and a million other companies) that has a real impact on the safety, security and privacy that I prefer. But when Meta can just bypass those standards to to governmental interference in the market, all bets are off. And I can't simply not download WhatsApp; it's a requirement for me to do business where I live.

This is not just FUD. These are valid reasons that many of us chose the Apple ecosystem. You can certainly think these reasons are invalid for you, but not for me.
 
Where has Meta taken WhatsApp off the app store and required sideloading? Have they done that on Android, where they can deploy a separate app marketplace today if they wanted to? Again, you are spreading FUD. Goodbye.
So far, META can't simply do that because IOS remains for the majority of the world a walled garden. But what you're advocating for is a global destruction of that walled garden. When the balance shifts enough, Meta and Google will certainly choose to move outside the IOS app store.
 
The store is a middleman between me and the app I'm using.

The hardware and OS is useless without applications.
Correction: the hardware and OS is useless without paying customers. App developers want to develop for platforms that are popular with consumers and sell software consistently. Which mobile platform has customers that are more likely to spend money on apps? iPhone/iOS.
 
"we remain concerned about how the law will impact Japanese consumers".

Yeah, right you are Apple, it has nothing to do with financial interest on your part.
I am wholly aware that Apple is a for-profit corporation. I have chosen to support their business model because I feel they offer me the best alternative to balance my needs for privacy and security. I want them to make money, because they are offering me a service I prefer. "Consumers" are those who are making choices in the market; Apple's customers have chosen the Apple Ecosystem. I, for one, choose it because of the benefits of Apple's approach.
 
Apple doesn't need to make an argument; it's their choice how they want to build and maintain their business. And we consumers get to choose to support that or not. As it turns out, a large number of consumers in this era of concern over privacy and security are choosing Apple's walled garden, integrated eco-system approach.

Which makes it highly difficult for inquisitors government employed “counterterrorism” professionals to worm their way into everyone’s devices. You know, “for the children.”
 
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Another thread filling with a bunch of security nonsense. Once again, I'll point out 2 simple facts:

1. Mac has always supported third party stores/transactions. Chances are very good that those writing "company store" lines about how terrible this is from a security perspective probably have at least one app- if not more- on their own Macs they've purchased and installed from third parties. If so, they already know how absolutely devastating that freedom of choice is vs. only being able to get Mac apps from ONE store run by the richest company on Earth.

And with iCloud synching keychains- and thus passwords- the risk of evil entities exploiting the apparent massive security hole in Mac having more than one store means the great wave of crime & devastation would have been obliterating us Mac people the entire time there's been Macs. Where is all that trouble? Crime? Account emptying? Death of firstborn? Plague & pestilence? 4 Horsemen galloping?

2. The EU experiment is now 3.5 months in play... that is, the law went into effect well over 3 months ago. How much devastation from all this insanity have we seen from our EU friends and in the media? Has there been ONE story of somebody's accounts being drained by the evil crime syndicates? Has there been one story of a trojan or virus or ransomware specifically getting at iDevices because of the EU law?

How much time needs to pass with no rampant incidences before "we" realize that that was a bunch of business spin focused on protecting an easy cash cow... like the absolutely certain disaster EU "forcing" iPhones to adopt USB-C was going to be roughly a year before. I still have pocket lint in my pockets. I haven't even seen one story of broken USB-C tongues, nor kiosks popping up everywhere to repair millions and millions of now wobbly and damaged ports. Where is all of THAT promised disaster which has had much more time to show itself?

Once upon a time, there was a young sheep herder who- to cut a story we all know short- got kicks out of crying "Wolf! Wolf!" to make the villagers come running to save the flock from a wolf that wasn't there. For him, it was not about protecting profitability but for simply a good laugh. Do we all remember what happens? No?

Eventually, when the wolf actually shows up, he cries the same old, tired warning again and nobody comes.

  • EU law "forcing" USB-C adoption would be certain disaster for all iPhone users! Nope
  • EU law "forcing" competition for app transactions (exactly like it's been for Mac users all our lives) would be certain security disasters! Nope (more then 3 months on now)
  • Japan law doing the same will be a disaster for Japan: TBD, but this villager saw through this spin from the beginning (I've owned an "open" apps Mac for well over 20 years), so I except there to be no Japan wolf either. Maybe Securezilla vs. Ghidarah: the 3-headed crime syndicate? ;)
Wake up friends. As time passes, the security spin shows itself to only be spin more and more and more. I know some of us write whatever we think is best for the Corp but time is rapidly proving that there is no wolf here. iDevice security can be at least as good as Mac security and Macs have no rampant disasters from the very same flexibility to get apps from various sources and enjoy competitive benefits therein.

And congratulations to our EU and now Japanese friends on gaining much greater "capitalism" freedoms of choice in where they get their apps and competition to pressure prices DOWN on those apps. In the "land of the free," I can only admire your greater freedoms. Enjoy them!

We Americans will eventually wake up and realize that in our system of capitalism, our part- as consumers- is to prioritize consumers over corporations, buyers over sellers... and thus competition in all things is almost always better for us than one lone company store... which in all of history has never worked well for the buyer (consumer) side of the bargain. One store: sky high pricing, "our way or the highway" and "we will choose what you can and cannot have on your devices" policies. Competition entering the space: prices start being driven down and if you don't like some stores tight grip on something, you can readily take your business elsewhere.
 
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We already know from the European experience that all the fear mongers were wrong and it turned out great… why are people STILL pretending this is a bad thing. Hopefully more countries to follow!

What European experience? The alternative stores have been live for a single week, so saying it “turned out great” is a ridiculing stretch. Europe also brought the world thalidomide with big early claims of it being awesome and that ended poorly.
 


New legislation in Japan requires Apple to allow third-party app stores and payment providers on the iPhone.

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The Japanese parliament has passed the Act on Promotion of Competition for Specified Smartphone Software, a law that compels Apple to allow access to third-party app stores and payment providers on devices that run iOS. The legislation, which was passed by Japan's upper house and will be enforced following Cabinet approval within the next eighteen months, seeks to curb the dominance of major tech firms like Apple in the smartphone market.

The law requires Apple to make several significant changes to its business practices. The company will have to permit third-party app stores on its devices, just like it does in the EU. App developers will be allowed to use third-party payment services. There are also provisions to allow users to change default settings via new choice screens during setup, such as for selecting a default browser.

Apple will be forbidden from giving its own services preferential treatment in search results without a justifiable reason. The law also prohibits the use of data acquired about competing software to benefit its own apps. Additionally, the law requires that third-party developers have access to the same features as Apple's own apps and services, such as NFC for contactless payments.

Failure to comply with these new regulations could lead to fines amounting to 20 percent of relevant turnover, with the figure increasing to 30 percent for repeat offenses. In a statement to The Verge, Apple said:

The law is expected to be fully implemented by the end of 2025. Epic Games has already announced plans to bring Fortnite and its game store platform to iOS in Japan by late 2025.

Japan's move follows a trend of international legislative efforts aimed at regulating the dominance of major tech companies. The European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) and the UK's Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Bill are similar initiatives designed to foster competition and prevent monopolistic practices. Various antitrust cases in the United States are also targeting similar issues.

Article Link: Japan Passes Law to Allow Third-Party App Stores on the iPhone
The newest M series device are more than powerful enough to run these 3rd party apps in a sandbox.

The next iPhone should have an M series chip. If not then what is Apple doing.
 
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