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Java 1.4.2 Update 2 Now Available

wrldwzrd89 said:
Just as I thought...Java 1.5 WILL appear when Tiger is released.
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I was just getting ready to bring this point up...

Java doesn't really excite me, but I know for you webmaster and such, it does. Good update.
 
Can I interest you in a second hand car, one lady owner

broken_keyboard said:
There is a Java 1.5 beta for Tiger. Apple is pretty good at keeping up with the Java versions...
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Nooooo, Apple is very, very bad "at keeping up with the Java versions"

[NB - that's 'bad' as in 'not good in any way shape or form']
 
broken_keyboard said:
There is a Java 1.5 beta for Tiger. Apple is pretty good at keeping up with the Java versions...
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Pretty good? Poor more like - it was ages until Apple released Java 1.4 and the same goes for Java 1.4.2.. we had to wait much longer than other OSes did.

Perhaps Apple can redeem themselves with Java 1.5
 
jet3004 said:
Dang....Everytime I see there is an update, I pray that it is that iPod mini one talked about a few weeks ago...
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I've been waiting for that one too, and judging by how long it has been since the rumor I'm not sure we will see it. You would think there would be a mini update on or before MWSF '05 (just judging by the general scheme of iPod updates) and I guess they will probably keep any update exclusive to new minis as a selling point.
 
This question is getting old, but does this one fix the freezes and kernel panics that heavy Java networking (ie Azureus and kin) causes?

I keep hoping, and "application stability" sounds good, but I'm not holding my breath.

Even if it's not a really common problem, you'd think a fully repeatable crashing bug would be something Apple would work a bit harder at getting fixed.
 
Stella said:
Pretty good? Poor more like - it was ages until Apple released Java 1.4 and the same goes for Java 1.4.2.. we had to wait much longer than other OSes did.

Perhaps Apple can redeem themselves with Java 1.5
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It took longer for version 1.4 because they re-wrote the JVM from the ground up to be more easily upgraded with Sun's releases. They have indeed proven themselves with quicker updates, even though the Java headlines almost always focus on x86.

We have to wait for Java releases for two reasons: Sun doesn't want to devote resources to Mac OS X (they have to have constantly fix the Solaris version) and Apple doesn't want to be open about certain information.
 
Installed, rebooted, no problems. You know, I always find it funny when people are so cautious to install updates. I know there have been a few bad ones, but those usually get pulled right after they are put up. I say wait a few hours, say 6-8, and then download. You shouldn't have any problems.

I think I just opened up the floodgates for stories about updates gone wrong...
 
Just got done with no problems. :D
Everyone is complaining about the last update being bad but it didn't take that long to get the fix fixed.. :p
 
Dave_B said:
Nooooo, Apple is very, very bad "at keeping up with the Java versions"

[NB - that's 'bad' as in 'not good in any way shape or form']
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Here, here. It looks like apple is trying to obsolete themselve in schools. Many university computer science programming courses use Java now, and many professors like to include Java 1.5 material. It makes sense that students today can study the platform of they'll be using when they graduate. However, if Apple waits till Tiger is released next summer for Java 1.5, I'm going to have to sell my PowerBook just so I can take the class I want to take next semester which will require on Java 1.5.

Either that or I'll have to put Debian or Mandrake on my PowerBook, which really defeats the purpose of having a powerbook. Heck can Java 1.5 even run on Linux/PPC? Anyone know?
 
phasornc said:
Here, here. It looks like apple is trying to obsolete themselve in schools. Many university computer science programming courses use Java now, and many professors like to include Java 1.5 material. It makes sense that students today can study the platform of they'll be using when they graduate. However, if Apple waits till Tiger is released next summer for Java 1.5, I'm going to have to sell my PowerBook just so I can take the class I want to take next semester which will require on Java 1.5.

Either that or I'll have to put Debian or Mandrake on my PowerBook, which really defeats the purpose of having a powerbook. Heck can Java 1.5 even run on Linux/PPC? Anyone know?
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How many are many? I think you overestimate the proliferation of something that's only at release candidate status right now. If instructors are using JDK/JVM version 1.5 as a live release right now, they're further away from reality than they should be. There is no way to guarantee the output from a beta release and it certainly should not be used for instructional use.
 
bousozoku said:
How many are many? I think you overestimate the proliferation of something that's only at release candidate status right now. If instructors are using JDK/JVM version 1.5 as a live release right now, they're further away from reality than they should be. There is no way to guarantee the output from a beta release and it certainly should not be used for instructional use.
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On the contrary, the new features of Java 1.5 have been finalized for quite a while. Schools are the perfect place to test new releases, since the consequences of bugs are very small. The main advantage is that students can be trained on cutting edge features, many of which will be considered mainstream by the time they enter the job market. I mean why did MS release beta's of the .Net platform way ahead of it's release? To get developers using it. It's just a shame that Apple has no (legitimate) way for student developers to use Java 1.5.
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
Just as I thought...Java 1.5 WILL appear when Tiger is released.
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Has anyone seen anything to indicate whether Safari 2.0 will be a free upgrade for Panther or a Tiger-only application? Java 1.5 would be nice to have even without upgrading to Tiger. (My guess is that it will be Tiger-only.)
 
Yay, wish I had had some java in my 9am class today!

Installed & rebooted without a problem & noticed my Fotki.com photo upload applet was a bit snappier than usual. Way to go lab guys!
 
phasornc said:
On the contrary, the new features of Java 1.5 have been finalized for quite a while. Schools are the perfect place to test new releases, since the consequences of bugs are very small. The main advantage is that students can be trained on cutting edge features, many of which will be considered mainstream by the time they enter the job market. I mean why did MS release beta's of the .Net platform way ahead of it's release? To get developers using it. It's just a shame that Apple has no (legitimate) way for student developers to use Java 1.5.
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The features have been finalised but the bugs have not been, and won't be for quite a while, even after the final release.

The consequences of bugs are very small? You've been in development how long? Can you say lost space probes and exploding rockets? They could be less significant at a school but not insignificant. If your application doesn't work properly even though the code is fine, what grade do you get?
 
Yay!

Safari no longer crashes for me when I visit Intellicast. When Ivan was headed to New Orleans last week I kept having to fire up Firefox just to visit this one web site. Intellicast was crashing Safarai for me every time until today.

And even before today, I was suspecting it was either Java or Flash since the site would start to work, but only after Safari started firing up some dorky Ads (flash) and Apps (Java) would the crash occur.
 
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